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Replying To waynoI:  "They (Galway) will do one of two things

1. They will sit back en masse, make it extremely difficult for us to break the lines, try keep the game close and see what happens, break at speed and try catch us on the counter.

OR

2. They will "cut loose" and have a go.

What other game plan could they play ?

Its one or the other and Dublin are well used to both by now.

Dublin might not know exactly what way they will go, but it wont take us long to figure it out i dont think. We might take a bit of time to get into the game, that wouldnt shock me at all, but once Galway show their hand, we will adapt to suit.

Its what we do.

For galway to win they will need to play one or both of those game plans to absolute perfection, and pray that Dublin have an absolute stinker. Is it possible ? Anything is possible in sport... Is it likely..... Probably not."
That's fair enough but Galway aren't under any pressure going into this game, nobody's is expecting them to win, they have nothing to loose because they still have had a very good year and they are not going for 4 in a row. I think it's a perfect position for Galway to be in. There are a few sensitive lads on the Dubs them that can be easily upset if things don't go their way and prone to the red card!! I don't think Galway would have to even play outstanding, maybe fustrate the Dubs... mess with their heads and wait for a reaction, ie lashing out.. O' Gara?

katser2 (Galway) - Posts: 41 - 09/08/2018 11:49:58    2131172

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Well the great tradition of Galway football is under severe threat if hoping that an opponent will lash out to fouling defenders, your full back line is under scrutiny now as seen with all the deserving cards they picked up the last day.
Also I don't agree that Galway have no pressure either, they've brought a lot of pressure on themselves in how they played the last day out and could ship a big defeat here undoing all the progress of the year- I predict Dublin will put up a big score and ease into the final.

jonno (Kildare) - Posts: 260 - 09/08/2018 13:19:22    2131206

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Replying To katser2:  "That's fair enough but Galway aren't under any pressure going into this game, nobody's is expecting them to win, they have nothing to loose because they still have had a very good year and they are not going for 4 in a row. I think it's a perfect position for Galway to be in. There are a few sensitive lads on the Dubs them that can be easily upset if things don't go their way and prone to the red card!! I don't think Galway would have to even play outstanding, maybe fustrate the Dubs... mess with their heads and wait for a reaction, ie lashing out.. O' Gara?"
Funny you should say that i think Galway completely lost the head in the last quarter of the league final.

I like Galway a lot and i think the game will be a tight physical contest, psychologically though a critique i would have of Galway is slotting under pressure and shot selection or broadly the amount of wides they hit in possession or when they have momentum.

Its semi final time, every single shot now needs to be going over, that or very close t o it is the standard and both teams will live and die by decisions, whether its shot selection or giving away frees.

The Dublin team actually play games 14 Vs15 and 13 Vs 15 in training, so every player knows what to do in the event of of a red card or so the legend goes.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 09/08/2018 13:43:46    2131212

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Replying To katser2:  "That's fair enough but Galway aren't under any pressure going into this game, nobody's is expecting them to win, they have nothing to loose because they still have had a very good year and they are not going for 4 in a row. I think it's a perfect position for Galway to be in. There are a few sensitive lads on the Dubs them that can be easily upset if things don't go their way and prone to the red card!! I don't think Galway would have to even play outstanding, maybe fustrate the Dubs... mess with their heads and wait for a reaction, ie lashing out.. O' Gara?"
o'gara wont be playing.

who else fits your description?

Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 382 - 09/08/2018 13:55:50    2131216

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Replying To Gavvygavgav:  "o'gara wont be playing.

who else fits your description?"
Cooper, John Small would be another two..

Belclare1 (Galway) - Posts: 1626 - 09/08/2018 14:40:54    2131231

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Replying To waynoI:  "The more i think about this game, the more confident im getting.

I like Galway, I think they have some fantastic players, and despite what Eamon O'Hara says, a fantastic manager in Kevin Walsh. They have all bought into the system and are coming with very little pressure on them considering most people will expect Dublin to go through, and rightly so.

For me. Dublin hold all the aces.

They went into last weeks game against Roscommon already through similar to Galway and changed most of their team. They where able to give alot of fellas the day off in order to be ready for this game. Galway actually played alot of their starters and have injury concerns/players already ruled out. I think alot of players from last sunday will have given Jim Gavin food for thought, Costello and O'Gara being just two.

Everybody knows this Dublin team are immense. They wont buckle under pressure however galway approach the game. Whether Galway get a lead or not. The experience that even Dublins youngsters have in these kind of games is a huge factor and i just dont see Dublin being anything other than calm and cool and they will just do what they have to do. If the game is close going into the last 10, Dublin probably have the better subs bench and as already mentioned, the know how of winning these tight games.

I personally believe the league games will have absolutely no bearing and arent actually a barometer of where the teams are now or where back then. Dublin werent training as long as galway and didnt have all the players available and firing that we do now. We are now at the business end where results matter and Dublin just have that winning habit. I think we, from the start of lastt january, will have been preparing for peaking around mid-late august. Jim Gavin will of course say we only think about our next opponent which in the short term picture is probably fair enough, but they always look at the bigger picture, the set up is too professional to not leave rocks unturned. We will have been expected to get through the super 8s and get this far and i think you will see a much improved Dublin performance to anything we saw in the league.

And i think we will win. Maybe not as emphatically as last year v Tyrone in that i feel the game as a contest will go on longer, but i think in the third quarter or final quarter if were a few up we will go for the jugular and think we will either win by a very comfortable 4 or 5 point margain, or the scoreboard will take a pasting, we wont let up, lay down a marker for Tyrone/Monaghan and win by 10 11 or 12 points.

BUT if Galway do go on to win, Id love them to win it."
"I personally believe the league games will have absolutely no bearing and arent actually a barometer of where the teams are now or where back then. "
Really.. ?
Is it not funny though that the 4 teams in the Semi Final's are the same who topped division 1 in the league ?
Allianz FL1 2018 P W D L Dif Pts
Galway 7 6 1 0 23 13
Dublin 7 5 1 1 32 11
Monaghan 7 5 0 2 6 10
Tyrone 7 4 0 3 15 8

I think Dublin are more beatable this year.. They are in line now for 4 in a row but Mayo really left the All Ireland behind them last year after Vaughan getting sent off. For once, They were the better team on the day and it will haunt them for a long time.
Dublin will probably do 4 in a row but I don't think they'll do 5... I hope so anyway :) take that as a compliment..
Don't get me wrong, Dublin are a fantastic team and if they do 5 in a row, they will be immortal..! I don't think they will beat Galway by more than 3 or 4 points though. The gap is not that great as Tyrone showed in Omagh.

As for Monaghan v Tyrone, everyone is writing us off as usual, which is great.!
I find it weird, in 2013 and 2015 playing Tyrone, there was a big fear factor playing Tyrone in Croke Park in a quarter final, even after getting an Ulster title, and a feeling too that we were content with our Ulster title.
The feeling this year seems a lot different now.. the Monaghan support is more vocal and there is a huge determination now to get to a Final.. the nervous excitement is building already.
I think the Super 8's and playing teams outside of Ulster has really brought us on.
Here's hoping our minors win on Sunday too, for a county like Monaghan to even have one of those teams in an All-Ireland final will be some achievement.
HON THE FARNEY..!!!

SouthMonMan (Monaghan) - Posts: 100 - 09/08/2018 15:11:26    2131244

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Funny you should say that i think Galway completely lost the head in the last quarter of the league final.

I like Galway a lot and i think the game will be a tight physical contest, psychologically though a critique i would have of Galway is slotting under pressure and shot selection or broadly the amount of wides they hit in possession or when they have momentum.

Its semi final time, every single shot now needs to be going over, that or very close t o it is the standard and both teams will live and die by decisions, whether its shot selection or giving away frees.

The Dublin team actually play games 14 Vs15 and 13 Vs 15 in training, so every player knows what to do in the event of of a red card or so the legend goes."
Didn't think the league form would have anything to do with Championship, but now that you brought it up... the Dubs had players sent off in both league matches against Galway all because of been sensitive and easily upset when things don't go their way..when a team takes the fight to them and not let team dictate the tempo or be in control of the match. Discipline has always been the Dubs weakness

katser2 (Galway) - Posts: 41 - 09/08/2018 15:21:12    2131246

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Replying To Belclare1:  "Cooper, John Small would be another two.."
Comer?

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 09/08/2018 15:25:27    2131248

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Replying To katser2:  "Didn't think the league form would have anything to do with Championship, but now that you brought it up... the Dubs had players sent off in both league matches against Galway all because of been sensitive and easily upset when things don't go their way..when a team takes the fight to them and not let team dictate the tempo or be in control of the match. Discipline has always been the Dubs weakness"
Maybe your right, you just might have cracked the Dublin Code.

I dont know Ive been thinking during the week that Galway have big Mayo sized shoes to fill, can Galway match the great Mayo team of the last few years for "bringing the fight" or "putting it up to the Dubs" and more?

Its an interesting one, Mayo are a proven Championship team and seasoned at this stage of the Championship, its a while since Galway have been this deep in the championship or part of the "occasion", i see an awful lot of "its been a great year for Galway anyway" comments, what thats means is subjective i suppose.

Like you i think the game will be a tight one.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 09/08/2018 15:47:39    2131261

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Replying To katser2:  "Didn't think the league form would have anything to do with Championship, but now that you brought it up... the Dubs had players sent off in both league matches against Galway all because of been sensitive and easily upset when things don't go their way..when a team takes the fight to them and not let team dictate the tempo or be in control of the match. Discipline has always been the Dubs weakness"
Yeah. Can see how its been a huge disadvantage to them over the past 7 years. There's always some bright-spark on here thinks that 'taking the fight' to Dublin might be the key to knocking them off their perch. Wonder will Walsh think of that?

keep her lit.
Aido

Aido69 (Dublin) - Posts: 381 - 09/08/2018 15:56:28    2131264

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Replying To Belclare1:  "Cooper, John Small would be another two.."
neither of those players could be described as prone to losing their rag in reaction to provocation

Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 382 - 09/08/2018 17:02:28    2131281

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Replying To katser2:  "Didn't think the league form would have anything to do with Championship, but now that you brought it up... the Dubs had players sent off in both league matches against Galway all because of been sensitive and easily upset when things don't go their way..when a team takes the fight to them and not let team dictate the tempo or be in control of the match. Discipline has always been the Dubs weakness"
Yet it doesn't generally seem to cost them too much, they didn't look any weaker more or less cruising to a win in the league final with 14 men.

Dubsfan28 (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 09/08/2018 17:49:09    2131289

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Maybe your right, you just might have cracked the Dublin Code.

I dont know Ive been thinking during the week that Galway have big Mayo sized shoes to fill, can Galway match the great Mayo team of the last few years for "bringing the fight" or "putting it up to the Dubs" and more?

Its an interesting one, Mayo are a proven Championship team and seasoned at this stage of the Championship, its a while since Galway have been this deep in the championship or part of the "occasion", i see an awful lot of "its been a great year for Galway anyway" comments, what thats means is subjective i suppose.

Like you i think the game will be a tight one."
Well that Mayo team blew it in both years and only for self destruction and a couple of bad decisions they would have won those All Irelands, but that's in the past now. We will have to wait and see how Saturdays game starts to unfold!

katser2 (Galway) - Posts: 41 - 09/08/2018 17:55:42    2131292

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Replying To Belclare1:  "Cooper, John Small would be another two.."
How many times has Cooper been sent off? Small too, besides the Leinster final, I wouldn't be describing his red card as being because he was wound up or losing the head like some here claim lads are. I think Galway need a lot more than just hoping to get Dublin lads sent off.

Dubsfan28 (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 09/08/2018 17:56:24    2131293

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Dublin will have this handy enough 7 or 8 points pulling up, also would love Monaghan to make the final, I think Tyrone are boring to watch I think Monaghan would give us a better game in the final and provide for a better spectacle!

DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 932 - 09/08/2018 18:01:41    2131294

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Replying To katser2:  "Didn't think the league form would have anything to do with Championship, but now that you brought it up... the Dubs had players sent off in both league matches against Galway all because of been sensitive and easily upset when things don't go their way..when a team takes the fight to them and not let team dictate the tempo or be in control of the match. Discipline has always been the Dubs weakness"
I think that may be wishful thinking on your part but at the same time points to a weakness in Galway's tactics if they couldn't beat Dublin home or away and they with an extra man. If memory serves Comer should not have been on the pitch at the final whistle in Croke Park as he deliberately hand tripped Cooper and this was a text book black card. Anyway, all in the past. I think Galway would rather be coming into this game with a win under their belt rather than a mauling at the hands of Monaghan. I wouldn't underestimate the psychological impact of that beating. Having said that, Galway have a system and forwards to cause Dublin problems. Dublin need to starve Comer of posession. Fitzy did a good job on him the last day in the second half where Cooper and Philly had struggled. I expect Dublin to come out firing on all cylinders but a close enough game if we struggle to drill through the iron curtain. Possibly Dubs by 3 to 4 points. Galways slow transition may hurt them.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 09/08/2018 18:01:45    2131295

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Replying To katser2:  "Didn't think the league form would have anything to do with Championship, but now that you brought it up... the Dubs had players sent off in both league matches against Galway all because of been sensitive and easily upset when things don't go their way..when a team takes the fight to them and not let team dictate the tempo or be in control of the match. Discipline has always been the Dubs weakness"
Discipline has always been the Dubs weakness", It is ? jasus that's what was missing from 1996- 2010 so !
This discipline weakness thing you speak off , has served us well 5 All Irelands in 7 years .

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 09/08/2018 18:16:26    2131300

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Replying To katser2:  "I think the Dubs could get ambushed by Galway on Saturday!"
No harm in thinking.

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 09/08/2018 18:22:00    2131301

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Replying To superbluedub:  "No harm in thinking."
We're going to be ambushed, have our heads messed with, wound up and have players sent off.....what else is missing?

Dubsfan28 (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 09/08/2018 19:01:02    2131310

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Replying To DUBJOHN:  "Dublin will have this handy enough 7 or 8 points pulling up, also would love Monaghan to make the final, I think Tyrone are boring to watch I think Monaghan would give us a better game in the final and provide for a better spectacle!"
I think what you are saying in reality is that Monaghan would be an easier game to annex the 4 in a row. You might not admit that fair enough but that would be my interpretation. An naturally it is more difficult to like potential opposition who are likely to ask you more questions.

kiloughter (Galway) - Posts: 1946 - 09/08/2018 19:21:28    2131316

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