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Replying To royaldunne:  "Shows the passion of all the players. Actually didn't expect Meath to win last night, hope obviously, but I think most would have expected us to be competitive, and I said this previously to game. A drawn match with so many missed chances is good performance for the way we were playing, iron out those missed chances and let me tell you we will be a difficult team to beat. Also a settled team. The passion and playing on the edge is something that has been missing from Meath players for a long time. The days of just showing up are over, we here to compete and with fire , determination and aggression at every level."
Ok royaldunne

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13014 - 13/01/2019 13:59:25    2156853

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Replying To waynoI:  "great nights entertainment.

that youngfella Stephen Smith is going to be a star."
He is about the same size as a mascot though, not sure he will thrive in today's power game.
Jack Hazley will be the guy for the future. Ideal for the mark rules.

gormdubhgorm (Dublin) - Posts: 956 - 13/01/2019 14:20:25    2156856

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Did McEntee think he was still playing kept invading the pitch. Was in the middle of the pitch at times!
Ref did nothing to stop him.

gormdubhgorm (Dublin) - Posts: 956 - 13/01/2019 14:22:33    2156857

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I agree with Wayneo in terms of managers roaring abuse at officials and generally losing the run of themselves. You'd wonder how clearly they're thinking at times. Also when you see management teams roaring away on the sideline their teams tend to show the same lack of discipline.

It can be hard to develop that discipline to be fair even if the management are calm on the line, Dublin, circa 13-15, had a problem with this in that they were often remonstrating with the ref, losing frees or having frees moved forward etc. So even if management is calm it can still be a battle to keep discipline but at least the manager is calm enough to see all that's going on.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 12167 - 13/01/2019 14:41:36    2156860

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Replying To waynoI:  "I'm passionate

Won't see me running into the field of play though, just cause you're a manager doesn't mean it's okay.."
JG isn't showing enough "passion" according to some. Someone should have a word with Jim.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 1838 - 13/01/2019 15:24:07    2156866

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Replying To waynoI:  "Ok royaldunne"
Ahh wayno? trust me my old pal the Andy going onto pitch isn't going to get traction no matter what anyone says on lmfm (I'll say no more pal)

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 14095 - 13/01/2019 15:33:31    2156870

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Nice stretch of the legs, last night for the young Dublin hopefulls and a nice stepping stone toward what the league squad maybe.

I've tipped Smith, Gavin and Lynch for a potential breakthrough this year, have seen nothing to change my mind so far. Smith reminds of a young Bernard and will kick on, skills to burn. Lynch equally lad is a scorer with that touch of quality will kick on as well. Gavin has some engine and some running game, perpetual motion, has something to offer the panel.

Notable mentions last night for McDaid, showed a very good engine last night, up and down the pitch and led by example, all qualities required for the Dublin panel. The younger Basquel can be pleased with his performence and his points return. Hazley looks some beast of a man and causees chaos, they are always useful to have, especially if the forward mark is going to be a thing. Thought Mchahon and Smith looked assured and composed at the back.

Felt a bit sorry for McEntee last night, looked a man under pressure to deliver something tangible this year and it showed he was all over the place, by that I mean running onto the pitch and loosing it all over the show, that said I'd have a soft spot for him for his work at Ballyboden.

The new rules were interesting, don't think they will be a problem for Dublin given last nights showing, lads barely blinked and ate them up. The hand pass won't stick, silly rule. The forward mark and kick out rules seem a bit irrelevant for me, very little impact overall. I was impressed with the sin bin, itdefinitely penalises a team and looks a usfull deterrent, I could see some enterprising managers though using it to their advantage.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 1931 - 13/01/2019 16:44:29    2156888

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Very entertaining game. Hand pass rule is a joke. You could hear players shouting at each other to kick. If they're all spending time concentrating on counting hand passes then that has to be distracting. Great point taking from both teams. Expected more from Gavin in midfield. I think he's one to watch but Menton lorded it in the middle last night. Smith reminds me of a young Jayo, low centre of gravity, can turn on a six pence but his size means that he can be tied up easily if he ponders on the ball. Meath sussed this in the second half and smothered him. Lost count of the amount of high tackles last night, from both sides. For a while it looked like Kelly only packed yellow cards with him. Overall a tenner well spent.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 3331 - 13/01/2019 18:10:25    2156909

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Replying To Joxer:  "Very entertaining game. Hand pass rule is a joke. You could hear players shouting at each other to kick. If they're all spending time concentrating on counting hand passes then that has to be distracting. Great point taking from both teams. Expected more from Gavin in midfield. I think he's one to watch but Menton lorded it in the middle last night. Smith reminds me of a young Jayo, low centre of gravity, can turn on a six pence but his size means that he can be tied up easily if he ponders on the ball. Meath sussed this in the second half and smothered him. Lost count of the amount of high tackles last night, from both sides. For a while it looked like Kelly only packed yellow cards with him. Overall a tenner well spent."
Yeah got to say it was great value for money. Despite result I really enjoyed the game

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 14095 - 13/01/2019 19:02:51    2156922

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Very entertaining game especially at this time of year. Both teams with plenty to work on and especially pleasing that some of these young Dubs will get another chance to impress next Friday v Westmeath. I've bene very impressed with Smith and McDaid from what I've seen of them and I'd also potentially include Ryan Basquel who definitely has an eye for goal. The Username mentioned above about the "younger" Basquel.. he's actually about 4 years older than his brother Collie who has been involved the past couple of seasons so I would say he's at a make or break stage now regarding his intercounty career. Looking forward to seeing more of them on Friday night and fingers crossed for another positive result.

TrueBlue35 (Dublin) - Posts: 41 - 14/01/2019 12:57:53    2157044

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Replying To TrueBlue35:  "Very entertaining game especially at this time of year. Both teams with plenty to work on and especially pleasing that some of these young Dubs will get another chance to impress next Friday v Westmeath. I've bene very impressed with Smith and McDaid from what I've seen of them and I'd also potentially include Ryan Basquel who definitely has an eye for goal. The Username mentioned above about the "younger" Basquel.. he's actually about 4 years older than his brother Collie who has been involved the past couple of seasons so I would say he's at a make or break stage now regarding his intercounty career. Looking forward to seeing more of them on Friday night and fingers crossed for another positive result."
Ah hes older is he, i remember they both played for Ballyboden and presumed he was the younger one, apologies.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 1931 - 14/01/2019 13:07:24    2157046

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A couple of points.

I have read articles describing this was Dublin third team. Which is correct. But the fact is Meath had allot of inexperienced players. The truth is the game was between an inexperienced Dublin team v inexperienced Meath team. Yes Meath did have more first team players but Meath had a serious amount of debutants.



1 6 players started the game for Meath that have never played a single second for Meath seniors in the league or championship ever eg Barry Dardis Ronan Ryan Niall Kane Niall Hickey Danny Quinn Daragh Campion. While 3 players came of the bench who have never played a single second for Meath seniors in the league or championship before. So basically Meath on Saturday had in total nearly 9 debutants who played v Dublin who have never played a competitive for Meath before.

If look at those Meath inexperienced players, 7 to 8 of those 9 players who played for Meath on Saturday were only being brought onto Meath panel for the first time ever in last few weeks.

1 Barry Dardis started in goals. He has never played a single game or second for Meath in league or championship. He was on the league panel last year as a forward but did not play. He has come into the panel as goalie for first time ever recently.

2 Ronan Ryan played corner back. Ryan has never played for Meath seniors in league or championship before. He joined the Meath panel for the first time ever a few weeks ago.

3 Niall Kane played wing back. Kane has never played a league or championship game for Meath before. Again this is his first time ever on a Meath panel.

4 Niall Hickey played wing forward and also has never played a game for Meath before in league or championship before. This is also his first time in the last weeks he has been called up to the Meath panel.

5 Danny Quinn played wing forward and also has never played league or championship for Meath before. This is his first time on the Meath panel in last few weeks.

6 Daragh Campion started at corner forward and has never played a single second game for Meath in championship or league before. Also this is his first year ever on the Meath panel.

7 James Conlon scored a point. He has never played a single second of a game for Meath in league and championship , again only recently drafted onto the Meath panel

8 And Gavin Mcoy and Marcus Brennan have also never played for Meath seniors in league or championship.

So in anyone books 9 players who have never played a competitive game ( league or championship game ) play for a county team , that team would be considered an inexperienced team. Yes Meath had more first team starters. But basically 9 debutants is not players with huge inter county experience.

So in summary we can say that the facts are on Saturday an inexperienced Dublin team played an inexperienced Meath team . That is a fact. Yet not one article or report of the match reported this. It reported Dublins inexperienced players. But failed to mention Meaths inexperienced 9 players that played on Saturday.

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 566 - 14/01/2019 20:20:26    2157129

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Replying To Furlong1949:  "A couple of points.

I have read articles describing this was Dublin third team. Which is correct. But the fact is Meath had allot of inexperienced players. The truth is the game was between an inexperienced Dublin team v inexperienced Meath team. Yes Meath did have more first team players but Meath had a serious amount of debutants.



1 6 players started the game for Meath that have never played a single second for Meath seniors in the league or championship ever eg Barry Dardis Ronan Ryan Niall Kane Niall Hickey Danny Quinn Daragh Campion. While 3 players came of the bench who have never played a single second for Meath seniors in the league or championship before. So basically Meath on Saturday had in total nearly 9 debutants who played v Dublin who have never played a competitive for Meath before.

If look at those Meath inexperienced players, 7 to 8 of those 9 players who played for Meath on Saturday were only being brought onto Meath panel for the first time ever in last few weeks.

1 Barry Dardis started in goals. He has never played a single game or second for Meath in league or championship. He was on the league panel last year as a forward but did not play. He has come into the panel as goalie for first time ever recently.

2 Ronan Ryan played corner back. Ryan has never played for Meath seniors in league or championship before. He joined the Meath panel for the first time ever a few weeks ago.

3 Niall Kane played wing back. Kane has never played a league or championship game for Meath before. Again this is his first time ever on a Meath panel.

4 Niall Hickey played wing forward and also has never played a game for Meath before in league or championship before. This is also his first time in the last weeks he has been called up to the Meath panel.

5 Danny Quinn played wing forward and also has never played league or championship for Meath before. This is his first time on the Meath panel in last few weeks.

6 Daragh Campion started at corner forward and has never played a single second game for Meath in championship or league before. Also this is his first year ever on the Meath panel.

7 James Conlon scored a point. He has never played a single second of a game for Meath in league and championship , again only recently drafted onto the Meath panel

8 And Gavin Mcoy and Marcus Brennan have also never played for Meath seniors in league or championship.

So in anyone books 9 players who have never played a competitive game ( league or championship game ) play for a county team , that team would be considered an inexperienced team. Yes Meath had more first team starters. But basically 9 debutants is not players with huge inter county experience.

So in summary we can say that the facts are on Saturday an inexperienced Dublin team played an inexperienced Meath team . That is a fact. Yet not one article or report of the match reported this. It reported Dublins inexperienced players. But failed to mention Meaths inexperienced 9 players that played on Saturday."
God I missed you furlong. Happy new year to you. And always great to read your factual and insightful facts on all things football. Well done.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 14095 - 14/01/2019 20:31:54    2157131

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People will ask why 9 new players played for Meath on Saturday in McEntees third year. Well this is life in div 2 3 and 4. A handful of sucessful counties retain players each year like Dublin Monaghan Tyrone. But counties in div 2 3 and 4 there is a player drain. The best way to explain this is with a few facts and stats.

1 In 2017 17 players who played in the championship for Derry failed to return to play for Derry in 2018 league. In 2017 16 players who played in championship for Cork did not return to the Cork panel for 2018 league. This is widespread across div 2 3 and 4.

2 ESRI published a government report on gaa player welfare this year. They found there was a player drain. Over 30% of inter county players who played in 2016 didnt return to play for their county in 2017.

3 Irish Independent also did a study on GAA panels. There findings were simlar to ESRI findings. The Irish Indo found that over 30% of inter county players who played in 2017 did not return for 2018 league.

4 The Wicklow manager recently said in every single of the last 5 seasons in each one of those year's, 15 players left the Wicklow panel and didnt retutn the following year. Wicklow have basically lost 15 players in every single one of the last 5 seasons.

5 Kevin Walsh said in his first 18 months as Galway manager 52 players turned down the invitation to join the Galway panel.

6 Connerton Longford manager said also in his first 2 years as manager over 50 player turned down the invitation, declined to attend trials and join the panel.

This is what is happening for so many football teams at moment.

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 566 - 14/01/2019 21:28:38    2157146

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Replying To royaldunne:  "God I missed you furlong. Happy new year to you. And always great to read your factual and insightful facts on all things football. Well done."
Thanks for your nice comments Royaldunne. Happy new year to you to. Hopefully it will be good and happy new year for Meath football and hopefully we will finally get out promoted to div 1 and reach the leinster final. And our promising minors beat the Dubs for a fifth time in 5 years, and hopefully we will be strong contenders for leinster minor and under 20 leinster titles. You never know with young players but great work has been done on the ground at underage .

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 566 - 14/01/2019 21:51:03    2157156

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Dublins third team wud beat must teams in leinster.
We have never in the history of gaelic football seen a county with so many inter county players as Dublin have now. In the past even a great All-Ireland winning team would have had 18 , 19 and 20 players of good inter county standard. Dublin currently have 45 to 50 maybe more good quality inter county players. Their first 15 is the best team in the country by a mile. Dublin's second team would be good enough to win leinster reach super 8 and compete in div 2. While a Dublin third team wud compete in div 3 and would probaly win leinster also. Players like Conor McHugh would walk onto any team in the country.

This Dublin third team is going for its second byrne cup in three years. It has reached 2 Byrne cup finals in 3 years. The Bynre cup is now played without Dublin first and second team. It is basically the leinster championship without the All Ireland winning Dublin team. And yet the Dubs are probaly going win 2nd Bynre cup title in 3 years.

In 2017 Dublins third team comprehensivly defeated Kildare first 15 in the Bynre cup final. That kildare team basically , the same 15 went onto be promoted from div 2 in the 2017 by winning their first 5 games and in the summer reached the leinster final. Meath kildare Westmeath Laois Offaly and the rest of leinster could all be beaten by Dublins third team. They all have been. And if Dublin win their 2nd byrne cup in.three years that looks like the reality of the situation. That Dublin third team would definitely compete at div 3 or 4 level and probaly even div 2 level. Dublin could enter 3 teams in the All Ireland championship and the 3 of them cud potentially reach the Super 8s. That team that played Meath tonight could beat every team in leinster and every team in div 3 or 4. Thats how strong the talent pool is in Dublin currently.
If any team wins 2 out of 3 years in competition they r usually considered strong opposition in that competition in any sport. Dublin will probably win 2 out of last 3 Bynre cup with their third team. What does that say about leinster football. What we can say about Dublin is they have a reservoir of football talent we have never witnessed before.

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 566 - 14/01/2019 22:00:29    2157161

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Your telling me we've had to win All Ireland's without Ciaran Kilkenny, Jack McCaffery, Paul Mannion, Rory O Carroll, Bernard Brogan and Diarmuid Connolly.

If you think Div 2 and 3 are tough...........

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 1931 - 14/01/2019 22:09:13    2157168

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Westmeath will probably beat that Dublin side, they're half decent.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 7091 - 14/01/2019 22:16:15    2157171

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Rolls Royce performance from McMahon in the first half, just the spot we could do with one.

But naieve over all and lads trying to hard to impress making the wrong decisions.

Smith, Lynch may be a year off yet.

McDaid not doing himself any harm first half.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 1931 - 18/01/2019 21:03:18    2158092

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