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Limerick-Will They Be A Kilkenny Or A Clare?

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where do people see limerick for next year and on?
given the age profile,they could go on to dominate the game a la kilkenny.
but,they could equally be sated at a young age,and the hunger just wont be there,which regrettably i think has happend to clare.
what do people think?
dont get me wrong by the way,i would love to swap our recent fortunes with either.i am creating a discussion.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 16/11/2018 10:04:57    2151288

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I think neither...if limerick won another all Ireland with this team and say a Munster...that would be regarded as a hugely successful period wouldn't it?

In fact it already is as they have won the All Ireland and nobody can take that away from them.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11230 - 16/11/2018 11:42:28    2151301

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Replying To yew_tree:  "I think neither...if limerick won another all Ireland with this team and say a Munster...that would be regarded as a hugely successful period wouldn't it?

In fact it already is as they have won the All Ireland and nobody can take that away from them."
I don't know it's a very young team 1 more All Ireland for such a young team that's just won one seems like an underachievement for me, I don't expect a Kilkenny type run but you'd have to be looking at least another 2 or 3 more in the next 6 years.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 16/11/2018 11:59:54    2151302

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Not a chance we'll dominate hurling like Kilkenny did.. Too much competition these days, most teams are capable of beating one another.
I certainly don't want to think it'll be 5years before we're back in Croke park either.

We're somewhere in between I hope. If limerick win another one or two All Irelands in the next few years that would be amazing...

I've seen us lose 4 finals and 4 semi finals in my time following the hurlers. That's the context most limerick hurling people have..

skillet (Limerick) - Posts: 1062 - 16/11/2018 13:22:33    2151312

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They have it in them to win more no doubt, I sincerely hope they do , but they wouldn't be the first to crash and burn after one All Ireland, there probably will never be a team to dominate hurling like Kilkenny did and if I ever had to bet who could well I'd go with Kilkenny

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 16/11/2018 13:53:37    2151317

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Nobody will dominate like KK did again, I hope anyway.

If Limerick don't win more, given the age the team is, it will be a serious underachievement. Having said that, would they be my favourites for next year already? No! I don't know why, I think the long season for All-Ireland champions, throw in celebrations which are no doubt going on, and a late club championship afterwards, and throwing a run by Na Piarsaigh in on top of it, means the core of the team could be a tired bunch.

Oh how I'd love to swap the winter that they are no doubt having with them! I'd love to win 1, if we were a Clare or a Kilkenny after that would be academic!!!

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1732 - 16/11/2018 14:03:20    2151320

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I think they 'll win more. History shows that successfull Limerick teams tend to hang around. The 20s team, 30s team won 3, even the 73 team who were old got to the following years final. The 94 and 96 unsuccessfull All Ireland team still hung around. Traditionally in other sports like rugby Limerick teams having staying power..the Shannon AIL team is an example . Of course I could be wrong. There isn't much between 5 or 6 hurling teams.
The thing that irks me is that Munster is way more competitive than Leinster so getting out of Munster is no mean feat . I think going on form if 2 came out of Leinster and 4 from Munster it would be a more honest Championship. There should be a ranking system. If Leinster improved then they could get an extra spot. Dublin and Wexford as things stand are not as good as any Munster team excluding Kerry.

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 16/11/2018 14:30:43    2151323

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Well bloodyban, I think Wexford and Dublin are well capable of beating Tipp/Waterford/etc, but regardless of whether you agree, don't forget why we have the provincial championships in the first place, and it isn't the Leinster counties wanting it.
Karma is the word!

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1732 - 16/11/2018 14:54:00    2151325

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i always said it was beyond me how anyone agreed to the new structure.
while it is great,there is no doubting it is easier for the 3rd team in leinster to make the qualifiers,but conversely there is also the risk that the same team could be relegated if they have a couple of bad matches,that doesn't apply to munster.
there is no perfect solution.
and how badly kerry were shafted by their munster brethren is another days argument altogether!

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 16/11/2018 15:17:21    2151330

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Why does everyryone outside Kerry shed tears for them in hurling?
Kllkenny were the exception and Clare more like the norm. I doubt Limerick will win next year given how difficult it is to put em back to back. Would be surpised though if they didnt win another with this team. Next year is wide open.

ZUL10 (Clare) - Posts: 693 - 16/11/2018 19:33:55    2151352

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No point comparing anyone to that kilkenny team possibly the best to grace croke park won't see a team at that level for a long time, in fairness clare have undoubtedly underachieved sense 2013 but they could possibly should have made the final this year and team and limerick would have been a 50/50.

2019 is so open for example tipp didn't win a game in Munster this year but are capable of going all the way next year.

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 16/11/2018 23:19:20    2151374

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Replying To bloodyban:  "I think they 'll win more. History shows that successfull Limerick teams tend to hang around. The 20s team, 30s team won 3, even the 73 team who were old got to the following years final. The 94 and 96 unsuccessfull All Ireland team still hung around. Traditionally in other sports like rugby Limerick teams having staying power..the Shannon AIL team is an example . Of course I could be wrong. There isn't much between 5 or 6 hurling teams.
The thing that irks me is that Munster is way more competitive than Leinster so getting out of Munster is no mean feat . I think going on form if 2 came out of Leinster and 4 from Munster it would be a more honest Championship. There should be a ranking system. If Leinster improved then they could get an extra spot. Dublin and Wexford as things stand are not as good as any Munster team excluding Kerry."
If you really wanted a "more honest" championship (and clearly you don't ) you would be calling for an open draw or a Champions League-style 2 division championship where every team in the McCarthy Cup is put into a hat and put in the groups based on seeding rather than geography. But no, you want it every way...your sacrosanct Munster championship and then leave to complain about it being too competitive in comparison to Leinster. The one good merit I see in your proposal for 4 teams coming out of Munster is that very quickly it would kill off the Munster championship...so many games to play just to eliminate one team would soon blunt the competitive edge...and then after a period we would then truly be able to move on to a more honest and equal championship structure.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1903 - 17/11/2018 01:12:48    2151378

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Because Kerry are trying to improve hurling and atleast compete at some level in the Liam McCarthy tier but a glass ceiling seems to be thrown at them at every chance by the GAA. If you ranked the hurling counties 1-32, Kerry would easily be around place 13/14, that's good going for a completely football dominated county with hurling only in North Kerry.

On any given day Wexford could always beat Waterford and Cork so would not be blowing smoke up about how strong the Munster championship is.

Kilkenny and Galway will come tearing into that championship again next year and I think it's between both of them to win the All Ireland.

Past hurler (None) - Posts: 725 - 17/11/2018 08:25:29    2151382

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "If you really wanted a "more honest" championship (and clearly you don't ) you would be calling for an open draw or a Champions League-style 2 division championship where every team in the McCarthy Cup is put into a hat and put in the groups based on seeding rather than geography. But no, you want it every way...your sacrosanct Munster championship and then leave to complain about it being too competitive in comparison to Leinster. The one good merit I see in your proposal for 4 teams coming out of Munster is that very quickly it would kill off the Munster championship...so many games to play just to eliminate one team would soon blunt the competitive edge...and then after a period we would then truly be able to move on to a more honest and equal championship structure."
The Munster Championship is sacrosanct. You might not understand it's place in Munster people's minds. Iv often met Galway people who can't get their head around it..Theyve nothing to compare it to. Its a great competition. There has been 60,000 munster final attendances in Limerick for Tipp v cork in the 60s. It brings people from cork city,north Clare, South Tipp, East Waterford, West Limerick and North Kerry together in a unique way in Irelands largest province. It's still huge. Witness Corks attitude to it. The only Munster County that talks it down a little is Clare. Mainly because they have a shocking record in it. But even then Anthony Daly says it was the be all and end all for Clare pre 95..

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 17/11/2018 12:53:50    2151399

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Replying To bloodyban:  "The Munster Championship is sacrosanct. You might not understand it's place in Munster people's minds. Iv often met Galway people who can't get their head around it..Theyve nothing to compare it to. Its a great competition. There has been 60,000 munster final attendances in Limerick for Tipp v cork in the 60s. It brings people from cork city,north Clare, South Tipp, East Waterford, West Limerick and North Kerry together in a unique way in Irelands largest province. It's still huge. Witness Corks attitude to it. The only Munster County that talks it down a little is Clare. Mainly because they have a shocking record in it. But even then Anthony Daly says it was the be all and end all for Clare pre 95.."
Not sure who in Clare talks down the MHC? You dont have to go back any further than this past year to appreicate its greatness as a provincial competition. I think the home games for Clare could see there record in Munster inprove in the future.

ZUL10 (Clare) - Posts: 693 - 17/11/2018 13:44:24    2151404

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Replying To bloodyban:  "The Munster Championship is sacrosanct. You might not understand it's place in Munster people's minds. Iv often met Galway people who can't get their head around it..Theyve nothing to compare it to. Its a great competition. There has been 60,000 munster final attendances in Limerick for Tipp v cork in the 60s. It brings people from cork city,north Clare, South Tipp, East Waterford, West Limerick and North Kerry together in a unique way in Irelands largest province. It's still huge. Witness Corks attitude to it. The only Munster County that talks it down a little is Clare. Mainly because they have a shocking record in it. But even then Anthony Daly says it was the be all and end all for Clare pre 95.."
There was 60k at the Leinster hurling final just 2 years ago....

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1732 - 17/11/2018 13:44:58    2151405

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Replying To bloodyban:  "The Munster Championship is sacrosanct. You might not understand it's place in Munster people's minds. Iv often met Galway people who can't get their head around it..Theyve nothing to compare it to. Its a great competition. There has been 60,000 munster final attendances in Limerick for Tipp v cork in the 60s. It brings people from cork city,north Clare, South Tipp, East Waterford, West Limerick and North Kerry together in a unique way in Irelands largest province. It's still huge. Witness Corks attitude to it. The only Munster County that talks it down a little is Clare. Mainly because they have a shocking record in it. But even then Anthony Daly says it was the be all and end all for Clare pre 95.."
The days of 60k Munster final attendances are long gone and I can't see them coming back.
Believe it or not, I'm not against the Munster championship no more than most non-Munster hurling fans. It produces great games just like it did this year. But it (and Leinster) need to be held as stand alone competitions unconnected to the All Ireland series. The elephant in the room is the National League which, now that the provincials are held on a round robin format, has been rendered a completely useless competition. We dont need another league when there is a mini league already within the championship. The league serves a purpose in football but for all the top hurling teams nowadays
it has become more of a nuisance than anything else when it is not being used as a purely experimental thing. The most interesting aspect of the hurling league in 2019 will be the race to the bottom, to see which of the teams in Div 1A will have the least interest in it. Scrap the league , run your sacred Munster championship (and Leinster championship) instead of it (either as traditional knock out or the new round robin) where all counties would be going hell for leather and producing great games. Then when the provincials are finished, throw all teams in the hat for the All Ireland series and have 2 groups based on seeding rather than geography. That way we will get what everyone wants ...a level playing field.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1903 - 17/11/2018 14:19:04    2151408

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Replying To perfect10:  "where do people see limerick for next year and on?
given the age profile,they could go on to dominate the game a la kilkenny.
but,they could equally be sated at a young age,and the hunger just wont be there,which regrettably i think has happend to clare.
what do people think?
dont get me wrong by the way,i would love to swap our recent fortunes with either.i am creating a discussion."
Most likely, Limerick will be a Clare.
There isn't much between 7 or 8 teams, with any team beating each other on a given day.
Hurling is interesting.....looking forward to 2019.

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 18/11/2018 15:03:50    2151471

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The odds are that they'll be a Clare as it's easier to win one All Ireland as compared to multiple All Ireland's. While Limerick are loaded with great talent so too are a lot of teams.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2120 - 18/11/2018 21:46:03    2151552

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Very hard to see anyone dominate hurling, even doing back to back titles.

I don't think we will win it in 2019 but maybe 2020 we might have a say, purely based on hunger.

Doing back to back titles in modern hurling with the new format would be a huge achievement.

I'd give Kilkenny a great chance of winning the title in 2019. A lot of new hurlers blooded in 2018 and still a top class Manager in charge.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 19/11/2018 15:30:45    2151656

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