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Replying To Eddie the Exile:  "You are maybe missing the point a bit here. Context is everything when looking at this result. If you have a spare afternoon over the Christmas, take a spin up to Mullinalaghta for yourself.
Stand on their pitch and take a look around. You might begin to understand."
I looked it up on google maps ( to save me the spin) nice little club house and a flat pitch.

https://www.google.com/maps/@53.8221487,-7.5275844,3a,75y,280.75h,65.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sak5ZsabBlIxebkMm7SclDQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Not much different to Emmets shaughtneil from Derry:

https://www.google.com/maps/@54.8850124,-6.6989261,3a,75y,217.7h,84.32t/data=!3m9!1e1!3m7!1sAOX8gBhFYRffUI_kddh_jA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!9m2!1b1!2i50

I said earlier I will only be impressed if Mullinalaghta show it was not a fluke and at least put it up to Dr Crokes in February.
Mullinalaghta have won the Longford Championship three years in a row so they are hardly an overnight success.
To me the population argument is irrelevant it is about a team organisation and planning.
It is patronising to go on about Mullinalaghta's population, it is not the population that plays the game but the subs and the lads on the pitch.
Which is something that teams at intercounty level could learn from.

gormdubhgorm (Dublin) - Posts: 949 - 10/12/2018 14:03:49    2153872

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Replying To Ban:  "Great teams go to the end and never give up"
Teams can get lucky though.
The penalty was caused because of Cian O'Sullivan's stupidity more then anything else.

gormdubhgorm (Dublin) - Posts: 949 - 10/12/2018 14:05:37    2153873

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Insane result. I thought they would have something for Crokes but i didn't think it would be that.... Some of their handpassing was so intricate, it got out of trouble so many times..

just a little on the area...
The other half of the parish to the north (Gowna) lost the semi final (after a replay) in the Cavan SFC this year
The parish to the east is Mullahoran who got to the Ulster Intermediate final this year
The parish to the south is AbbeyLara, Mullinalaghta's opponents in the Longford SFC final...and only lost after a replay

Something in the water......or the pubs??

ponger (Cavan) - Posts: 397 - 10/12/2018 14:08:19    2153874

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Replying To gormdubhgorm:  "I don't think the win by Mullinalaghta was all that great to be honest it was a smash and grab.
Similar to when Offally beat Kerry in 82.
Or when Dublin beat Kerry in 11
I was far more impressed by Rathnew beating Vincents last year for example. That was a well deserved win.
This win was just a fortunate one.
You would swear it is the first time ever a small country team beat the city slickers the way the papers are going on.
You can only play 15 players at any one time.
Fair play to Mullinalaghta and all that.
But it was a fortunate win.
I hope they beat Dr Crokes and get into the final (prove it was not a fluke)- because then thier name will be always on that list in years to come."
Fortunate? They were given no chance by anyone except themselves. They won three in a row in Longford after a gap of more than 60 years while Rathnew seem to win Wicklow every other year Beating Vincents was a mighty win for Rathnew last year they didn't follow up and win Leinster. The self belief in that Mullinalaghta team, up against the might of the best club in the capital, is an inspirational lesson to every sportsman and woman, young and old. Walt Disney in his pomp couldn't come up with a better ending. Before you ask I do believe in Santa Claus and I got my letter off to him just there!

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 4810 - 10/12/2018 15:14:36    2153882

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Replying To gormdubhgorm:  "Teams can get lucky though.
The penalty was caused because of Cian O'Sullivan's stupidity more then anything else."
It was caused by a good attacking move which created a goal chance. If O'Sullivan didn't foul him, he had free shot on goal or a pass to a free man on his right who would've had an even easier chance.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 351 - 10/12/2018 15:16:01    2153883

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Replying To gormdubhgorm:  "I looked it up on google maps ( to save me the spin) nice little club house and a flat pitch.

https://www.google.com/maps/@53.8221487,-7.5275844,3a,75y,280.75h,65.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sak5ZsabBlIxebkMm7SclDQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Not much different to Emmets shaughtneil from Derry:

https://www.google.com/maps/@54.8850124,-6.6989261,3a,75y,217.7h,84.32t/data=!3m9!1e1!3m7!1sAOX8gBhFYRffUI_kddh_jA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!9m2!1b1!2i50

I said earlier I will only be impressed if Mullinalaghta show it was not a fluke and at least put it up to Dr Crokes in February.
Mullinalaghta have won the Longford Championship three years in a row so they are hardly an overnight success.
To me the population argument is irrelevant it is about a team organisation and planning.
It is patronising to go on about Mullinalaghta's population, it is not the population that plays the game but the subs and the lads on the pitch.
Which is something that teams at intercounty level could learn from."
Of course population and the available pool of players has a big bearing. The larger the pick, the greater likelihood of more talented and athletic players being available. There's a reason why no club of their size has achieved this. I don't believe there's a single club in Galway of their size that's even intermediate, never mind senior.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 351 - 10/12/2018 15:19:43    2153884

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Replying To gormdubhgorm:  "I looked it up on google maps ( to save me the spin) nice little club house and a flat pitch.

https://www.google.com/maps/@53.8221487,-7.5275844,3a,75y,280.75h,65.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sak5ZsabBlIxebkMm7SclDQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Not much different to Emmets shaughtneil from Derry:

https://www.google.com/maps/@54.8850124,-6.6989261,3a,75y,217.7h,84.32t/data=!3m9!1e1!3m7!1sAOX8gBhFYRffUI_kddh_jA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!9m2!1b1!2i50

I said earlier I will only be impressed if Mullinalaghta show it was not a fluke and at least put it up to Dr Crokes in February.
Mullinalaghta have won the Longford Championship three years in a row so they are hardly an overnight success.
To me the population argument is irrelevant it is about a team organisation and planning.
It is patronising to go on about Mullinalaghta's population, it is not the population that plays the game but the subs and the lads on the pitch.
Which is something that teams at intercounty level could learn from."
That hole is getting very big but sure why not keep digging.

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1400 - 10/12/2018 16:25:41    2153890

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Replying To gormdubhgorm:  "I looked it up on google maps ( to save me the spin) nice little club house and a flat pitch.

https://www.google.com/maps/@53.8221487,-7.5275844,3a,75y,280.75h,65.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sak5ZsabBlIxebkMm7SclDQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Not much different to Emmets shaughtneil from Derry:

https://www.google.com/maps/@54.8850124,-6.6989261,3a,75y,217.7h,84.32t/data=!3m9!1e1!3m7!1sAOX8gBhFYRffUI_kddh_jA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!9m2!1b1!2i50

I said earlier I will only be impressed if Mullinalaghta show it was not a fluke and at least put it up to Dr Crokes in February.
Mullinalaghta have won the Longford Championship three years in a row so they are hardly an overnight success.
To me the population argument is irrelevant it is about a team organisation and planning.
It is patronising to go on about Mullinalaghta's population, it is not the population that plays the game but the subs and the lads on the pitch.
Which is something that teams at intercounty level could learn from."
Not too many care about when you'll be impressed.

Smash and grab is rubbish talk. Mullinaghta were the better team throughout, should have been a few points up at halftime only for a few poor wides.

Maybe you haven't played much sport but I'll explain who wins.. the team that's ahead at the final whistle.

BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 180 - 10/12/2018 16:39:46    2153895

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Replying To gormdubhgorm:  "Teams can get lucky though.
The penalty was caused because of Cian O'Sullivan's stupidity more then anything else."
If he hadn't dragged him down it was a certain goal anyway. The better team won. Of that their is no debate.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 13927 - 10/12/2018 16:57:43    2153897

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Replying To gormdubhgorm:  "I looked it up on google maps ( to save me the spin) nice little club house and a flat pitch.

https://www.google.com/maps/@53.8221487,-7.5275844,3a,75y,280.75h,65.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sak5ZsabBlIxebkMm7SclDQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Not much different to Emmets shaughtneil from Derry:

https://www.google.com/maps/@54.8850124,-6.6989261,3a,75y,217.7h,84.32t/data=!3m9!1e1!3m7!1sAOX8gBhFYRffUI_kddh_jA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!9m2!1b1!2i50

I said earlier I will only be impressed if Mullinalaghta show it was not a fluke and at least put it up to Dr Crokes in February.
Mullinalaghta have won the Longford Championship three years in a row so they are hardly an overnight success.
To me the population argument is irrelevant it is about a team organisation and planning.
It is patronising to go on about Mullinalaghta's population, it is not the population that plays the game but the subs and the lads on the pitch.
Which is something that teams at intercounty level could learn from."
"To me the population argument is irrelevant it is about a team organisation and planning. It is patronising to go on about Mullinalaghta's population, it is not the population that plays the game but the subs and the lads on the pitch"

you really really don't get it... have a look at the following

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/eamonn-sweeney-mullinalaghta-miracle-the-greatest-club-story-ever-told-37610027.html

Here is just a little extract from it..

"Clubs like Mullinalaghta illustrate why the GAA matters so much.

There are places where the club is important to the local community. But in the Mullinalaghtas of this world, the club is the community."

No organising or planning will give you the above, players take the above to the field ....Heart lad, Heart...

ponger (Cavan) - Posts: 397 - 10/12/2018 17:23:14    2153899

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Mammoth achievement agreed by most not everyone, to think of the achievement based on one game alone is idiotic, to be there yesterday was a huge achievement before a ball had been thrown in, not given a hope by anyone to put play the Dublin champions enough said

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5156 - 10/12/2018 17:55:08    2153905

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Replying To gormdubhgorm:  "Teams can get lucky though.
The penalty was caused because of Cian O'Sullivan's stupidity more then anything else."
Your insights are amazing! A future in punditry beckons....
Huge congratulations to Mullinalaghta - the GAA story of the year!

greysoil (Monaghan) - Posts: 302 - 10/12/2018 19:30:15    2153920

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Replying To ponger:  ""To me the population argument is irrelevant it is about a team organisation and planning. It is patronising to go on about Mullinalaghta's population, it is not the population that plays the game but the subs and the lads on the pitch"

you really really don't get it... have a look at the following

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/eamonn-sweeney-mullinalaghta-miracle-the-greatest-club-story-ever-told-37610027.html

Here is just a little extract from it..

"Clubs like Mullinalaghta illustrate why the GAA matters so much.

There are places where the club is important to the local community. But in the Mullinalaghtas of this world, the club is the community."

No organising or planning will give you the above, players take the above to the field ....Heart lad, Heart..."
I am still not having it they got lucky. The implication you have is that Kilmacud does not represent thier community in the same way?
Kilmacud are all local lads they have heart as well. But a mistake towards the end cost them when they looked like they would coast home.
A successful team cannot win on heart alone. That is stuff from films, they have to have a certain level of planning, and organisation or else it would. not work.
In the GAA most clubs are thier community. Fair play to mullinalaghta they won a game with a bit of luck at the end.
But it is exactly the hyperbole of Eamon Sweeney that annoys me. You would swear it is the first major upset in the history of the GAA, and it almost as if Mullinalaghta are the yardstick of 'community' for the rest of the GAA you would swear they invented it.
But most GAA club teams are like this around Ireland.

As for the win itself I would actually be more impressed with Mullinalaghta's three in a row in Longford this shows consistency of performance. Also good team planning. But the Leinster win it was a lucky one, Kilmacud got caught cold towards the end and had not enough time get themselves settled again.
Also the last time Kilmacud won a Dublin championship was eight years ago, which meant that many did not have the experience of playing outside Dublin at club level. They nearly lost to a Portlaoise side who hit wide after wide in a previous round.
Plus Kilmacud are extremely dependent on Paul Mannion performing well.

gormdubhgorm (Dublin) - Posts: 949 - 11/12/2018 00:49:58    2153946

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Small is beautiful !
How can we do the same for the inter-county game ?
Add more teams - let the Dub regions (Finglas etc) take on the Dubs and others (Kerry B etc) - give more players access to the inter-county NFL and AIC !

omahant (USA) - Posts: 1400 - 11/12/2018 03:45:46    2153948

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Replying To omahant:  "Small is beautiful !
How can we do the same for the inter-county game ?
Add more teams - let the Dub regions (Finglas etc) take on the Dubs and others (Kerry B etc) - give more players access to the inter-county NFL and AIC !"
It will happen eventually. But there are too many vested interests.

However, I find this little Mullinalaghta patronising to them that seems to be the main issue to it as far as the media is concerned.
There is nothing about team tactics, planning etc. How they are getting the most out of thier player pool etc?
It is three Longford titles in a row as well.

gormdubhgorm (Dublin) - Posts: 949 - 11/12/2018 09:50:37    2153957

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Replying To gormdubhgorm:  "I am still not having it they got lucky. The implication you have is that Kilmacud does not represent thier community in the same way?
Kilmacud are all local lads they have heart as well. But a mistake towards the end cost them when they looked like they would coast home.
A successful team cannot win on heart alone. That is stuff from films, they have to have a certain level of planning, and organisation or else it would. not work.
In the GAA most clubs are thier community. Fair play to mullinalaghta they won a game with a bit of luck at the end.
But it is exactly the hyperbole of Eamon Sweeney that annoys me. You would swear it is the first major upset in the history of the GAA, and it almost as if Mullinalaghta are the yardstick of 'community' for the rest of the GAA you would swear they invented it.
But most GAA club teams are like this around Ireland.

As for the win itself I would actually be more impressed with Mullinalaghta's three in a row in Longford this shows consistency of performance. Also good team planning. But the Leinster win it was a lucky one, Kilmacud got caught cold towards the end and had not enough time get themselves settled again.
Also the last time Kilmacud won a Dublin championship was eight years ago, which meant that many did not have the experience of playing outside Dublin at club level. They nearly lost to a Portlaoise side who hit wide after wide in a previous round.
Plus Kilmacud are extremely dependent on Paul Mannion performing well."
How many county lads were on the Mullinalaghta team i thought recognised a few, maybe we shouldn't be that surprised, Longford were no slouches at all this year.

Not taking anything away from them of course, utterley deserved and great for the small parish.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 1891 - 11/12/2018 10:18:29    2153963

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Replying To TheUsername:  "How many county lads were on the Mullinalaghta team i thought recognised a few, maybe we shouldn't be that surprised, Longford were no slouches at all this year.

Not taking anything away from them of course, utterley deserved and great for the small parish."
Of the team that started the last day, 5 started against Dublin in the Leinster semi-final this year- 2 Mcgivneys, Rian Brady, Paddy Fox and Donal McElligott. Then you can add to that John Keegan who has been Longfords main midfielder for years and took a year out this year and The captain Shane Mulligan who had played for Longford for more than a decade and would be more than good enough still to play. Gary Rogers, Aidan Mcelligott and Jayson Matthews would all be on the extended Longford panel too and could easily start this year. Mullinalaghta are a very strong club side and although the results was a massive shock, a lot of people in Longford were not surprised by the result the last day. Its a very inspiring story for every rural club side at what can be acheived. On a side note, Longford will find it extremely tough in the league without these players for as long as they are absent.

maximus02 (Longford) - Posts: 94 - 11/12/2018 13:07:15    2153983

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Replying To gormdubhgorm:  "I don't think the win by Mullinalaghta was all that great to be honest it was a smash and grab.
Similar to when Offally beat Kerry in 82.
Or when Dublin beat Kerry in 11
I was far more impressed by Rathnew beating Vincents last year for example. That was a well deserved win.
This win was just a fortunate one.
You would swear it is the first time ever a small country team beat the city slickers the way the papers are going on.
You can only play 15 players at any one time.
Fair play to Mullinalaghta and all that.
But it was a fortunate win.
I hope they beat Dr Crokes and get into the final (prove it was not a fluke)- because then thier name will be always on that list in years to come."
Don't be daft, Mullinalaghta are Leinster Club Champions, end of argument. Do you want judges on the sideline to decide the winner, like boxing, like gymnastics etc. No we have a scoreboard and when the game is over all except complete dimwits or flatearthers know who won and thank goodness for that because if we had judges like you, blinded by the sky blue mist the favourite would always win.

Oh thank for the unpredictability of sport otherwise results would be obtained by posh consensus rather than by sheer unwillingness to give in.

Mullinalaghta Abu.

MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 402 - 11/12/2018 17:46:52    2154010

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Replying To MillerX:  "Don't be daft, Mullinalaghta are Leinster Club Champions, end of argument. Do you want judges on the sideline to decide the winner, like boxing, like gymnastics etc. No we have a scoreboard and when the game is over all except complete dimwits or flatearthers know who won and thank goodness for that because if we had judges like you, blinded by the sky blue mist the favourite would always win.

Oh thank for the unpredictability of sport otherwise results would be obtained by posh consensus rather than by sheer unwillingness to give in.

Mullinalaghta Abu."
I am not blinded by any sky blue mist. I am a northsider for a start Kilmacud are miles away from me.
Fair play to Mullinalaghta, but they got lucky (Just being honest), Kilmacud were coasting trying to play keep ball towards the end, then got caught out and gave a sloppy penalty away, which changed the momentum.

But you are correct in one thing, football teams at inter-county level i(n particular in Leinster) should take a long hard look at themselves in light of the Mullinalaghta result. Particularly former traditional counties like Kildare and Meath. They no longer seem to believe in 'the unpredictability of sport' and give up even before the ball is thrown in when they face the Dubs.

gormdubhgorm (Dublin) - Posts: 949 - 11/12/2018 19:49:18    2154026

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Replying To TheUsername:  "How many county lads were on the Mullinalaghta team i thought recognised a few, maybe we shouldn't be that surprised, Longford were no slouches at all this year.

Not taking anything away from them of course, utterley deserved and great for the small parish."
I looked it up there of the team that beat Meath in the championship last year:
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0527/966357-fired-up-longford-put-14-man-meath-to-the-sword/

There were five Mullinalaghta lads:
Patrick Fox, Donal McElligott, Rian Brady, David McGivney and James McGivney.

That is some going for any club, they must be doing a lot of things right in Mullinalaghta.

gormdubhgorm (Dublin) - Posts: 949 - 12/12/2018 14:00:53    2154089

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