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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "Can anyone here tell me, at what time was the original fixture between Ballyboden and Clonkill supposed to take place last Sunday?
I had Ballyboden in a 5 selection accum. Ordinarily that would make it a losing docket but the large bookmaker with whom I placed the bet clearly state in their rules that if a GAA match is not played within 48 hours of the original fixture the selection is declared void for betting purposes. The game was played at 8pm last night which I know is something like 53 hours after the original fixture so legally they should be obliged to pay me on the 4 results I had correct but at the moment they are refusing to do so. I need to have all the facts before I take this further so would be grateful if someone could tell me at what time last Sunday it was originally fixed for. Thanks."
Ballyboden drew so it's a losing docket anyway! Forget about it.

kevdog (Westmeath) - Posts: 114 - 08/11/2018 10:21:10    2150174

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "Thanks hocles for that. What particularly enraged me is that the same company invoked that 48 hour rule 6 months ago when I was expecting to collect on a winning bet on a game that was postponed for 7 days. They only refunded me my stake money then....now they are attempting to get away with waiving the same rule when it has worked against them.
Yes it's a great competition. Hard to figure out yet who will be collecting the trophy on St. Patrick's Day. At this stage I'd say NAP."
I have a similar issue with the moment as I was waiting on ballyboden for a 9 fold. I could have covered last legbut I read website rules and it states if over 48 hours it is void. They made the rules not you. if you want to pm or email me on this as I don't want to hijack the thread on my this great competition .et me no how you go.

hocles (Offaly) - Posts: 2 - 08/11/2018 10:30:47    2150177

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Replying To kevdog:  "Ballyboden drew so it's a losing docket anyway! Forget about it."
There's a famous quote attributed to Mark Twain which begins..." Better to remain silent.......". I suggest you google it. You may learn something about yourself.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1286 - 08/11/2018 13:17:10    2150197

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Replying To kevdog:  "Ballyboden drew so it's a losing docket anyway! Forget about it."
There's a famous quote attributed to Mark Twain which begins..." Better to remain silent.......". I suggest you google it. You may learn something about yourself.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1286 - 08/11/2018 13:21:00    2150199

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Replying To perfect10:  "it was a great game.i still cant understand why the galway and antrim champions are not in leinster.

in unrelated news,i was also DELIGHTED to see gorey beating camross after what happened in the laois co. final."
It's hard to understand any systems reference Club Championship.... here is us in Galway playing our County Final near the end of November after most Provenional Finals have been played???!!

katser (Galway) - Posts: 669 - 08/11/2018 21:39:17    2150288

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Replying To katser:  "It's hard to understand any systems reference Club Championship.... here is us in Galway playing our County Final near the end of November after most Provenional Finals have been played???!!"
I don't understand the complaint about Galway and their club Hurling scene. Many complain that they don't play any provincial matches or that they have an easy route and I say BS to both. It's not like they are laying in bed while Munster or Leinster matches are going on. They're hammering each other just like the rest. I mean to give SOME what they want the Galway champs would have to play the Roscommon or Mayo, etc champs and what good would that do anyone? There's nothing EASY about winning in Galway.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 459 - 08/11/2018 22:48:41    2150295

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "Can anyone here tell me, at what time was the original fixture between Ballyboden and Clonkill supposed to take place last Sunday?
I had Ballyboden in a 5 selection accum. Ordinarily that would make it a losing docket but the large bookmaker with whom I placed the bet clearly state in their rules that if a GAA match is not played within 48 hours of the original fixture the selection is declared void for betting purposes. The game was played at 8pm last night which I know is something like 53 hours after the original fixture so legally they should be obliged to pay me on the 4 results I had correct but at the moment they are refusing to do so. I need to have all the facts before I take this further so would be grateful if someone could tell me at what time last Sunday it was originally fixed for. Thanks."
They have to pay out on the 4-fold. The original Ballyboden v Clonkill fixture is null and void- as would any game that did not throw-in for whatever reason.

Now, if the game started and was abandoned it would be a different story. But this isn't the case, so enjoy your windfall...

streaker (Galway) - Posts: 348 - 09/11/2018 01:01:10    2150311

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Replying To Trump2020:  "I don't understand the complaint about Galway and their club Hurling scene. Many complain that they don't play any provincial matches or that they have an easy route and I say BS to both. It's not like they are laying in bed while Munster or Leinster matches are going on. They're hammering each other just like the rest. I mean to give SOME what they want the Galway champs would have to play the Roscommon or Mayo, etc champs and what good would that do anyone? There's nothing EASY about winning in Galway."
Galway Championship is dragged on too long. The last county in Ireland to play their county final!!

katser (Galway) - Posts: 669 - 09/11/2018 08:20:25    2150316

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I dunno..maybe ill get slated..but you could nearly start a connacht senior champ again....over 10 years ago when it was dropped the teams from mayo and roscommon were out of their depth but I think they are stronger again...cappataggle were intermediate in galway not long ago and if I think right tooreen or ballyhaunis gave them a close game and cappy could have got to the senior final this year in galway, so im not sure would the mayo champs or possibly the roscommon ones be hammered out the gate either

preddan (Kildare) - Posts: 412 - 09/11/2018 13:30:35    2150379

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Replying To hocles:  "I have a similar issue with the moment as I was waiting on ballyboden for a 9 fold. I could have covered last legbut I read website rules and it states if over 48 hours it is void. They made the rules not you. if you want to pm or email me on this as I don't want to hijack the thread on my this great competition .et me no how you go."
Last word on this...don't think we have the facility to email or pm... After cogently putting my case to them and making it clear I was prepared to go to the Small Claims Court to get paid what they legally owe me, they have grudgingly agreed to pay out on the four fold "as a gesture of goodwill" (some "goodwill"). Best of luck on pressing your own case to get what you are owed. Legally they don't have a leg to stand on.

Now back to the hurling.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1286 - 09/11/2018 17:18:03    2150420

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Replying To katser:  "Galway Championship is dragged on too long. The last county in Ireland to play their county final!!"
But whether the Galway teams are hurling each other or against some other county they are STILL hurling. To give you what you want it would seem you either want LESS teams involved or matches played midweek, etc. What's your suggestion especially in a year when Galway gets to the All Ireland Final?

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 459 - 09/11/2018 20:18:07    2150458

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Replying To Trump2020:  "But whether the Galway teams are hurling each other or against some other county they are STILL hurling. To give you what you want it would seem you either want LESS teams involved or matches played midweek, etc. What's your suggestion especially in a year when Galway gets to the All Ireland Final?"
Go back to the old system 20 Senior teams, 4 groups of 5, each team play 4 games, top 2 from each group into the Quarter Final.

katser (Galway) - Posts: 669 - 09/11/2018 20:32:18    2150460

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Replying To katser:  "Go back to the old system 20 Senior teams, 4 groups of 5, each team play 4 games, top 2 from each group into the Quarter Final."
Interesting idea but why did they get away from that?

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 459 - 10/11/2018 04:08:52    2150479

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Replying To Trump2020:  "Interesting idea but why did they get away from that?"
Because they wanted to make it a 24 team Championship and give Clubs in Intermediate the chance to play Senior hence the reason they had no relegation from Senior for 3 years. So now there is 24 teams in Senior and only 13 teams in Intermediate??

katser (Galway) - Posts: 669 - 10/11/2018 12:07:30    2150502

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Replying To katser:  "Because they wanted to make it a 24 team Championship and give Clubs in Intermediate the chance to play Senior hence the reason they had no relegation from Senior for 3 years. So now there is 24 teams in Senior and only 13 teams in Intermediate??"
Ha ha ha. Galway Abu!

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 459 - 10/11/2018 22:39:31    2150545

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Replying To bloodyban:  "In their counties they are top sides obviously. I think ballygunnar have some very good hurlers but lack size and athletic ability. It's the opposite for Ballyea..they have some terrible hurlers but are big and strong.. They have Kelly and few more and great honesty but they are a mediocre side."
I think you are being a little harsh on both teams. Ballygunner should give NAP a good run for their money.

Ballyea can't be that bad if they got to an All-Ireland club final.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2439 - 11/11/2018 05:15:10    2150552

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Maybe I am. But Ballyea have some fellas tgat can't strike off their weak sides. Your as good as your worst man in Hurling. Ballygunnar will give Na Piarsaigh a good battle I think but it's very hard to see them winning.

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1142 - 11/11/2018 11:11:08    2150558

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Replying To bloodyban:  "Maybe I am. But Ballyea have some fellas tgat can't strike off their weak sides. Your as good as your worst man in Hurling. Ballygunnar will give Na Piarsaigh a good battle I think but it's very hard to see them winning."
NAP should be the favorites to win it all but of course you never know. Lots of good Hurling to be played.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 459 - 11/11/2018 16:55:31    2150603

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Replying To Killarney.87:  "I think you are being a little harsh on both teams. Ballygunner should give NAP a good run for their money.

Ballyea can't be that bad if they got to an All-Ireland club final."
Ballyhea did get to a final, but a number of things went their way that year, although no one could say they are a poor team, as they have just won two Clare Championships and taken a good Ballygunner to two bouts of extra time in their own backyard. Nevertheless, they met a Glen Rovers team in Munster the year they won, who very lucky to beat Patrickswell, the poorest team to win the Limerick Championship in the past ten years and I have seen them all. They got over Thurles Sarsfields, a team which never seems to rise to its undoubted potential in Munster, in an earlier round, and a Galway Champion side who seemed average and of course they well beaten by Cuala. Last year by contrast Cuala only got over NAP after a tightly fought replay with Mike Casey gone off for the second half and at least going on their county final and Clonoulty performances they (NAP) seem a much improved team this year.
However, only time will tell.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 2249 - 11/11/2018 19:58:01    2150649

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Replying To preddan:  "I dunno..maybe ill get slated..but you could nearly start a connacht senior champ again....over 10 years ago when it was dropped the teams from mayo and roscommon were out of their depth but I think they are stronger again...cappataggle were intermediate in galway not long ago and if I think right tooreen or ballyhaunis gave them a close game and cappy could have got to the senior final this year in galway, so im not sure would the mayo champs or possibly the roscommon ones be hammered out the gate either"
The gap between Galway and Mayo/Roscommon is quite probably bigger than ever. In 13 years of competition, the Galway intermediate champions have lost 1 game in Connacht.

Putting their senior champions against each other would just lead to a slaughtering every year.

CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1235 - 11/11/2018 22:36:07    2150692

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