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Dubs Drive For 5 - Who Can Stop It?

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A few things would need to happen a real dirty rainy windy day.
A flu epidemic in the the Dublin panel.
At least two Dublin sending's off.
An overall poor Dublin performance - be it caused by stage fright or complacency.
A perfect game from thier opponents including the sideline.

If all of these things happen then yes Dublin can be stopped.

gormdubhgorm (Dublin) - Posts: 954 - 05/11/2018 20:32:15    2149735

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Mayo?? They are back training already, held trial games last week, over 80 players looked at, the standout player ? Head and shoulders above everyone... Andy Moran .. That says it all.

Belclare1 (Galway) - Posts: 1510 - 05/11/2018 20:47:05    2149736

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Replying To Belclare1:  "Mayo?? They are back training already, held trial games last week, over 80 players looked at, the standout player ? Head and shoulders above everyone... Andy Moran .. That says it all."
Mayo are not back in training yet. Yes they had trials where Horan brought in about 100 players with six games being played over the long weekend. He did something similar in 2010 and, if memory serves me right, a young Lee keegan was one of the newcomers who played reasonably well. Andy played a half hour in one game last weekend and scored three points which you would expect from a player who was voted footballer of the year by his peers this time last year. It was an interesting series of games as each team contained a few of last years panel and the rest were mainly young lads, who were put forward by their clubs. There were some very encouraging displays from the younger brigade and I have a feeling we will be seeing a good number of new faces in the new year. Not of course that Galway will have anything to worry about but it is still one small step in the right direction.

Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 874 - 05/11/2018 21:55:08    2149743

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Replying To The_DOC:  "So a Galway team...
- league finalists and AI semi finalists this year,
- Connacht champions 2 of last 3 years,
- Team with a very low avg age and the addition of a few excellent underage teams along with all Ireland club final winning youth
- Return from US and OZ of two exceptional young players (one of which was voted all Ireland club layer of the year this year)
....are no hopers?"
Yep.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 12994 - 05/11/2018 22:03:12    2149745

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Replying To Llaw_Gyffes:  "Mayo are not back in training yet. Yes they had trials where Horan brought in about 100 players with six games being played over the long weekend. He did something similar in 2010 and, if memory serves me right, a young Lee keegan was one of the newcomers who played reasonably well. Andy played a half hour in one game last weekend and scored three points which you would expect from a player who was voted footballer of the year by his peers this time last year. It was an interesting series of games as each team contained a few of last years panel and the rest were mainly young lads, who were put forward by their clubs. There were some very encouraging displays from the younger brigade and I have a feeling we will be seeing a good number of new faces in the new year. Not of course that Galway will have anything to worry about but it is still one small step in the right direction."
I remember Pat Gilroy doing something very similar when he took over , I saw a very raw Cain o Sullivan, Kevin mc , eoghan o gara and a m d mc Cauley take their baby steps , there can be hidden gems hiding in plain sight that just need the right moment to shine

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5157 - 05/11/2018 22:33:55    2149749

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Replying To Belclare1:  "Mayo?? They are back training already, held trial games last week, over 80 players looked at, the standout player ? Head and shoulders above everyone... Andy Moran .. That says it all."
Christ you really get wound up about Mayo...and as has been said, Mayo are not back training yet and no Andy was not the best player during the trials.

Would it make you feel better if everyone here praised Galway and said they are best placed to bear Dublin next year? Grow up child

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 9375 - 05/11/2018 22:41:00    2149752

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Replying To Belclare1:  "Mayo?? They are back training already, held trial games last week, over 80 players looked at, the standout player ? Head and shoulders above everyone... Andy Moran .. That says it all."
We're doomed I tell you......

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 4816 - 05/11/2018 23:14:11    2149757

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Dublin will be difficult to beat in 2019 but they will be beaten at some stage but by who and when is any bodies guess. The only team who came close to them over the last 4 years were Mayo, with all the rest a long way behind.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 1907 - 06/11/2018 00:54:15    2149764

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Replying To Belclare1:  "Mayo?? They are back training already, held trial games last week, over 80 players looked at, the standout player ? Head and shoulders above everyone... Andy Moran .. That says it all."
Zzzzzzzz.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 5979 - 06/11/2018 05:52:41    2149771

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Any team can be beaten on a given day and I would consider Mayo,Kerry,Tyrone ,Galway, Donegal & possibly Monaghan as the ones who could cause an upset.
Look at how fancied Kerry were in '82 and what happened. The 5 in a row hype got to them as was admitted and the rest is history.
There will be silly stuff going on should we make the final and JG will need all his expertise at keeping things focused.
You can only give yourself the opportunity to do it and prepare as best you can.
We are fortunate to be talking about such things as it's such a rarity.
It will be done though some day so why not next August.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 1807 - 06/11/2018 07:33:55    2149774

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Replying To waynoI:  "Yep."
Right!

Care to explain why you think Mayo are more suitable to beat this Dublin team than Galway? I mean we all know you have issues with Galway on here but go on...lets see your reasoning behind why an ageing Mayo team who went out of the championship on the same day as Leitrim this year, is more equipped to beat Dublin than the team that topped the national 'league' before the league then turned into a championship.

The_DOC (Galway) - Posts: 508 - 06/11/2018 08:35:53    2149775

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For ourselves last year was a decent year after the debacle of 2017. An Ulster title is not to be sniffed at even if fortune favoured us in the way the draw and subsequent results panned out. Our younger lads have won provincial honours at underage level so it was good that they could complete the set at senior to build on their momentum and confidence,

We came up short against Dublin obviously but I don't think we're too far off Tyrone. A fully ft Paddy McBrearty could have made a huge difference. We'll also have the likes of Jason McGee, Mícheal Carroll and Epin McHugh to bolster the panel this year. Hopefully Kieran Gillespie's recent injury setback isn't too serious as he'd be a seriously powerful addition to our back line.

We may yet be a bit short of Dublin, but with a full deck I don't think we should fear anyone.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 6104 - 06/11/2018 08:56:08    2149777

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Replying To yew_tree:  "Christ you really get wound up about Mayo...and as has been said, Mayo are not back training yet and no Andy was not the best player during the trials.

Would it make you feel better if everyone here praised Galway and said they are best placed to bear Dublin next year? Grow up child"
Mayo players including most expierienced players playing games with all new management present and having disccussions about playing set ups etc.. Thats back training lads... call it a trial whatever.. namecalling?? Who's the child? Am i not entitled to my opinion?

Belclare1 (Galway) - Posts: 1510 - 06/11/2018 10:27:02    2149795

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Outside of Dublin games , I will be a very interested spectator should Mayo and Galway meet this year , time to finally nail who's top dog in the west form v class interesting

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5157 - 06/11/2018 10:58:59    2149808

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Replying To The_DOC:  "Right!

Care to explain why you think Mayo are more suitable to beat this Dublin team than Galway? I mean we all know you have issues with Galway on here but go on...lets see your reasoning behind why an ageing Mayo team who went out of the championship on the same day as Leitrim this year, is more equipped to beat Dublin than the team that topped the national 'league' before the league then turned into a championship."
Yep of course, absolutely no problem.

Mayo may be an aging team but they've had a very long break thanks to their short season last year which will benefit them. They, despite their age profile, are the only team to get near Dublin in the championship in recent years on a consistent basis and apart from the 2015 semi final replay which we scored 2 late goals in to win by 7 points, weve not beaten them by a margain greater than the kick of a ball in any of our meetings. They've got a new voice in the changing room too and I reckon James Horan will be bringing through some new players next year adding a freshness to things, They'll be rejuvenated.

I don't have Issues with Galway I just don't think youre good enough to challenge Dublin and that's just my view.. I think Mayo and the other 3 I mentioned, are. I respect youd a good league campaign but were talking about challenging Dublin here and if you wanna go by your hugely successful 2018, We played you 3 times, Once in a meaningless league game in Salthill which was a draw. The other two meetings, 1 a final and 1 a straight knock outgame, We beat you by a combined total of 13 points playing the final 15-20 mins of the league final with a man less. When games matter, this Dublin team turn up, Its no coincidence that we draw our first game that meant nothing, In the league final beat you by 4, and then in the most important of the three, The all Ireland semi final, beat you by 9.

You don't have what it takes to compete and beat Dublin in a serious game of football yet.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 12994 - 06/11/2018 11:24:04    2149812

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The only team that would prevent a 5-in-row would be a Dublin team i.e Northside v Southside but that's not going to happen soon. It would be an intriguing game. The Southsiders were on top at club level this year.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 511 - 06/11/2018 11:24:48    2149813

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Replying To Damothedub:  "I remember Pat Gilroy doing something very similar when he took over , I saw a very raw Cain o Sullivan, Kevin mc , eoghan o gara and a m d mc Cauley take their baby steps , there can be hidden gems hiding in plain sight that just need the right moment to shine"
The first time I heard of those type of trials was in the early seventies when Kevin Heffernan took over in Dublin. He contacted all the clubs and asked them to send in two or three of their best players, with an emphasis on the big and mobile rather than the small and skilful. I don't know how many new players the trials threw up but it was the beginning of a very productive era for the Dubs. It was clever on Horans part to include some of the experienced campaigners to give him an idea of where the young lads were at in their development. Personally I'm glad to see Horan back to oversee the rebuilding process. I don't think we will be any danger to the Dubs over the next couple of years, I can't see any bar Kerry troubling them, but hopefully we'll be back in the mix in three or four years time!

Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 874 - 06/11/2018 11:36:43    2149817

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Replying To Damothedub:  "I remember Pat Gilroy doing something very similar when he took over , I saw a very raw Cain o Sullivan, Kevin mc , eoghan o gara and a m d mc Cauley take their baby steps , there can be hidden gems hiding in plain sight that just need the right moment to shine"
The first time I heard of those type of trials was in the early seventies when Kevin Heffernan took over in Dublin. He contacted all the clubs and asked them to send in two or three of their best players, with an emphasis on the big and mobile rather than the small and skilful. I don't know how many new players the trials threw up but it was the beginning of a very productive era for the Dubs. It was clever on Horans part to include some of the experienced campaigners to give him an idea of where the young lads were at in their development. Personally I'm glad to see Horan back to oversee the rebuilding process. I don't think we will be any danger to the Dubs over the next couple of years, I can't see any bar Kerry troubling them, but hopefully we'll be back in the mix in three or four years time!

Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 874 - 06/11/2018 11:36:43    2149818

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Replying To Belclare1:  "Mayo players including most expierienced players playing games with all new management present and having disccussions about playing set ups etc.. Thats back training lads... call it a trial whatever.. namecalling?? Who's the child? Am i not entitled to my opinion?"
How can there be training when a squad hasn't been picked yet? Here's my own take on the difference between trials and training.

Trials:

Scouting for a list of candidates who could be good enough to be county players. Having trial games to narrow down the field for smaller group to make the county squad. 'Yer man had trials for Mayo but he wasn't good enough this year to make the squad'.

Training:

Group manoeuvres designed to improve skills, fitness and teamwork, usuall y, but not inclusively including foitball.
'Yer man was very good at the Mayo trials. He was picked for the FBD squad but he'll need to improve to make the squad for the league. He's training with the squad twice a week.'.

Slagging aside I wouldn't be so quick to rule out Galway. They toke great strides in 2018 and if they improve at the same rate in 2019 will definitely be contenders, plus any team that has Damien Comer should be feared and respected. Hard to know what we'll do under James Horan this time around. We need to get more from play from our forwards while we try to get better replacements. Too much emphasis on scores from Andy and Cillian. We need two or three freetakers to free up Cillian to contribute more from play. Hopefully Horan will have learned from how Rochford peaked us for the '16 and '17 finals whereas he seemed to peak us earlier and we can still be contenders.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 4816 - 06/11/2018 11:49:23    2149825

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "How can there be training when a squad hasn't been picked yet? Here's my own take on the difference between trials and training.

Trials:

Scouting for a list of candidates who could be good enough to be county players. Having trial games to narrow down the field for smaller group to make the county squad. 'Yer man had trials for Mayo but he wasn't good enough this year to make the squad'.

Training:

Group manoeuvres designed to improve skills, fitness and teamwork, usuall y, but not inclusively including foitball.
'Yer man was very good at the Mayo trials. He was picked for the FBD squad but he'll need to improve to make the squad for the league. He's training with the squad twice a week.'.

Slagging aside I wouldn't be so quick to rule out Galway. They toke great strides in 2018 and if they improve at the same rate in 2019 will definitely be contenders, plus any team that has Damien Comer should be feared and respected. Hard to know what we'll do under James Horan this time around. We need to get more from play from our forwards while we try to get better replacements. Too much emphasis on scores from Andy and Cillian. We need two or three freetakers to free up Cillian to contribute more from play. Hopefully Horan will have learned from how Rochford peaked us for the '16 and '17 finals whereas he seemed to peak us earlier and we can still be contenders."
GnR

The thread is asking who can stop Dublin not about them being contenders. They can put it up to anyone, they can beat a Mayo, or a Kerry on their day which weve seen, but can they beat Dublin ? That's where im ruling them out point blank. They wont beat Dublin in an all Ireland semi final or a final next summer. They just wont and im sorry if that opinion irks a few Galway men on here, I just don't think they have it even if a few players come back from the other side of the world. Dublin will be ravenous next year and they can even afford to lose a couple of games before making a semi final, And the way I see it now is that IF Dublin make it to the semi finals next year, Itll be very hard to see anyone beat them, but if they are, itll be Mayo, Kerry, Tyrone or Donegal.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 12994 - 06/11/2018 12:00:51    2149831

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