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First things first, People who have followed my comments down the years on defensive football will know that I have absolutely no issue with teams who adapt these types of systems whatsoever, If that's what teams want to do and they see it as the way to go in order to progress, fine. Ive never been an advocate for rule changes to try and stop it and have always maintained the way to stop a blanket defence or such defensive approaches is to figure it out, consistently beat these defensive sides and make the whole system null and void, So this is not a dig at Donegal lets make that clear, but surely Donegal's CB secretary can hear the irony in her comments ? "most people agree that gaelic football is becoming dull and less attractive to watch, with the emphasis on teams putting negative plans in place to prevent their opponents from play" I am one of the very few that still very much enjoys the defensive systems and particularly Dublin v Tyrone in 2017 watching how Dublin absolutely destroyed the tactic and Tyrone in the process, I just enjoy going to watch a game regardless, But I do appreciate the majority of people think like Aideen, but I mean, look a bit closer to home if you want to blame someone for what you feel are dull and less attractive games. I'd wonder if she thought it was dull and boring when Donegal went from exiting the championship at the first round of the qualifiers losing by 9 points to Armagh in june 2010, to getting to a semi final of an all Ireland in 2011 losing by two points, and winning the all Ireland in 2012 playing a far from free flowing attacking football in that period. waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 07/12/2018 09:34:33 2153567 Link
McGuinness and Tyrone destroyed Gaelic Football as a spectator sport , although in fairness McGuinness always played attacking football in one quarter and scored enough to defend for rest of game. Very hard to watch games now with a played about to take a shot for a score but when confronted with a defender the next thing the ball Is back with his Goalkeeper. On one occasion last Sunday a Gweedore player taking a 45 kicked the ball back to his fullback , that's why we have Puke Football culmore (None) - Posts: 1398 - 07/12/2018 11:23:48 2153580 Link
i understand your sentiment but first of all. there is no irony in her comments. she didn't come up with the defensive style of play for Donegal. you can't make her responsible by the association of just being from Donegal. Secondly i always defend and feel Donegal senior team 2011-14 get a far harder time over their tactics than they deserve. yes 2011 was mind blowing for a lot of us. for the 1 millionth time i'll fleetingly reference the semi final v Dublin. however 2012 Donegal were a joy to watch, their defence was solid, aggressive, skilful and effective but their counter attack was the best we've seen in recent GAA history and i include Dublin in that. just my opinion btw.....Donegal 2018 i felt were a great team to watch. their performance in the ulster final was reminiscent of 2012 and against my own county in the first round they were equally as good!!! the problem lies with copy cat coaches making a name for themselves, playing it safe and most importantly don't have the players to play an effective counter attacking game. theweanling (Cavan) - Posts: 414 - 07/12/2018 11:29:00 2153581 Link
Replying To waynoI: "First things first, People who have followed my comments down the years on defensive football will know that I have absolutely no issue with teams who adapt these types of systems whatsoever, If that's what teams want to do and they see it as the way to go in order to progress, fine. Ive never been an advocate for rule changes to try and stop it and have always maintained the way to stop a blanket defence or such defensive approaches is to figure it out, consistently beat these defensive sides and make the whole system null and void, So this is not a dig at Donegal lets make that clear, but surely Donegal's CB secretary can hear the irony in her comments ? "most people agree that gaelic football is becoming dull and less attractive to watch, with the emphasis on teams putting negative plans in place to prevent their opponents from play" I am one of the very few that still very much enjoys the defensive systems and particularly Dublin v Tyrone in 2017 watching how Dublin absolutely destroyed the tactic and Tyrone in the process, I just enjoy going to watch a game regardless, But I do appreciate the majority of people think like Aideen, but I mean, look a bit closer to home if you want to blame someone for what you feel are dull and less attractive games. I'd wonder if she thought it was dull and boring when Donegal went from exiting the championship at the first round of the qualifiers losing by 9 points to Armagh in june 2010, to getting to a semi final of an all Ireland in 2011 losing by two points, and winning the all Ireland in 2012 playing a far from free flowing attacking football in that period." She rather implies that footballers are being turned into robots and does not like it. Dublin's Costello gets upset that pundits make such comments about his team. Maybe they are both in agreement. neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 07/12/2018 12:29:02 2153584 Link
McGuinness came up with a system that was untouchable in 2012. They had their issues in other years with it but when executed properly it was a combination of dogged defending, quick transition and deadly finishing. The bogey men responsible for lowering the standard of football contests are the lazy managers who try to copy it unsuccessfully and there are plenty of them out there. It's something that always puzzles me. How do teams that win All Ireland's get branded as negative? SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 07/12/2018 13:23:54 2153588 Link
Replying To SaffronDon: "McGuinness came up with a system that was untouchable in 2012. They had their issues in other years with it but when executed properly it was a combination of dogged defending, quick transition and deadly finishing. The bogey men responsible for lowering the standard of football contests are the lazy managers who try to copy it unsuccessfully and there are plenty of them out there. It's something that always puzzles me. How do teams that win All Ireland's get branded as negative?" I agree with you. waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 07/12/2018 13:52:21 2153590 Link
Replying To culmore: "McGuinness and Tyrone destroyed Gaelic Football as a spectator sport , although in fairness McGuinness always played attacking football in one quarter and scored enough to defend for rest of game. Very hard to watch games now with a played about to take a shot for a score but when confronted with a defender the next thing the ball Is back with his Goalkeeper. On one occasion last Sunday a Gweedore player taking a 45 kicked the ball back to his fullback , that's why we have Puke Football" Did that actually happen, the 45?! ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 07/12/2018 14:03:43 2153592 Link
Replying To SaffronDon: "McGuinness came up with a system that was untouchable in 2012. They had their issues in other years with it but when executed properly it was a combination of dogged defending, quick transition and deadly finishing. The bogey men responsible for lowering the standard of football contests are the lazy managers who try to copy it unsuccessfully and there are plenty of them out there. It's something that always puzzles me. How do teams that win All Ireland's get branded as negative?" Nail on head. This agenda that Jim McGuiness is solely responsible for the demise of gaelic football is laughable as it is untrue. Jim's system worked - exhibit A - 2012 All Ireland. They say imitation is the greatest form of flattery and all that, but Jim's system worked because he had the players that could implement his plan both physically and tactically. The way some people talk you'd swear Jim spent his days dictating to the rest of the country that his way was the only way. Thank Christ for Dublin and Jim Gavin and some original thought. Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9116 - 07/12/2018 14:51:47 2153603 Link
Oh look another Jim McGuinness and Tyrone destroyed football comment. Donegal were superb under McGuinness and so were Tyrone in 03, 05 and 08. Bang average teams at all levels trying to copy the tactic is the problem at times. But anyone with half a brain would know this. TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7885 - 07/12/2018 15:05:10 2153605 Link
Replying To culmore: "McGuinness and Tyrone destroyed Gaelic Football as a spectator sport , although in fairness McGuinness always played attacking football in one quarter and scored enough to defend for rest of game. Very hard to watch games now with a played about to take a shot for a score but when confronted with a defender the next thing the ball Is back with his Goalkeeper. On one occasion last Sunday a Gweedore player taking a 45 kicked the ball back to his fullback , that's why we have Puke Football" you need to look at the overall picture. one example of a 45' being kicked to the full back is not enough of evidence to brand them as negative and a team that's playing horrible football. I've seen gaoth dobhair play a few times this year both on tv and in the flesh and i can tell you right now that they can mix it. they have some class players, it'd make no sense for them to play ''puke football'' as you call it. as for the Mc Guinness, Tyrone chat, anyone who has any idea of football will know the fault doesn't lie with them theweanling (Cavan) - Posts: 414 - 07/12/2018 16:36:42 2153621 Link
Know the woman in question personally and these comments are simply cringeworthy. Not representative of the majority of football people in Donegal and unfortunately she should leave the Football to others and do the day-job instead! Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1319 - 07/12/2018 17:45:52 2153631 Link
Replying To theweanling: "you need to look at the overall picture. one example of a 45' being kicked to the full back is not enough of evidence to brand them as negative and a team that's playing horrible football. I've seen gaoth dobhair play a few times this year both on tv and in the flesh and i can tell you right now that they can mix it. they have some class players, it'd make no sense for them to play ''puke football'' as you call it. as for the Mc Guinness, Tyrone chat, anyone who has any idea of football will know the fault doesn't lie with them" Spot on regarding a silly comment. The football Gweedore have played is anything but puke football. They adapted to any team they had to play. Last Sunday again they adapted not just to the team they were playing but also horrendous conditions. Look at the scores they put up in more open games and tells u all u need to know. panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2779 - 07/12/2018 18:18:07 2153633 Link
Replying To SaffronDon: "McGuinness came up with a system that was untouchable in 2012. They had their issues in other years with it but when executed properly it was a combination of dogged defending, quick transition and deadly finishing. The bogey men responsible for lowering the standard of football contests are the lazy managers who try to copy it unsuccessfully and there are plenty of them out there. It's something that always puzzles me. How do teams that win All Ireland's get branded as negative?" Spot on. I still think Donegal 2012 were one of the most dominant teams to win an All-Ireland. From very early on that year it seemed like they were kinda unstoppable. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13705 - 07/12/2018 18:22:29 2153634 Link
Replying To theweanling: "you need to look at the overall picture. one example of a 45' being kicked to the full back is not enough of evidence to brand them as negative and a team that's playing horrible football. I've seen gaoth dobhair play a few times this year both on tv and in the flesh and i can tell you right now that they can mix it. they have some class players, it'd make no sense for them to play ''puke football'' as you call it. as for the Mc Guinness, Tyrone chat, anyone who has any idea of football will know the fault doesn't lie with them" Spot on regarding a silly comment. The football Gweedore have played is anything but puke football. They adapted to any team they had to play. Last Sunday again they adapted not just to the team they were playing but also horrendous conditions. Look at the scores they put up in more open games and tells u all u need to know. panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2779 - 07/12/2018 21:57:16 2153647 Link
Replying To Donegal_abroad: "Know the woman in question personally and these comments are simply cringeworthy. Not representative of the majority of football people in Donegal and unfortunately she should leave the Football to others and do the day-job instead!" Actually I would say her comments are spot on. Which probably means in due course there will probably be more successful and famous rugby players emerging from Donegal than Gaelic football players. Amazing that that will happen but almost inevitable given the state of Gaelic football. PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1902 - 08/12/2018 04:39:09 2153652 Link
Replying To PoolSturgeon: "Actually I would say her comments are spot on. Which probably means in due course there will probably be more successful and famous rugby players emerging from Donegal than Gaelic football players. Amazing that that will happen but almost inevitable given the state of Gaelic football." The day a successful rugby player emerges from somewhere like Gaoth Dobhair or Glencolmcille I'll buy you a pint. Gaelic football is by FAR the biggest sport in Donegal and will be for the foreseeable future. Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9116 - 08/12/2018 09:32:13 2153654 Link
Replying To theweanling: "i understand your sentiment but first of all. there is no irony in her comments. she didn't come up with the defensive style of play for Donegal. you can't make her responsible by the association of just being from Donegal. Secondly i always defend and feel Donegal senior team 2011-14 get a far harder time over their tactics than they deserve. yes 2011 was mind blowing for a lot of us. for the 1 millionth time i'll fleetingly reference the semi final v Dublin. however 2012 Donegal were a joy to watch, their defence was solid, aggressive, skilful and effective but their counter attack was the best we've seen in recent GAA history and i include Dublin in that. just my opinion btw.....Donegal 2018 i felt were a great team to watch. their performance in the ulster final was reminiscent of 2012 and against my own county in the first round they were equally as good!!! the problem lies with copy cat coaches making a name for themselves, playing it safe and most importantly don't have the players to play an effective counter attacking game." Coaches need direction, the county board has the power to tell them don't coach a team to play that way, if you do you will be removed, it's an amatuer game and we depend on entertainment as that puts more arses on seats. So it's easy to say it's not their idea or they didn't come up with that style of play but when you can't even half fill croke park for all Ireland semis you are in big trouble. I would say to all those secretaries bemoaning the game and I'm sure this won't be the last, think about who you appoint, I'm well aware that my own county plays a very defensive brand of football too and it's not entertaining and I can safely say there would not be many neutrals that would come to watch us as you would have to love the county to sit through it. Neutrals make up a big section of the crowd on big days in croke park and that is changing as our only interest is going to see a good entertaining game. Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1592 - 08/12/2018 11:24:02 2153660 Link
Replying To panamasam: "Spot on regarding a silly comment. The football Gweedore have played is anything but puke football. They adapted to any team they had to play. Last Sunday again they adapted not just to the team they were playing but also horrendous conditions. Look at the scores they put up in more open games and tells u all u need to know." Have u actually watched Gaothdobhair play. When they lose possession 12 players turn and run back to there own 45m and they leave 2 up. The bottom line they have strong, athletic players who can play this game very well. ryan (Donegal) - Posts: 724 - 08/12/2018 13:38:13 2153668 Link
Replying To ryan: "Have u actually watched Gaothdobhair play. When they lose possession 12 players turn and run back to there own 45m and they leave 2 up. The bottom line they have strong, athletic players who can play this game very well." Eh and what is ur point? You suggesting that having a solid defensive system in place is puke football? Like I decided to come on here and give my opinion on a team I have never seen play....as if. panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2779 - 08/12/2018 15:40:16 2153676 Link
Replying To PoolSturgeon: "Actually I would say her comments are spot on. Which probably means in due course there will probably be more successful and famous rugby players emerging from Donegal than Gaelic football players. Amazing that that will happen but almost inevitable given the state of Gaelic football." Your comments beat hers for sheer madness, if that was possible.. Don't see many rugby players coming out of Donegal yet but with the McHughs, Murphy, McBrearty and those Gweedore lads, Gaelic football is in a healthy enough place here. Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1319 - 08/12/2018 15:40:44 2153677 Link