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Vote: Hand Pass Rule

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The problem is the doctor has prescribed the wrong medicine for the illness.

The problem is the Doctor misdiagnosed the illness in the first place all those years ago when they started trying out new medicines!

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 3887 - 12/01/2019 11:32:47    2156708

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Would you like to see the new Hand Pass rule introduced into the leagues?

Yes or No"
No

Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 502 - 12/01/2019 12:42:45    2156714

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Replying To Uimhir.a.3.:  "I wouldn't laugh out to loud if I were you. The players had a voice in this, through the GPA they had David Collins an ex Galway hurler & now President of the GPA, on the committee that drew up these recommendations. So players had their voice there, so they can't be complaining. The same arguments came from players & managers when the Sin Bin idea was trialled very successfully a few years ago, but they bitched about it & a campaign by leading managers at the time campaigned in a very coordinated way as we see now, to get rid of it. What replaced the successfully trialled Sin Bin, the Black Card. The Black Card that the very same managers & players bitch about now & rightly so as it was a pathetic substitute for the Sin Bin. The GAA will bend the knee on this as the current leadership are very poor & managers & players will have their way."
Put forward your case for retaining the hand pass rule .

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5003 - 12/01/2019 15:18:51    2156726

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No.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5003 - 12/01/2019 15:21:36    2156727

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Yes.

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 2960 - 12/01/2019 18:41:28    2156744

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No

jacktheDub (Dublin) - Posts: 842 - 12/01/2019 23:33:39    2156793

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Replying To thelongridge:  "I'm withConvert 1. Keep the handpass rule for the league. Give it a chance, anything to improve football becoming a boring defensive game.
GPA take a hike."
But this handpasssing rule appears to do the complete opposite. It rewards defences football even more

tipp11 (Tipperary) - Posts: 339 - 13/01/2019 10:18:07    2156818

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So far 96-97% No

It'll be something similar enough when the players give their say

A small minority would like to see its introduction

As such let's hope that we see an end to this ASAP

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 19592 - 13/01/2019 11:04:38    2156827

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What about the rest of the rules? Hand pass seems to have taken all the focus off the other 4 completely. Think it's fair to say it's unanimous that most want the Hand passing rule gone.

Sideline for me is completely unnecessary. Offensive mark I can see going 50/50, we will need to wait and see how it pans out

tipp11 (Tipperary) - Posts: 339 - 13/01/2019 11:14:50    2156828

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its a nonsense... get shot of it

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13502 - 13/01/2019 11:57:08    2156832

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NO

Terrible idea, the stats don't lie on this one, goals are down across the board in the pre season competitions, and many counties still have their best players to come back so I'd expect to see even less goals when teams are at full strength.

Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1252 - 13/01/2019 13:13:42    2156847

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Interesting to see that both galway and mayo managers two men who know a lot about football and who don't speak to get media attention aren't in favour of all the rule changes. Two men I'd have massive respect for

galwayfball (Galway) - Posts: 977 - 13/01/2019 20:15:29    2156937

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No
Absolutely criminal idea. Colm Collins the Clare manager stated yesterday it has led to more packed defenses..of course it has but could have told him that two months ago,

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1716 - 13/01/2019 20:32:27    2156943

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Replying To tipp11:  "What about the rest of the rules? Hand pass seems to have taken all the focus off the other 4 completely. Think it's fair to say it's unanimous that most want the Hand passing rule gone.

Sideline for me is completely unnecessary. Offensive mark I can see going 50/50, we will need to wait and see how it pans out"
I think the Sin Bin is a good idea worth trialing.

The sideline rule is an answer to a question no one asked. All it does is limit options for a team on the attack.

I'm not personally speaking in favour of any mark in Gaelic Football as I don't like the idea of giving free kicks to teams because a player performed the most basic and fundamental skill in the game of catching the ball. However I take on board the fact that it does give attacking teams an additional route in attack so maybe it's worth looking at. I'd reserve judgement on it.

Kick out rule is just continuing the attempt to remove the short kick out that a lot of people want to see removed from the game altogether.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 12723 - 13/01/2019 21:18:40    2156954

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No
Absolutely criminal idea. Colm Collins the Clare manager stated yesterday it has led to more packed defenses..of course it has but could have told him that two months ago,

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1716 - 13/01/2019 22:15:50    2156962

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Replying To MesAmis:  "I think the Sin Bin is a good idea worth trialing.

The sideline rule is an answer to a question no one asked. All it does is limit options for a team on the attack.

I'm not personally speaking in favour of any mark in Gaelic Football as I don't like the idea of giving free kicks to teams because a player performed the most basic and fundamental skill in the game of catching the ball. However I take on board the fact that it does give attacking teams an additional route in attack so maybe it's worth looking at. I'd reserve judgement on it.

Kick out rule is just continuing the attempt to remove the short kick out that a lot of people want to see removed from the game altogether."
I don't understand why people hate the short kick out so much. One of the most exciting games in recent years Dublin Kerry in 2016 was turned to Kerry's as a result of their smart pressing of the kick out.

Seems sometimes that people just don't want tactics in the game at all.

Similarly the hand pass is such an idiotic rule. After Dublin Tyrone in 2017 I think any team would know that they couldn't beat Dublin by sitting back and looking to counter. Now with the new rules maybe that sort of game plan could work again.

Really the whole rules change push is a less important problem to be addressed right now.

Get a better fixture schedule where teams play more matches (a proper league campaign) in the Spring and Summer months and attacking football may be more effective. Counties play more games in February/March than April to September. Club football hits it's stride in October. No wonder teams develop defensive strategies.

Give all teams a decent program of games and less successful counties would have a better chance at retaining players to progress.

Maybe properly implement rules regarding payment of managers and those coaching teams will take more risks without worrying about losing an income. Maybe put in place spending limits on county teams, might level the playing field somewhat and leave more money to go around the clubs.

These would be much more important issues for the powers that be to work on.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 2701 - 14/01/2019 18:56:49    2157112

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Feck no

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 7701 - 14/01/2019 22:19:22    2157174

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Not a fan of the hand pass rule. Inclined to slow down the game more than anything else. Refs are spending most of their time counting passes and as a result are missing other fouls. Saw lads yesterday working the ball out of defence and just as they about to pop a pass to a man on the shoulder you'd hear a shout of kick it so the kick usually goes back thirty yards and the move starts all over again. Hasn't stopped teams retaining possession and has cut out attacking options. Some of the best moves and scores over the last few years have been the result of a series of hand passes.The Dubs in full hand passing mode are a joy to watch. Don't understand why the rule was changed in the first place. If a team have the skill to be able to retain possession good luck to them, it's up to the other team to get the ball back. Maybe curtail the back pass to the goalkeeper but apart from that leave well enough alone. The other changes aren't making much of a difference one way or another but at least they aren't proving a nuisance!

Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1048 - 14/01/2019 22:36:23    2157180

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One of the worst aspects of the gaa is the inconsistency of reffing. We see refs escorted off by the stewards more and more these days.

How is adding a set of poorly thought out rules on top of what's already ropey enough going to make a better spectacle.

The starting point for any discussion on attempting to improve things is define and police the tackle. Everything else is window dressing.

duckula20 (Antrim) - Posts: 172 - 15/01/2019 06:16:52    2157189

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Have not seen a game yet to judge handpass but have rarely read or heard anything positive.

I hope the sin bin is kept and is also introduced urgently for hurling (which needs it more).

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3739 - 15/01/2019 07:06:02    2157191

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