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Experimental Rule Changes Proposed For Gaelic Football

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Replying To neverright:  "Ah! guesswork, the perfect answer to all problems."
That's the way the world works - refs call freed for infringements judged - others don't see it - everything can't depend on computer programmes.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 1356 - 12/10/2018 19:14:18    2146284

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Replying To Whammo86:  "Ah you see, I think going my way you will get to see some teams playing long.

If a team is being pressed in a 4,3,2,3,2 by their opposition, they will want to try to get men forward to beat the press by using a long ball.

Transitions will continue to be important but it will be the transition from defense to attack which will be interesting."
It might make sense for teams to go long but mainly to a big man who can field the ball (if the mark is brought in) but how often would there be enough space for a ball being kicked long for a teammate to run into space to collect, as the opposition still probably have too many players blocking space. Watching a forward run out in front of the defender into space to collect a ball which has been kicked long is great to watch in Gaelic football. Encouraging kicking in football is not only about getting more high fielding back to the game but this as well (Funny enough extending the mark is a rule that I would not like to see coming in as I think that change the game into to a much more start-stop game)

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 476 - 13/10/2018 13:06:55    2146336

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Replying To bdbuddah:  "It might make sense for teams to go long but mainly to a big man who can field the ball (if the mark is brought in) but how often would there be enough space for a ball being kicked long for a teammate to run into space to collect, as the opposition still probably have too many players blocking space. Watching a forward run out in front of the defender into space to collect a ball which has been kicked long is great to watch in Gaelic football. Encouraging kicking in football is not only about getting more high fielding back to the game but this as well (Funny enough extending the mark is a rule that I would not like to see coming in as I think that change the game into to a much more start-stop game)"
You know I agree with a lot of what you are saying.

I like all those things that you state also. Forwards coming out to collect the ball, maybe have a little jink then take his man on.

I think that will also happen too.

Good attacks have depth and width . Variety. Different options, to be flexible to be able to play against different styles. To be able to find solutions to win.

You need to have a long option and it's good to have an option moving towards the ball.

You need to have forward options. At the minute the top teams are still working through how to transition from everyone behind the ball to having a functioning attack. Teams are way better now at not being counter attacked, so you're going to send much more of teams getting stable possession and getting themselves into attacking shape as Dublin do.

The extreme blanket is very different to the Armagh/Tyrone style sweeper system.

It is pretty much the recognition that managers can't waste their players not contributing in as much of the game as possible.

The focus has definitely been on defense but managers also shouldn't be wasting their defenders not attacking.

The game is certainly out of balance at present but I really feel we are close to having an incredible game.

Players are critical of the new rules and I think that speaks volumes.

Spectators probably don't like what they see at the minute but the most important stakeholders should be the players. Gaelic football is for me more rewarding than it used to be to play because you're more involved in the game at all times.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 2129 - 13/10/2018 14:20:35    2146349

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Replying To bdbuddah:  "It might make sense for teams to go long but mainly to a big man who can field the ball (if the mark is brought in) but how often would there be enough space for a ball being kicked long for a teammate to run into space to collect, as the opposition still probably have too many players blocking space. Watching a forward run out in front of the defender into space to collect a ball which has been kicked long is great to watch in Gaelic football. Encouraging kicking in football is not only about getting more high fielding back to the game but this as well (Funny enough extending the mark is a rule that I would not like to see coming in as I think that change the game into to a much more start-stop game)"
A defensive team can't have everyone back if the 'no backwards pass inside your own half' rule was introduced as they have nowhere to play the ball if they win it back. That one simple rule forces teams to keep a few players forward without losing any of the flow of the game but it's not part of the changes at all for some reason.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2213 - 13/10/2018 14:30:28    2146350

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Replying To Soma:  "A defensive team can't have everyone back if the 'no backwards pass inside your own half' rule was introduced as they have nowhere to play the ball if they win it back. That one simple rule forces teams to keep a few players forward without losing any of the flow of the game but it's not part of the changes at all for some reason."
That's actually a really great rule change.

It also makes encourages teams to press higher as they'd have more chance of bottling a player up and turning over possession.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 2129 - 13/10/2018 16:05:41    2146358

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When this process is over you will end up with Rugby or something close, why do we need to change any rules at the moment? Players and managers can manipulate new rules anyway.

maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts: 808 - 13/10/2018 16:29:40    2146363

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Replying To Soma:  "The Kilmacud 7s have a rule that you can't pass the ball backwards in your own half. It's simple to understand and officiate and it overcomes most of the ills of the modern game. It would be surely worth trying more than a whole host of complicated changes."
I would suggest a maximum of 3 Hand passes per possession unless the receiver is inside the opposition 45. This would be similar to the Kilmacud sevens rule (of no passing backwards) but not be quite as restrictive.

It basically means that if you want to play keep ball you can only kick pass it making it easier to dispossess the keep ballers.

Allowing unlimited handpassing inside the 45 allows attacking play to develop

This would have a similar effect to shot clock with no need for a timekeeper.

shaneShankill (Dublin) - Posts: 11 - 13/10/2018 23:07:51    2146405

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Replying To Whammo86:  "That's actually a really great rule change.

It also makes encourages teams to press higher as they'd have more chance of bottling a player up and turning over possession."
The truth is I have a feeling that not all the proposed rule changes will actually be trialled. I think what would have greatest positive impact of the ones suggested would be making players line up in their 'areas' for the kickouts and the kickouts having to be kicked as far as the midfield 'area'.
There is nothing wrong with your suggestion regarding handpasses rule not being allowed to go backwards in your own half. From what I read on players/managers reactions to the proposals on the rte website they were mixed, some positive, some negative with most liking some of them and disliking others.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 476 - 14/10/2018 08:32:56    2146420

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Spectators probably don't like what they see at the minute but the most important stakeholders should be the players. Gaelic football is for me more rewarding than it used to be to play because you're more involved in the game at all times.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 2129 - 13/10/2018 14:20:35 2146349

I think the game should be fot all stakeholders - players, coaches,fans and media. I think the Aussie AFL has it right - they have 9 rule changes for 2019 after consultation with all parties. When does the GAA listen to fan input - try sending them the best of our ideas here.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 1356 - 14/10/2018 16:27:17    2146454

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Replying To maroondiesel:  "When this process is over you will end up with Rugby or something close, why do we need to change any rules at the moment? Players and managers can manipulate new rules anyway."
This sounds like we should not encrypt code because the hackers will break in anyway - or do you prefer, lax rules to let the inmates take over the asylum. Tweaks for improvement should trump heads in the sand - people disagreeing is healthy.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 1356 - 14/10/2018 16:36:06    2146456

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Replying To omahant:  "This sounds like we should not encrypt code because the hackers will break in anyway - or do you prefer, lax rules to let the inmates take over the asylum. Tweaks for improvement should trump heads in the sand - people disagreeing is healthy."
my concern is that the cure is worse than the disease. The Americanization of the game would be a disaster, a stop start grid mess like yankie football or something. Maybe we should keep 4 players in opponent half at all times with a penalty kick as a punishment for a breach. Lets see what the powers in charge come up with.

maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts: 808 - 15/10/2018 21:44:36    2146703

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