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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "Limerick vs Clare 30k
Kilkenny v Galway 16k
Dublin v Kildare & Meath v Laois 36k
Cavan v Armagh 21k
Donegal v Tyrone 13k


I can see Tipp vs Limerick having 30k and Clare v Cork 18k. Some going from Munster. I know there are more matches but I wonder how the total leinster for hurling attendance will compare to football? Are we now a hurling province?"
It's set up pretty nicely in both provinces, 4 teams playing in each all with a chance of qualification. Huge attendances in Munster though the games haven't been great. They called out 39k for Limerick Clare on RTE yesterday but 29,611 was the actual figure. Still a huge crowd.

Would have expected Galway and Kilkenny to sell out Nolan Park, 16k wasn't great for such a game.

Very surprised at only 13k for Donegal Tyrone too. If these teams met in a February league game they wouldn't bring a crowd far off that. Donegal had about 50k of their own fans in Croke Park when they beat Cork in a semi final in 2012.

tomhealycork (Cork) - Posts: 62 - 10/06/2019 10:03:33    2192636

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Replying To tomhealycork:  "It's set up pretty nicely in both provinces, 4 teams playing in each all with a chance of qualification. Huge attendances in Munster though the games haven't been great. They called out 39k for Limerick Clare on RTE yesterday but 29,611 was the actual figure. Still a huge crowd.

Would have expected Galway and Kilkenny to sell out Nolan Park, 16k wasn't great for such a game.

Very surprised at only 13k for Donegal Tyrone too. If these teams met in a February league game they wouldn't bring a crowd far off that. Donegal had about 50k of their own fans in Croke Park when they beat Cork in a semi final in 2012."
Surprised by the low turnout myself in Cavan. It was probably a 50/50 split in the crowd with Donegal maybe edging it. Considering for the majority of Donegal people it was a 6+ hour round journey,relatively low expectations and the game was live on TV, 7000 crowd from Donegal isn't all that bad.

Antifa (Donegal) - Posts: 140 - 10/06/2019 10:29:12    2192665

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Replying To tomhealycork:  "It's set up pretty nicely in both provinces, 4 teams playing in each all with a chance of qualification. Huge attendances in Munster though the games haven't been great. They called out 39k for Limerick Clare on RTE yesterday but 29,611 was the actual figure. Still a huge crowd.

Would have expected Galway and Kilkenny to sell out Nolan Park, 16k wasn't great for such a game.

Very surprised at only 13k for Donegal Tyrone too. If these teams met in a February league game they wouldn't bring a crowd far off that. Donegal had about 50k of their own fans in Croke Park when they beat Cork in a semi final in 2012."
Was in Kilkenny yesterday and I cannot see where a further 12 thousand would fit if the total capacity is 27,800! But what a game!

ecad123 (Galway) - Posts: 13 - 10/06/2019 10:30:32    2192667

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Replying To ecad123:  "Was in Kilkenny yesterday and I cannot see where a further 12 thousand would fit if the total capacity is 27,800! But what a game!"
I think that capacity is more like 21/22k even though wikipedia says higher. Clashes with Tipp have sold out in recent years and I think they have had around the 21k mark.

tomhealycork (Cork) - Posts: 62 - 10/06/2019 12:27:06    2192791

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Replying To Antifa:  "Surprised by the low turnout myself in Cavan. It was probably a 50/50 split in the crowd with Donegal maybe edging it. Considering for the majority of Donegal people it was a 6+ hour round journey,relatively low expectations and the game was live on TV, 7000 crowd from Donegal isn't all that bad."
Donegal is a funny shaped county so no matter where you're fixed to play it will be awkward for some fans. Where was the best venue? Derry?

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 10/06/2019 13:10:56    2192837

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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "Donegal is a funny shaped county so no matter where you're fixed to play it will be awkward for some fans. Where was the best venue? Derry?"
Derry would have been ideal, the game would have sold out and made for a great atmosphere and advertisement for the football championship. Even the athletic grounds in Armagh would have been easier for a lot of people, particularly Tyrone fans.

Antifa (Donegal) - Posts: 140 - 10/06/2019 13:41:42    2192880

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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "Limerick vs Clare 30k
Kilkenny v Galway 16k
Dublin v Kildare & Meath v Laois 36k
Cavan v Armagh 21k
Donegal v Tyrone 13k


I can see Tipp vs Limerick having 30k and Clare v Cork 18k. Some going from Munster. I know there are more matches but I wonder how the total leinster for hurling attendance will compare to football? Are we now a hurling province?"
Cork v Waterford 26K
Down v Tipp 6K

All the weekends fixtures add uo to 150Kish. a lot of people!

OpenStand (Limerick) - Posts: 184 - 10/06/2019 14:15:55    2192925

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Don't have the exact figure but the munster hurling championship had about 250k at it last year. Will 2019 beat it? Still to come probably 30k at Tipp vs Limerick and 18k at Clare v Cork. 45k at the final. So surely 2019 figures will be up even further?

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 10/06/2019 16:37:23    2193033

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Some interesting analysis looking at the total attendances in the provinces thus far, Munster Hurling growing, Leinster Hurling slightly down, Leinster football marginal increases, Ulster up significantly (probably helped with replays), Connacht has dipped maybe surprisingly so though the Galway and Mayo fixture last year may account for that, Munster football attendances are down 50% on last year that is a startling unraveling figure.



Munster Hurling
2019 180,387
2018 170,104

Leinster Hurling
2019: 68220
2018: 79248

Leinster SF
2019: 71501
2018: 71304

Ulster SF
2019: 106067
2018: 70197

Connacht SF
2019: 45101
2018: 55630

Munster SF
2019: 12349
2018: 24191

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 3075 - 16/06/2019 10:29:18    2195640

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Limerick vs Tipp 39,100.
Clare vs Cork 16k+
Galway vs Roscommon 17,600+

The hurling attendances this year have been fantastic. Very interested to see how many the leinster hurling final gets. Id assume munster will be a 45k sell out. Pity they don't have the capacity for more.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 16/06/2019 17:17:32    2195847

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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "Limerick vs Tipp 39,100.
Clare vs Cork 16k+
Galway vs Roscommon 17,600+

The hurling attendances this year have been fantastic. Very interested to see how many the leinster hurling final gets. Id assume munster will be a 45k sell out. Pity they don't have the capacity for more."
Be 60k mark minimum for the Leinster final.

Ej (Wexford) - Posts: 280 - 16/06/2019 19:10:07    2195965

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Some interesting analysis looking at the total attendances in the provinces thus far, Munster Hurling growing, Leinster Hurling slightly down, Leinster football marginal increases, Ulster up significantly (probably helped with replays), Connacht has dipped maybe surprisingly so though the Galway and Mayo fixture last year may account for that, Munster football attendances are down 50% on last year that is a startling unraveling figure.



Munster Hurling
2019 180,387
2018 170,104

Leinster Hurling
2019: 68220
2018: 79248

Leinster SF
2019: 71501
2018: 71304

Ulster SF
2019: 106067
2018: 70197

Connacht SF
2019: 45101
2018: 55630

Munster SF
2019: 12349
2018: 24191"
There is no big crisis or story with those Munster football attendances to be honest. 3/5k is about standard for Munster semi finals for as long as I can remember. If Kerry are at home to a Clare or Tipp they would draw a bigger crowd. Last year they drew a huge crowd (17k I think) down to it being David Clifford's championship debut. This year Kerry were away and Cork were at a low ebb. Plus both games clashed with the champions league final containing 2 of our beloved English teams! So there certainly wasn't any records going to be broken!

The Munster final crowd next week will be interesting. This was always 40/45k pre back door but slipped to mid 20's after. When Cork and Kerry were both contending for All Ireland's a 5/10 years ago Killarney crowds got back to 30/35k. The crowd for a Pairc Ui Caoimh Munster final never picked up though 20/25k is about the standard. Strangely it is always the Kerry terrace that is close to empty. They tend to bring a very small crowd across the border post back door even when this game was more competitive.

tomhealycork (Cork) - Posts: 62 - 17/06/2019 09:58:37    2196266

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Replying To tomhealycork:  "There is no big crisis or story with those Munster football attendances to be honest. 3/5k is about standard for Munster semi finals for as long as I can remember. If Kerry are at home to a Clare or Tipp they would draw a bigger crowd. Last year they drew a huge crowd (17k I think) down to it being David Clifford's championship debut. This year Kerry were away and Cork were at a low ebb. Plus both games clashed with the champions league final containing 2 of our beloved English teams! So there certainly wasn't any records going to be broken!

The Munster final crowd next week will be interesting. This was always 40/45k pre back door but slipped to mid 20's after. When Cork and Kerry were both contending for All Ireland's a 5/10 years ago Killarney crowds got back to 30/35k. The crowd for a Pairc Ui Caoimh Munster final never picked up though 20/25k is about the standard. Strangely it is always the Kerry terrace that is close to empty. They tend to bring a very small crowd across the border post back door even when this game was more competitive."
All good points and im sure there are variables, but 50% down in a whole province that really is shocking and its not getting the air play it should really.

Football seems like it is on its last legs in Munster. Not that the Leinster Championship has anything to be crowing about mind.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 3075 - 17/06/2019 11:47:21    2196352

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Replying To TheUsername:  "All good points and im sure there are variables, but 50% down in a whole province that really is shocking and its not getting the air play it should really.

Football seems like it is on its last legs in Munster. Not that the Leinster Championship has anything to be crowing about mind."
It would be wise of the GAA to heavily invest in football in Cork, Limerick, Tipp and Clare. Kerry need no money as they are well off. You could probably argue cork too but they've a big debt to pay off. The likes of Clare, Tipp and Limerick however should be focus points for the GAA but they don't seem to care.

Do your figures for munster hurling this year include this weekends matches? How do the total numbers for 2018 stack up to 2019?

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 17/06/2019 14:47:20    2196545

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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "It would be wise of the GAA to heavily invest in football in Cork, Limerick, Tipp and Clare. Kerry need no money as they are well off. You could probably argue cork too but they've a big debt to pay off. The likes of Clare, Tipp and Limerick however should be focus points for the GAA but they don't seem to care.

Do your figures for munster hurling this year include this weekends matches? How do the total numbers for 2018 stack up to 2019?"
Here is the full list of the announced hurling attendances. Few blanks for Leinster games. Massive crowds in Munster, just under the 20k average last year up to 23,663 this year.

Clare Waterford 11,012
Cork Tipp 30,274

Tipp Waterford 22,883
Limerick Cork 31,274

WFord Limerick 10,874
Clare Tipp 18,216

Cork Waterford 26,521
Limerick Clare 29,611

Clare Cork 16,856
Tipp Limerick 39,115
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Total 236,636
Average 23,663




KK Dublin 9,495
Galway Carlow 6,097

Carlow KK 7,050
Dublin Wexford ??

Galway Wexford 12,624
Carlow Dublin ??

Wexford Carlow 6,500
KK Galway 15,778

Wexford KK 15,241
Dublin Galway ??

tomhealycork (Cork) - Posts: 62 - 17/06/2019 15:46:32    2196593

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Replying To tomhealycork:  "Here is the full list of the announced hurling attendances. Few blanks for Leinster games. Massive crowds in Munster, just under the 20k average last year up to 23,663 this year.

Clare Waterford 11,012
Cork Tipp 30,274

Tipp Waterford 22,883
Limerick Cork 31,274

WFord Limerick 10,874
Clare Tipp 18,216

Cork Waterford 26,521
Limerick Clare 29,611

Clare Cork 16,856
Tipp Limerick 39,115
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Total 236,636
Average 23,663




KK Dublin 9,495
Galway Carlow 6,097

Carlow KK 7,050
Dublin Wexford ??

Galway Wexford 12,624
Carlow Dublin ??

Wexford Carlow 6,500
KK Galway 15,778

Wexford KK 15,241
Dublin Galway ??"
Parnell Park was sold out for Dublin v Galway so 13'500?

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 3636 - 17/06/2019 16:01:08    2196606

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Replying To cavanman47:  "
Replying To tomhealycork:  "Here is the full list of the announced hurling attendances. Few blanks for Leinster games. Massive crowds in Munster, just under the 20k average last year up to 23,663 this year.

Clare Waterford 11,012
Cork Tipp 30,274

Tipp Waterford 22,883
Limerick Cork 31,274

WFord Limerick 10,874
Clare Tipp 18,216

Cork Waterford 26,521
Limerick Clare 29,611

Clare Cork 16,856
Tipp Limerick 39,115
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Total 236,636
Average 23,663




KK Dublin 9,495
Galway Carlow 6,097

Carlow KK 7,050
Dublin Wexford ??

Galway Wexford 12,624
Carlow Dublin ??

Wexford Carlow 6,500
KK Galway 15,778

Wexford KK 15,241
Dublin Galway ??"
Parnell Park was sold out for Dublin v Galway so 13'500?"
Don't know who does the counting at Wexford park but it was a sell out bar limited space on the terraces and it has an official capacity of 25k.

Ej (Wexford) - Posts: 280 - 17/06/2019 17:28:53    2196666

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Probably reduced capacity on Wexford Park. Most GAA stadia are well down on the official capacity you find listed online. Thurles is 53k but sold out Munster finals get around 45k

tomhealycork (Cork) - Posts: 62 - 17/06/2019 17:54:10    2196679

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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "It would be wise of the GAA to heavily invest in football in Cork, Limerick, Tipp and Clare. Kerry need no money as they are well off. You could probably argue cork too but they've a big debt to pay off. The likes of Clare, Tipp and Limerick however should be focus points for the GAA but they don't seem to care.

Do your figures for munster hurling this year include this weekends matches? How do the total numbers for 2018 stack up to 2019?"
I have them but wont share them as i think your a mutli account holder here and posting under a number of different names and a journo doing copy research, trying to wind up Dubs and other county supporters by pushing controversial topics to get intellectual property for articles.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 3075 - 17/06/2019 17:57:28    2196682

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Replying To tomhealycork:  "Probably reduced capacity on Wexford Park. Most GAA stadia are well down on the official capacity you find listed online. Thurles is 53k but sold out Munster finals get around 45k"
I was involved in the marketing of Wexford Park after the rebuild some years ago, so know each stands official capacity.
Some of the Limerick lads on here may recall a championship qualifier back in 2009. Played in a monsoon. Main stand was more than full and entrance to it was eventually prevented even when lads had stand tickets.
Main stand alone holds 8k. Official attendance was 7k.

Ej (Wexford) - Posts: 280 - 17/06/2019 18:29:42    2196705

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