neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 03/10/2018 16:34:29    2144987

The time to experiment with rules is in the league campaign, we are making assumptions based on our own perceptions. I can see merits in some of these suggestions but not in others. A game (any game) that allows two teams to retreat in to their own halves and play keep ball is clearly on the road to nowhere. I distinctly remember getting drenched in Croke park at a game between Derry and Dublin when the Dublin fans booed what was on offer. The writing was on the wall then it is now in big bold red letters. If you constantly say no to change without offering and alternative you are as blind as the die-hard ostriches who believe there is nothing wrong. Alternatives please and those who think nothing is wrong go move to Tory island.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4895 - 03/10/2018 17:09:30    2144990

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4207 - 03/10/2018 18:56:01    2145001

One simple rule would solve all the problems, the six forwards cannot come back into their own half of the field , nothing else need to be done .

culmore (None) - Posts: 1398 - 03/10/2018 19:00:50    2145002

The biggest issue I have with the new proposals is that they don't actually address what the perceived problems in the game are. The three handpass rule is supposed to deal with the 'scourge' of lateral possession football, but as many have said that type of football is generally only played against massed blanket defences, by restricting it football will become even more cautious and reduce attacking plays.
The sin bin I'm in favour of. I've always felt that the black card favours the stronger teams, be they club or county, and being down to 14 for 10 minutes is much more of a punishment.
The kick out proposals I can't see working. I was at a junior Z game last Sunday and one of the keepers only cleared the 45 twice from about 20 kick outs. I know that is a million miles from inter County but it's still part of the GAA and has to be covered by the same rules.
The offensive mark might have merit, but we have to be careful not to turn the game into a game of marks similar to Aussie rules. The skill of the catch might be there but the game is mind numbing with the constant stop start nature of it. We have to retain a game where Brogan or the Gooch are still the marquee forwards, not one where they couldn't get a game ahead of an O Gara or Donaghy.

AHP (Dublin) - Posts: 323 - 03/10/2018 19:04:48    2145003

One thing I'd warn against is the assumption that man marking is better to watch than zonal marking defenses.

I'd be worried that you get a lot fewer tight games, way less chance of upsets.

There isn't a problem with having a bit of resistance making scoring difficult. The problem is that teams don't break out of their shells to engage the ball.

Forcing teams to keep 3 man inside the attacking 45 could hel things. Restricting teams from playing the ball back behind the 65 could help too.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4207 - 03/10/2018 20:00:51    2145012

If the 'Mark' is intended to promote high fielding, then it needs to be more clearly defined. Catching a ball on your chest, or even lower down, does little to improve high fielding.
I don't see how kicking a line ball backward to a team-mate is seen as negative, whilst kicking the ball forward into an area where players are tightly marked is seen as positive.

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 03/10/2018 20:12:55    2145013

Just the black card rule alone was never implemented correctly, it was a complete farce where we had to guess the colour of the card. Most hand passes were throws this year, refs hardly ever enforced the rule. Why do people think that a bunch of new rules can save gaelic football? Cynical tackles are disguised as fair challenges. The rules will not be enforceable by one ref. I agree with Turlough O Brian to be honest.

suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1667 - 03/10/2018 21:18:32    2145023

would love to see an oval ball experimentally in the National League, this could solve all other problems

maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts: 1196 - 03/10/2018 21:49:56    2145027

Most of the proposed changes have little or no chance of getting voted in and they smell of ticking boxes. They do however have every chance of ruining the NFL. They could have tried one plus the sin bin in each of the pre season competitions and seen how they worked

lillyboy (Kildare) - Posts: 429 - 03/10/2018 21:53:16    2145029

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2570 - 03/10/2018 22:22:02    2145033

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2570 - 03/10/2018 22:26:01    2145034

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1337 - 03/10/2018 23:28:31    2145039

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 04/10/2018 07:15:05    2145048

Have to echo a number of sentiments here

I can see theses changes actually making it easier for a blanket defence.

Handpassing is a way to counter negative football, it's a direct consequence of negative football not the cause.

But listen trial them I guess..

Two refs would make these changes a lot easier to implement imo

Refs are already struggling and heaping more work upon them doesn't seem very logical

More will be missed as a consequence and more flabbergasting outrage will follow

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 04/10/2018 08:26:10    2145052

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 04/10/2018 08:28:34    2145053

I cant actually believe people think the proposed hand pass rule is a positive thing to be honest.

I think its the most ridiculous rule change proposal of the whole lot, hand passing or consecutive hand passing isnt the problem in the first place, negative football and negative tactics are the problem, hand passing being over used is a symptom.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1326 - 04/10/2018 09:03:59    2145056

why not just have all passed both kick and hand have to go forward in your own half of field and all six forwards have to stay in opponents half of field at all times , that should bring us back to real Gaelic Football

culmore (None) - Posts: 1398 - 04/10/2018 09:07:49    2145058

If they are trying to make the game un-refereeable then this is a good start.
There are already enough rules that are not enforced. Steps, throw balls, square balls etc.
The handpass rule wont work, the game will still be lateral with hand passes replaced with very short foot passes.
A rule where all scores have to be from a kick would be better. The majority of points scored with the hand are from illegal throws anyway.
The sin bin is a no brainer but the proposal is very convoluted especially when the black card is still a mystery to everyone.
The mark won't make any difference.
The GAA would be better served in defining the tackle better and looking at why teams think that defending with 14 men is the best way to win a game.
FIFA faced a similar problem in the 90's and introduced the back pass rule. That changed soccer entirely and for the good. None of the GAA proposals will have any real impact.

AC (None) - Posts: 318 - 04/10/2018 09:37:30    2145062

When you think on it these new rules are something akin to a conditioned game you would make up for 10-12 year olds, only we are looking to do it to adults. If you don't have two excellent midfielders you are in big trouble with the lockout as you will find yourself with overlaps from every play, I wonder will we see teams conceding the opposition's kickout to avoid this

Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1591 - 04/10/2018 10:02:06    2145066