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The 3 great Bulgarians again, mentioned cudov & shudov there, didn't mention wudov.
Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3421 - 27/08/2018 18:04:18 2136872 Link 1 |
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I hate that sort of thinking by the county board. Only the top 5 or so from most minor teams go on to play senior. If they are exposed to underage hurling and football at the highest level their ability allows they will be a better senior hurler or footballer for it five years down the line. It is the exact same in Tipp and why underage football success has completely evaporated over the last couple of seasons. Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 27/08/2018 19:24:12 2136892 Link 0 |
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I think that the people that have put in place the unedrage games/competions in Galway hurling for the last several years have to take a lot of credit for the current healthy state of Galway hurling. Plenty of games for all and crucially very well graded so that everone has a realistic chance. I belive that is why there are no so many players from all over the county. Also it gives me great confidence in the future that while it's nice to win minor titles like this, all the focus is very much on developing senior players. I be quitely hopeful we will get a fair few from this current team. onlyhurling (Galway) - Posts: 800 - 29/08/2018 10:55:56 2137335 Link 1 |
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I only went from 1990! I have agreed with you on some but you seem to imply that losing a game u could have won implies mental issues. 2005 we were never good enough. 2012 KK were past their peak but were still a serious outfit. Its like saying Mayo lost in 04 & 06 because they wern't mentally strong enough. Maybe they just weren't good enough full stop (physically/Skill wise and Mentally). Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1829 - 29/08/2018 13:48:24 2137389 Link 0 |
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Agreed. But this sort of thing doesn't come through overnight.That probably why it has taken this long for us to start doing it. (Now I am not based locally so I am only commenting on details I have heard.......I am taking them at face value!!) You should always freshen things up. Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1829 - 29/08/2018 13:51:36 2137391 Link 0 |
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After galway winning the minor u17 all irelland rhudson (Galway) - Posts: 1478 - 29/08/2018 18:33:40 2137491 Link 0 |
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Very true. All the more impressive in that they (U16s) went down to Cork and beat them down there.
Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2120 - 30/08/2018 04:10:37 2137569 Link 1 |
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hardly a national issue,is it...... perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 30/08/2018 08:59:46 2137586 Link 0 |
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Galway's record in All Ireland hurling finals is something that frustrates the life out of me. Yes there is a definite argument that we weren't ready in a number of those finals, and in reality we shouldn't have been there due to the ridiculous system back then that put us straight into an All Ireland semi final, then again it didn't seem to affect our Minors or U-21s that much over the last 30 years, so you do wonder sometimes. However I really thought that there was something different about the current squad, so to go out and perform like they did against Limerick was just incredibly frustrating, and lends credence to the fact that practically any team would fancy themselves again Galway in an All Ireland final.
gilly0512 (Galway) - Posts: 1176 - 30/08/2018 10:41:11 2137607 Link 0 |
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Any team that reaches an All Ireland final should fancy themselves to win it regardless of who they are playing. After all they've had to beat all before them to reach it. As far as I'm concerned there are 2 distinct epochs in Galway hurling.... pre-2008 when we won 4 and lost 16 or 17 having had to play just 1 game to reach the final. Not at all surprising we had such a horrendous record in that era considering we were playing teams in the final which were peaking after playing a number of hard championship games whereas we had only one decent game under our belt. The second epoch, post 2008 when we entered Leinster and have been able to measure our progress over a "proper" championship season, so far is not great -- just 1 win from 4 finals contested (discounting the draws of course) -- but over time it should improve : we should win our share of All Ireland finals when we contest them. Not sure what the Tipp/KK/ Cork success rate in finals is but we should be averaging about the same as them and other counties who have reached the final following a provincial campaign. PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1903 - 30/08/2018 12:06:40 2137637 Link 1 |
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This is such a load of hogwash! I like Galway and follow their hurlers in particular but they were not the better team on any of those days you cite.If they were the better team they would have won.They were certainly good enough to win and in a position to win in 81, 85, 86, 90 , 93 and 2001 but they didn't get it done. I expect their performances in finals will improve under the new system when they start the same as everyone else and play the same number of games to get to a final but finals are finals i.e. extremely tough to win.As they should be. Condorman (Dublin) - Posts: 983 - 30/08/2018 15:24:46 2137691 Link 0 |
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Your post is contradictory.You don't seem to understand my point.Some counties have a losing tradition in All -Ireland Finals and it doesn't matter if they're the better team or not.Mayo have lost the last 9 senior All-Ireland Finals they've played in.Why do you think that is.They were good enough to win a lot of them.Unfortunately Galway have a tradition of losing All -Ireland hurling Finals.They've lost 20 out of the 25 they've played in.A shocking record.Even Galway's brilliant team of the 1980s with Tony Keady ,Pete Finnerty,Gerry McInerney lost 3 out of the 5 Finals they played in.That Galway team was good enough to win all of the 5 Finals.
endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2162 - 30/08/2018 22:12:32 2137774 Link 0 |
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What is your point then? You say Galway were the better team when losing the 81, 85,86 and 90 finals and you talk to me about contradictory? The best team wins. I believe Galway's record is so bad because the got to a lot of finals in the past after just one performance albeit an outstanding performance in a semi when they played out of their skins to get the win.They simply couldn't repeat it in a final against a seasoned team who had won Munster or Leinster. I believe now that the playing field is level Galway's win ratio in finals will improve. Ok? Condorman (Dublin) - Posts: 983 - 31/08/2018 00:06:06 2137796 Link 0 |
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You seem to have very sweepingly positive notions about the standard of Mayo football teams, and Galway hurling teams, that reached finals over the years. They were good enough to win a lot of them, you say. They weren't good enough to win a lot of them, I'd say. In relation to the Galway hurlers, how could they have been really, when on many occasions they only had to win one match to qualify for the final. Might have been the opposite problem this season, when 'going to the well too often' has been cited as a possible reason for delivering an arguably flat performance in the final, compared to the team's level of performance over the previous two championship seasons.
Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3421 - 31/08/2018 11:58:21 2137870 Link 0 |
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Lads Ye are giving the 'old system' responsibility for Galways poor performances in different finals, over the decades, yet many of the current panel have played in several finals, years after they entered Leinster, in 12,15 17 and 18 and they only won in 17. I think those endevouring to take a little from Limericks win then to forget that we have now what we never had in my lifetime (I am 68)- a decent panel as opposed to a very average one, hence the reason for losing in'74, 80,94,94 and 07.In those years we were simply not goog enough. Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 31/08/2018 14:09:22 2137913 Link 0 |
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An old soccer manager from the 60s/70s, Jimmy Sirrel of Notts County had a famous expression. 'The best team wins, the rest is just gossip.' That means the best team on the day won the match, if the other team were better they would have won. We often hear, the losers were the 'better team'. Better at what exactly? Not at winning the game or outscoring the opposition anyhow. conordee (Galway) - Posts: 440 - 31/08/2018 16:13:26 2137957 Link 0 |
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The old system was a joke, putting Galway straight into an All Ireland semi final, where now and again they might catch someone on the hop, but realistically they were not really good enough, bar the great team of the 80s who I maintain would have won more had they been in Leinster back then. Yes their record in All Irelands is still not great since they went into Leinster in 2008, with a current record of won one and lost three which is extremely poor, but there is no doubt that under the current system they wouldn't be getting into All Irelands if they weren't good enough. However it doesn't mask the fact that our record in All Irelands is a massive worry for most Galway fans, good enough definitely, but just never seem to perform on the big day.
gilly0512 (Galway) - Posts: 1176 - 31/08/2018 16:47:02 2137970 Link 0 |
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Well other than the "Big 3" we are up there in the amount of All Irelands with the others. And hey did you know it's KILKENNY that has the most All Ireland final LOSSES?
Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2120 - 31/08/2018 22:29:15 2138054 Link 0 |
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Well other than the "Big 3" we are up there in the amount of All Irelands with the others. And hey did you know it's KILKENNY that has the most All Ireland final LOSSES? Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 261 - 31/08/2018 22:29:15 To be fair they have also won the most. Galway have only won 5 but lost 20 so hardly a fair comment. Cork have won 30 and lost 19. Quiet a good record. I think All Ireland winners will be different most years now as teams are so evenly matched. Galway will win more for sure but they will also lose more. rebeltrev (Cork) - Posts: 344 - 02/09/2018 18:34:39 2138452 Link 0 |