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Beggan had an absolutely cracking year and deserved the goalie spot. He was spectacular at times and the only blemish is the daft shot he took on towards the end of the semi. Yes Cluxton should have won the award at times in the past and didn't but I don't think he was hard done by this year at all. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 01/11/2018 19:10:51 2149154 Link
Replying To PressureKick: "Hard see how McHugh deserved it over Murphy though for example? Murphy was equally as good in Ulster, phenomenal against Roscommon and better vs Tyrone where Ryan was quiet. Both were quiet vs Dublin although Ryan has a few good moments. Neither remotely deserves it over Shane Walsh however. Having Cavanagh in MF, Howard wing forward and Eoghan ban at CB would be acceptable but McHugh in there is a bit baffling" Whoever picks these all stars are a joke. Cluxton by far the batter goalie and Kavanagh at full back another joke. Why can't they choose players that actually play in these positions. Crossgaa (Mayo) - Posts: 553 - 01/11/2018 19:14:42 2149156 Link
Replying To gotmilk: "He has won 5. What year was he head and shoulders over the winner? Possibly 2017 I'd have given it to him over Clarke but it was tight none the less." Last year wasn't even close Cluxton didn't put a foot wrong last year he was outstanding all year I can't even nit pic a mistake he made last season cause there wasn't any, who won in '15 I can't remember? I said already I've no complaints with Beggan winning he had a great year my complaint is more that not one year in a 4 in a row winning team our most important player wasn't recognized, for me that's wrong and for me it feels personal. Just a little reminder to people picking out Cluxton's mistakes which get more highlight cause he's such a big name in the game, one poster earlier picked out stuff in every game this year for Dublin jesus, I couldn't even tell you who Monaghan played this year apart from the big ones; Durkan lost donegal the all Ireland in '14 harsh on durkan but it's true but stil won an all star Clarke was dropped in '16 for football final replay but still won an all star Clarke's last two kicks in '17 won us the all Ireland but still won an all star At the end of the game when the pressure is on most Cluxton is rock solid clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 01/11/2018 20:03:31 2149172 Link
Replying To GeniusGerry: "Beggan had an absolutely cracking year and deserved the goalie spot. He was spectacular at times and the only blemish is the daft shot he took on towards the end of the semi. Yes Cluxton should have won the award at times in the past and didn't but I don't think he was hard done by this year at all." Began mistake was also the reason they lost against Fermanagh so not his only blemish dubshurling7 (Dublin) - Posts: 1017 - 01/11/2018 20:17:29 2149174 Link
Replying To Crossgaa: "Whoever picks these all stars are a joke. Cluxton by far the batter goalie and Kavanagh at full back another joke. Why can't they choose players that actually play in these positions." By far, really? The Cluxton outcry has gone to a whole new level this year. Yes, it's a joke he hasn't won an all star since 2013, but that's not Beggan's fault and it shouldn't take away his deserved award. I'm sure Cluxton is quite content with his modest lot over his career regardless. patk (Monaghan) - Posts: 936 - 01/11/2018 20:20:06 2149175 Link
Replying To dubshurling7: "Began mistake was also the reason they lost against Fermanagh so not his only blemish" Forgot that, still had a tremendous year and lit up the Super 8's with his kicking, all the faux outrage over Cluxtons omission in some quarters is a bit much. It's amazing that he hasn't won one since 2013 though. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 01/11/2018 21:03:52 2149180 Link
Dublin were so dominant this year, I expected them to get at least nine All Stars. Tyrone can have no complaints with two. tireoghainabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 274 - 01/11/2018 21:06:29 2149182 Link
Cluxton does a great job for the Dubs and has revolutionised goalkeeping, but he has had superior quality players to work with in perfecting his kickouts. This does not make him the best overall keeper. His handling and command of the area have been on the slide since 2015 and to be given the allstar all aspects of his game should be analysis. 2016 and 2017 David Clarke had the best alround game as had rory beggen in 2018. This the only bone of contention I have with the Dubs. The only one cluxton should feel hard done on was 2014 when Durkan won it. It would be more of a shock and outrage to me if Brian Howard does not win young player of the year. He had much more impact that David Clifford throughout the championship. Jonnycee (Longford) - Posts: 185 - 01/11/2018 21:58:32 2149190 Link
The only thing that annoys me more than the all stars every year is peoples spelling of Cavanagh! tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 01/11/2018 22:09:25 2149192 Link
Replying To clondalkindub: "Last year wasn't even close Cluxton didn't put a foot wrong last year he was outstanding all year I can't even nit pic a mistake he made last season cause there wasn't any, who won in '15 I can't remember? I said already I've no complaints with Beggan winning he had a great year my complaint is more that not one year in a 4 in a row winning team our most important player wasn't recognized, for me that's wrong and for me it feels personal. Just a little reminder to people picking out Cluxton's mistakes which get more highlight cause he's such a big name in the game, one poster earlier picked out stuff in every game this year for Dublin jesus, I couldn't even tell you who Monaghan played this year apart from the big ones; Durkan lost donegal the all Ireland in '14 harsh on durkan but it's true but stil won an all star Clarke was dropped in '16 for football final replay but still won an all star Clarke's last two kicks in '17 won us the all Ireland but still won an all star At the end of the game when the pressure is on most Cluxton is rock solid" Let's be honest it's picked by the media, I honestly don't believe the vast majority of the media watch as much football as fans do given some of the reporting and analysis. You may have a point, Cluxton gives absolutely nothing to the media and that's them like mushrooms. I think he gets more of a kick out of that then winning all stars I do to to be honest. Let's be honest in 30 years time no one will remember Clarke or Beggan good keepers as they are the same way as Cluxton. He will go down as the greatest, ultimately that's what counts. No one does keepers like Dublin really, we have a proud lineage. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 01/11/2018 22:14:46 2149193 Link
Replying To patk: "By far, really? The Cluxton outcry has gone to a whole new level this year. Yes, it's a joke he hasn't won an all star since 2013, but that's not Beggan's fault and it shouldn't take away his deserved award. I'm sure Cluxton is quite content with his modest lot over his career regardless." Would agree , the outrage is more over a consistently being over looked as opposed to Beggan who is an outstanding keeper Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 01/11/2018 22:29:47 2149195 Link
Will Cluxton go down as the best goalkeeper ever? Maybe, but dont know would I say he revolutionised goalkeeping. He set the standard for accuracy from kickouts, for shot stopping hes good but many just as good, for high balls hes not good, temperament wasnt good but has improved the last few years. He started playing in 2001 i think and he was dodgey, liable to do anything like get himself sent off. It was the last 6/7 years his kickouts made him standout but where were these kickouts the years before that. Is it the fact hes got probably the best team infront of him that always manage to get someone free for him to hit. Now he still has to hit them and he does with great consistency but in a different team with different set up would he still be as good? I dont think so, and it would be all his fault. tommy132 (Mayo) - Posts: 600 - 01/11/2018 23:21:50 2149201 Link
Cluxton should have been fullback by the way these people picked the team :) Didn't brian Cody win man of the match in a all Ireland final a few years back even though he wasn't playing? Pure GAA LOL brisbane (Galway) - Posts: 674 - 01/11/2018 23:50:59 2149204 Link
Replying To GeniusGerry: "Forgot that, still had a tremendous year and lit up the Super 8's with his kicking, all the faux outrage over Cluxtons omission in some quarters is a bit much. It's amazing that he hasn't won one since 2013 though." Honestly Gerry it's nothing against Beggan he's well deserving it's no all star at all in 4 years that's annoying Dubs more than anything. Cluxton makes a mistake 5 years ago most people remember it even 15 years ago it's remember and held against him for not getting an award. Drew and Ryan Wylie can feel very hard done by also Ban Gallagher Damien Comer Dean Rock and Shane Walsh imo. clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 02/11/2018 00:25:38 2149206 Link
Folks, success is measured in Celtic crosses and not all-star awards. I know Stephen well and believe me when I say he couldn't give a flying fk. I'm pretty sure it means more to lads from the less successful counties and maybe young lads starting out, like Clifford and Howard. Then you have Pat Spillane saying they meant almost as much as the winners medals to him but that says more about Pat than anything else. realdub (Dublin)** - Posts: 8585 - 02/11/2018 06:35:18 2149211 Link
Lets go through some points. 1. Frees Cluxton has not won an All-Star since Dean Rock started taking the frees! Remember the abuse Cluxton got for free taking? People talking about bringing in rules to put a clock on each free to stop keepers taking them etc. When Cluxton stopped taking frees, it was, considered an art form when other keepers did it. The fact Beggan takes the frees means there is a flaw in the Monaghan team (no long range taker). Dublin plugged this flaw but Cluxton is considered less for it. 2. Long range kick outs. People seem to forget Cluxton in the Semi aginst Kerry for Kevin Mc's goal, first kick out against Tryone last year, the kick out to Jack Mc this year to kick start us in the Final. Cluxton can kick it as long and as accruate as Beggan.....so people don't push up so he goes short. Cluxton's long kick outs have turned games. 3. Pressure Since his mistakes are so rare Cluxton's are amplified. But when the real pressure is on, take '16 and '17 finals, he misses nothing. The guy is at nearly 100% kick out possession in tight games in big finals. its mad. People say it is becuase he goes short, NO! It is becuase teams back off as they prefer to try and force Dublin to play it up 90Ms rather than let Cluxtion open them up with one of his long kick outs. 4. Leadership This is hard to see and measure especially with Cluxton as he is no a public speaker. But he runs that defense and he is the team leader that players follow. Hard to put a weight on this but with so many stars in a dressing room and they respect one man like they do says a lot. Yes he is a driven headbanger but all good goalkeepers are not normal. Every Dublin game analysis is given over to Cluxton and how he is the launch pad for every Dublin attack, how if you can't close him down your doomed............................yet he is not good enough to win an All-Star. Dubs are 'clowns' for even suggesting he should get it etc. The silver lining for Dublin? We know he has been disrespected in not getting an All-Star since 2013, the players around him know he has been disrepected and so he will not be allowed retire and they will go an win a 5 in a row for him and, as Captain, his legendary status will be forever cemented. Then when he wins the All-Star he won't be arsed turning up :) :) :) witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 02/11/2018 08:33:44 2149215 Link
Replying To Crossgaa: "Whoever picks these all stars are a joke. Cluxton by far the batter goalie and Kavanagh at full back another joke. Why can't they choose players that actually play in these positions." Is James Kavanagh still playing football? Crazy they can pick a forward and put him at full back like that. gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 02/11/2018 09:27:38 2149221 Link
It needs to be done similar to the way the ladies do it with 3 players nominated for each position and players get an all star for the position they mainly played in and not accomadating players in other position just to give them an all star like Cavanagh in full back. My team would be Cluxton Cooper hampsey ban Gallagher O'Connell McCarthy McCaffrey Fenton Cavanagh Howard Kilkenny Walsh Mannion McManus Clifford Cluxton / beggan ,ban Gallagher / Ryan Wylie and Burke/mannion were the only tough decisions in my eyes that could of gone either way but it's all about our opinions All stars have turned into a joke tho and not many people really care anymore which is an unfortunate thing Galwayjoe86 (Galway) - Posts: 258 - 02/11/2018 09:29:50 2149224 Link
Replying To clondalkindub: "Honestly Gerry it's nothing against Beggan he's well deserving it's no all star at all in 4 years that's annoying Dubs more than anything. Cluxton makes a mistake 5 years ago most people remember it even 15 years ago it's remember and held against him for not getting an award. Drew and Ryan Wylie can feel very hard done by also Ban Gallagher Damien Comer Dean Rock and Shane Walsh imo." I know. I'd agree it's crazy, he should probably have 2-3 minimum since 2013. I understand where you are coming from with his mistakes being highlighted more but his profile works both ways. Would he be considered the best ever if he happened to be born in Cork or Monaghan? I very much doubt it. People will look for reasons to have a pop at big players, not long ago it was Gooch who didn't show up on big days etc. The goalkeeper position is particularly unforgiving though. At the end of the day I doubt he gives a hoot, he has five Celtic Crosses at home and will never have to but a pint in Dublin in his lifetime. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 02/11/2018 09:50:41 2149225 Link
Replying To Galwayjoe86: "It needs to be done similar to the way the ladies do it with 3 players nominated for each position and players get an all star for the position they mainly played in and not accomadating players in other position just to give them an all star like Cavanagh in full back. My team would be Cluxton Cooper hampsey ban Gallagher O'Connell McCarthy McCaffrey Fenton Cavanagh Howard Kilkenny Walsh Mannion McManus Clifford Cluxton / beggan ,ban Gallagher / Ryan Wylie and Burke/mannion were the only tough decisions in my eyes that could of gone either way but it's all about our opinions All stars have turned into a joke tho and not many people really care anymore which is an unfortunate thing" Colm Cavanagh spent more time around his full back line than in midfield this year. gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 02/11/2018 10:19:46 2149228 Link

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