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Dual Players

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I was listening to the up roar about the Wicklow champions being forced to play 2 games in 24 hours. The Wicklow county board seemed to blame the delay on facilitating dual players in previous rounds.

Now for what it is worth here is my opinion!

Hurling and Football competitions should be run separately. It is hard enough to fit all games into the calendar without trying to ensure there is no clashes between different codes. By all means facilitate each other where it is practical and straight forward but the integrity of one competition should not be put at risk to facilitate dual players.

Remember dual players are the minority. Great if they can be facilitated but not at all cost.

Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 751 - 31/10/2018 12:26:20    2148854

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The onus has to be on the county board to facilitate its clubs/players in meaningful competition. Clubs/players are not governed by two separate sporting bodies they are one and the same body. If the county board cannot organise competitions to accommodate the games they are responsible for then the problem is the county board. Time for a change of personnel who are better organised and with people who have a better understanding of the county boards responsibilities.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 3848 - 31/10/2018 13:12:36    2148861

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In a county like Wexford they are not the minority.
What needs to happen is that club fixtures, and discipline, are taken out of co board (and thus clubs) hands and managed centrally.
That way, the GAA calls the shots, not the county manager.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 152 - 31/10/2018 13:57:39    2148873

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Replying To Mayonman:  "I was listening to the up roar about the Wicklow champions being forced to play 2 games in 24 hours. The Wicklow county board seemed to blame the delay on facilitating dual players in previous rounds.

Now for what it is worth here is my opinion!

Hurling and Football competitions should be run separately. It is hard enough to fit all games into the calendar without trying to ensure there is no clashes between different codes. By all means facilitate each other where it is practical and straight forward but the integrity of one competition should not be put at risk to facilitate dual players.

Remember dual players are the minority. Great if they can be facilitated but not at all cost."
Dual players at club level would be a large proportion in many counties. From my own club's point of view, our football and hurling teams are almost the exact same lads.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 333 - 31/10/2018 14:09:44    2148879

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "Dual players at club level would be a large proportion in many counties. From my own club's point of view, our football and hurling teams are almost the exact same lads."
same for us

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3002 - 31/10/2018 16:11:31    2148906

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "Dual players at club level would be a large proportion in many counties. From my own club's point of view, our football and hurling teams are almost the exact same lads."
Fair point. I presume in some areas the hurlers and footballers also make up the local rugby or soccer teams also. For these small parishes they don't have much choice but to use the same players to keep the club alive. To be honest I hadn't thought of this before posting.

That's a bigger question for the GAA to address and out of my pay grade!

Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 751 - 01/11/2018 10:38:41    2148993

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Replying To Mayonman:  "Fair point. I presume in some areas the hurlers and footballers also make up the local rugby or soccer teams also. For these small parishes they don't have much choice but to use the same players to keep the club alive. To be honest I hadn't thought of this before posting.

That's a bigger question for the GAA to address and out of my pay grade!"
Yeah, down here it's not dual players it's dual clubs. Dublin and the example of kilmacud or ballyboden where they have very few crossover players is very much the exception....the majority of clubs would have football and hurling teams made up from the same players and singular code players would be more of a minority

tipp11 (Tipperary) - Posts: 316 - 01/11/2018 11:48:39    2149019

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Do Kilmacud Crokes players have to choose hurling or football?

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 152 - 01/11/2018 16:29:03    2149123

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "Do Kilmacud Crokes players have to choose hurling or football?"
No....It's just there pick of players is so huge that they are pretty much 2 seperate club or at least that's how I take it. I'm sure players would play both but not with the 1st teams, 1st team hurlers might play football with 2nd or 3rd teams but I'm only guessing that

tipp11 (Tipperary) - Posts: 316 - 02/11/2018 10:28:04    2149229

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Most GAA Players do not try to play both hurling and football at a serious level. There are some places as in wexford and offaly where they do and there are exceptions everywhere.

Dual players should be facilitated but over facilitating them has a price which is paid by mainly county players who do not have a recovery period in the year and club players with a disjointed calender.

Obvious fair solution would be to expect dual players to play 2 games occasionally in a week but not 2 days in a row. And Clubs could facilitate them by a policy of players choosing which first team they prioritise and in the other code play on lower/recreational team and maybe sub on 1st team. Club will be rewarded long term for putting player welfare 1st. There should be better loyalty, Longevitity of player participation, and less injury problems at business end of championship.
Which is more important to your club ,The Players, or the hangers on who want every match won.

Ashrules (Dublin) - Posts: 194 - 02/11/2018 11:09:58    2149240

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In Wexford there are 12 teams in senior in both hurling and football.

6 teams are both senior hurling and senior football with largely the same players plating both. Fethard, St Anne's, Shelmaliers, Glynn, Rapps/Stars, St Martin's. 3 of these clubs made the semi finals of both hurling and football.

2 more senior hurling clubs are intermediate football - Ferns and Gorey.

1 is Junior - Oylegate

3 are hurling only clubs - Harriers, Rathnure and Oulart.

There has to be room for both. This business of expecting club players to choose is not fair, and any county board who does that should consider themselves incompetent.

890202 (Wexford) - Posts: 977 - 02/11/2018 12:09:43    2149251

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