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So the solution to this scandal is to appoint the culprit's to oversee it?

890202 (Wexford) - Posts: 1278 - 18/12/2018 11:45:15    2154596

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Replying To arock:  "It is not just about the scale of the over-run it is the ability of the GAA to service that. All the other projects like the AVIA, Croke Park, Premiership League grounds etc etc are not applicable here. All those projects listed have organisations who have a serious ability to pay and service the over runs. The more debt an organisation has the less it has to spend its the laws of economic gravity which seems to defy most Irish people. It will be the death knell for renovations to county grounds in Kildare, Meath, Antrim, Wicklow, Warerford. Plus the GAA will have to earn more, so no more moaning about the Dubs home advantages, there is money to be earned to pay for others ineptitude."
No it will not spell the death knell for developments in those counties and to be honest until someone provides evidence that this overspend extends to €110 million then I won't be paying much more heed. And please get off your high horse your mighty footballers aren't the all important cash cow you think they are, this years hurling championship brought home the gravy big time for the GAA and those counties aren't getting near what Dublin are having put into them financially so for what you provide you take as much away if not more, your costing the GAA money!!!!!

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3734 - 18/12/2018 13:06:27    2154608

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Replying To bloodyban:  "Limerick is Ireland's 3rd city after Dublin and Cork."
Ireland, the island's, 2nd and 3rd cities are Belfast and Cork respectively.

Not sure whether or not Limerick or Derry is in 4th position to be honest.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13705 - 18/12/2018 14:48:09    2154622

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Replying To Richieq:  "No it will not spell the death knell for developments in those counties and to be honest until someone provides evidence that this overspend extends to €110 million then I won't be paying much more heed. And please get off your high horse your mighty footballers aren't the all important cash cow you think they are, this years hurling championship brought home the gravy big time for the GAA and those counties aren't getting near what Dublin are having put into them financially so for what you provide you take as much away if not more, your costing the GAA money!!!!!"
I never stated the amount of an over run I am pointing out that people like you believe money grows on trees (usually someone elses money at that). There is no high about our footballers if they are in an exulted elevated state it is their own doing. You sound like Leo today re childrens hospital overrun by trillions "well it might be the most expensive hospital ever built but it will be the best". That aptly sums up the attitude to wasting money the GAA simply doesn't have. HA HA we are costing the GAA money love it actually that is truly breathtaking.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4895 - 18/12/2018 16:05:50    2154629

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I'm being cynical but it's hard to believe that some people in power in the GAA, probably just a tiny amount, are lets say abusing their position. Either illegally or at least unethically. Deals with landowners, developers, builders worth millions. TV, radio and media deals. Endorsements for amateur teams and players. It isn't the players or the hard pressed club volunteers who have to raise funds for their clubs but those at the top who get government grants but seem accountable to no one.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7337 - 18/12/2018 20:35:03    2154662

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Replying To TheUsername:  "I have to agree Gerry, part of me thinks by the reaction of the key stakeholders in the project that this wasn't totally unexpected if i am being honest. I still think it is a fantastic asset that will pay for itself many times over, its good to hear you are at conference there, in the addition to gigs, premium tickets, corporate facilities to supplement GAA revenue i still believe it will prove a fantastic asset and one worthy of its outlay from a commercial point of view.

From a sporting perspective Munster as a region needed and deserves this facility, to many games are funneled toward Croke Park and given Munsters profile in Hurling and the amount of trips Kerry and Cork have had to make in football over the years to Dublin and the distance involved in my opinion its only sporting equity that a modern stadium should be in Munster that can host quarter final/semi final games or act as a neutral venue for all the controversy around the football quarter finals this year, hopefully the GAA will see the same. As i said before i would like to see similar projects developed in Connacht and Ulster. It also makes perfect sense that Cork should have a marquee stadium, they have the infrastructure to hold big events, transport links - roads, rail, hotel infrastructure, amenities, policing etc.

From a financial point of view, the funding model to finance this was dynamic. Taxpayer funding came to €30m, Croke Park added €20m, the Cork County Board had savings of €10m and Munster Council provided an additional €3.75m and that comes to around €63.75m. That leaves a shortfall of almost €50m - if the figure is 110 million, but that is question. Cork GAA plan to sell a 20-acre area of land at Kilbarry, that was rezoned from light industrial to development in 2017, and that is expected to take in between €15-20m. It still leaves €30m outstanding, if the figure in the media is true.

From my point of morally, i would far prefer that tax payers money is used on developing infrastructure nationally n the GAA as a fantastic community association and raising the profile nationally in its biggest urban centers, then say propping up failed insurance companies, paying bond holders etc.

As for the GAA now coming into manage the stadium and taking on the burden of the debt, if that is true - which seems questionable. Croke Park are getting a 45k stadium in the heart of Cork City for a cost of 60 million (if the 110million), as these things go that is quite the snip, which is why i think the key stakeholders in this arent that surprised or dissapointed.

If PUC is run the same way Croke Park is as a facility holistically, its only going to be a fantastic asset to the GAA."
"As for the GAA now coming into manage the stadium & taking on the burden of the debt, if that is true - which seems questionable." Obviously with this statement you are implying that what the leading official from Croke Park stated publicly may not be factually correct. Obviously with two stories circulating nationally, someone is factually incorrect, it is just unbelievable that it is just swept under the carpet since & not a peep from any side, eventually it will surface just like the rot in Galway is being exposed.

Uimhir.a.3. (Galway) - Posts: 409 - 18/12/2018 23:23:58    2154673

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is it time for every capital development to be dealt with centrally?above a certain point,should it be managed by croke park?

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 19/12/2018 10:36:40    2154692

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The Irish government gave IRFU and to a lesser extent FAI 191 million to help rebuild the Aviva. That is a lot of taxpayers money.

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2517 - 19/12/2018 10:47:38    2154695

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Replying To Uimhir.a.3.:  ""As for the GAA now coming into manage the stadium & taking on the burden of the debt, if that is true - which seems questionable." Obviously with this statement you are implying that what the leading official from Croke Park stated publicly may not be factually correct. Obviously with two stories circulating nationally, someone is factually incorrect, it is just unbelievable that it is just swept under the carpet since & not a peep from any side, eventually it will surface just like the rot in Galway is being exposed."
I was implying really that it hard to make a concrete judgment or to know what debt there is given the diversity in the stories between the county board and the GAA, obviously one contradicts the other so i am simply paraphrasing really.

In reality it could be a debt management arrangement or it could be as described using the skill set within the GAA in terms of facility management, which seems quite sensible, usually the Irish way of doing things is probably a bit of both.

Really with two different stories doing the rounds, we are speculating, wither side of the coin for me i still think the whole thing was and will be worthwhile when you apply it to the context i have.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 19/12/2018 11:19:42    2154700

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