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First of all I want to congratulate the Dubs on a superb performance, they had another 2 gears in them. Turning point was without doubt the penalty, can't understand why Brannigan was taking it. Would have had three players ahead of him at least in the pecking order. If that penalty goes in I'd imagine it would have been a closer game.
Anyway one thing i've noticed about Dublin posters is they say this is a once in a generation team and it will eventually be replaced. I'm sorry but it's not a once in a generation team. This team is already a vastly different one to the side that started their current dominance of the game. The side that won the All Ireland in 2011 was this:
S Cluxton; C O'Sullivan, R O'Carroll, M Fitzsimons; J McCarthy, G Brennan, K Nolan; D Bastick, MD Macauley; P Flynn, B Cahill, B Cullen; A Brogan, D Connolly, B Brogan. Subs: P McMahon for McCarthy (46), K McManamon for Flynn (51), E O'Gara for Cahill (57), E Fennell for Bastick (63)
Side that finished yeserday:
stephen Cluxton; Eoin Murchan, Cian O'Sullivan, Philly McMahon; Jonny Cooper, James McCarthy, Jack McCaffrey Brian Fenton (0-02), John Small; Niall Scully, Ciarán Kilkenny (0-03), Brian Howard (0-01); Con O'Callaghan (1-03), Dean Rock (0-05, 0-04f), Paul Mannion (0-04).
Subs: Michael Fitzsimons for O'Sullivan 27 mins; Cormac Costello (0-03, 0-01f) for Scully 43 mins; Kevin McManamon (0-02) for Rock 55 mins; Michael Darragh Macauley for Murchan 56 mins; Darren Daly for Small 65 mins; Paul Flynn (0-01) for McCaffrey 67 mins.
Only three of the starting 15 were there for the first all ireland win, 7 of the 21 were there for the first win. That's a third of the team. The team is already different from what it was when it started so you can't say it's a once in a generation team.
Anyway good luck to the Dubs, best of luck in the final even though i'll be cheering on Tyrone or Monaghan against you.
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 12/08/2018 11:11:56
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Replying To kildare73: "Tell you what, come to Croke Park and beat Dublin in Championship football and then you can ask the question. 27 championship games unbeaten today, that didn't all happen against Leinster teams. Any team that's mattered has had a crack now and failed. It is hilarious how people have a go at Leinster counties for not beating Dublin then get their arse handed back to them when it's their turn but somehow that's ok. Ah the double standards!" We did beat them in Croke Park 4 years ago, only team to do so yet under Jim Gavin. Maybe you missed that? Anyway, look I am not having a pop at Leinster football for nothing. In Jim Gavin's tenure as Dublin manager, Donegal have beaten them. Tyrone have tested them this season really well. Mayo have regularly pushed them to the limit. Kerry have had some fair attempts at them too. Granted, only once they've been beaten by Donegal but there are teams challenging them. They are winning finals by small margins. By the way, taking nothing from Dublin. They're awesome and a truly great team. But I'm leinister nobody can get within a cricket score of them. That's the point I'm making and well you know it.
Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1321 - 12/08/2018 11:15:45
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Replying To kildare73: "Aren't you lucky to have the luxury and the get out of calling it hypothetical. Meanwhile back in the real world Leinster teams face Dublin earlier than the rest of the country, then you all get to fail in your turn. Beat Dublin in Championship football, then you earn the right to criticise. Until then enjoy your cocoon." We did that, only team to do so yet under Jim Gavin. If you think Ulster championship is a cocoon then you don't attend too many games.
Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1321 - 12/08/2018 11:18:01
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Anyone who knows a little about football know that Dublin have a great side with all their players very athletic, good footballers, with a very high work rate who play as a team. All their panel can compete at the highest level. Can they get beaten? Of course they can but when and by who is any ones guess. You will not beat then by giving them free kick outs. Up to this year Mayo were the only one who could compete with them. You would have a very competitive AI if we could convince the Dubs to stay at home!!. This talk about neutral venues is rubbish- you can only win AI'S in CP where the best players want to be.
browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 12/08/2018 11:29:55
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Galway handicapped themselves yesterday through their defensive set-up. Fair enough, get to half-time on a competitive score line, but you're on a hiding to nothing if you don't try to tackle with intensity once the Dubs pass halfway. Time after time yesterday, Galway backs stood off their men and allowed the best attacking force in football to do their stuff.
On the rare occasions that Galway got quick ball into Walsh, Comer, Burke etc. they looked dangerous. But there was far too much slow build-up play, particularly in the first half, allowing Dublin to get their defensive shape in place.
Fair play to the Dubs though, they really took over the middle third after the break and it could have been far worse for Galway in all honesty.
Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 12/08/2018 11:51:09
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Replying To Ulsterman: "Do the Dublin players and management EVER smile or look as if they are enjoying winning? Definitely a cold, unemotional, mechanical, manufactured, robotic look about them. They have the Nick Faldo exterior about them. This is why most GAA folk can't and don't warm to them." Most Gaa folk don't warm to them?Speak for yourself mate.They are in my opinion the best I've ever seen I just love watching play the game the way it should be played.
dubarra (Wicklow) - Posts: 541 - 12/08/2018 12:02:48
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Replying To Gleebo: "Galway handicapped themselves yesterday through their defensive set-up. Fair enough, get to half-time on a competitive score line, but you're on a hiding to nothing if you don't try to tackle with intensity once the Dubs pass halfway. Time after time yesterday, Galway backs stood off their men and allowed the best attacking force in football to do their stuff.
On the rare occasions that Galway got quick ball into Walsh, Comer, Burke etc. they looked dangerous. But there was far too much slow build-up play, particularly in the first half, allowing Dublin to get their defensive shape in place.
Fair play to the Dubs though, they really took over the middle third after the break and it could have been far worse for Galway in all honesty." Mayo would have made a better fist of yesterday's game than Galway. Losing at home to Monaghan last week, was hardly the best preparation for the All Ireland Champions.
The best entertainment came prematch with a Dublin banner on the hill. It said 'Dean Rock strikes faster than Bus Éireann' Genius wit by the Dubs.
thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1741 - 12/08/2018 12:06:30
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Replying To waynoI: "Playing Dublin in the league and competing is one thing, beating them in Croke Park in a huge, do or die all ireland semi final, where Dublin ooze experience and know how is quite another. Galway are capable of competing with Dublin, but cant see anything but a convincing Dublin win. But should Galway win, i hope they go on to win it. Winners of this win the whole thing. My prediction is Dublin by 8+" there we go.
nailed it.
a very sobering for galway ..
doesn't matter how good a league they've had, how good a championship they're having... still absolutely miles and miles of dublin
waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 12/08/2018 12:28:59
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Replying To arock: ""intimidation and jeering and thuggery" there is fair comment and opinion and then there is gratuitous insults. What a narrow minded mean spirited poor comment." The norm for that poster. Ignore.
Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 12/08/2018 12:31:14
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Replying To thelongridge: "Mayo would have made a better fist of yesterday's game than Galway. Losing at home to Monaghan last week, was hardly the best preparation for the All Ireland Champions.
The best entertainment came prematch with a Dublin banner on the hill. It said 'Dean Rock strikes faster than Bus Éireann' Genius wit by the Dubs." Mayo were used to big days in HQ and apart from losing a few close ones due to the collapse of key players they had plenty of more forgettable days also. They were a good Mayo side for sure. People need to cop on that this was Galway's first semi in 17 years against the best team ever, they will learn and come back.
maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts: 1196 - 12/08/2018 12:47:16
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Replying To waynoI: "there we go.
nailed it.
a very sobering for galway ..
doesn't matter how good a league they've had, how good a championship they're having... still absolutely miles and miles of dublin" Give yourself a wee pat on the back there young Megamind.
catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 12/08/2018 13:00:49
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Replying To Fionn: "Well said.
The begrudgery towards Dublin is astounding.
Were people this Anti-Kilkenny in their pomp...
I know I didnt like seeing the Cats win so much but bloody hell, I respected them for what they did, how they did it year on year and how damn good they were at the time. Their constant hunger and levels of performance were a credit to them and management. They had my full respect.
Similarly for kerry when they were so good.
Yet, first we had a meath poster wanting Dublin taken out of Leinster and now a Kerry poster wanting Dublin taken out of the Championship. FFS - this is a once in a lifetime Dublin team/squad and wont last forever, so at least show some respect and acknowledge a great team when you see one. Not bit*h and whine all the time about them.
We smile too much, dont smile enough, wear too fancy football boots, are too tanned, too fit, too fast, too skilful or even too damn boring... yes, boring....
History will show how good this team/squad is - to be so consistent, focused, hungry for more, and at the same time be grounded and nice individuals, says loads about the guys who have worn the Dublin jersey over these successful years.
To see Kerry posters in particular, moan about Dublin dominance irks me most, especially after all the success they have had. But rather than acknowledge what a great team Dublin have been, they want them split in 2 or 3 or 4, or even taken out of the championship altogether... Get over over it... Ye are going for 5 minor title in a row and all you can do is moan about the Dubs.... mmmm...!
To those Kerry fans - it is not your divine right to win every year however much you think it is....
Us Dubs are just enjoying the ride for as long as it lasts. It is once in a lifetime so no amount of begrudgery will spoil this for us. It just makes us more determined to prolong it...!" Kilkenny got pretty much the same Fionn. Maybe a little less because the population thing wasn't thrown at them.
Being described as boring comes around the 4 in a row stage. Believe me when you're being called that by Irish people you are at the great team status. It's the last step along the way when there's literally nothing else to complain about, reffing etc. Your team is in total control of their performance and the opposition looks powerless hence the predictability and 'boring' label.
Fair play to Mayo they were to Dublin what Tipperary were to Kilkenny 2008-11, only they didn't get an all-ireland like Tipp in 2010.
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Replying To Fionn: "Well said.
The begrudgery towards Dublin is astounding.
Were people this Anti-Kilkenny in their pomp...
I know I didnt like seeing the Cats win so much but bloody hell, I respected them for what they did, how they did it year on year and how damn good they were at the time. Their constant hunger and levels of performance were a credit to them and management. They had my full respect.
Similarly for kerry when they were so good.
Yet, first we had a meath poster wanting Dublin taken out of Leinster and now a Kerry poster wanting Dublin taken out of the Championship. FFS - this is a once in a lifetime Dublin team/squad and wont last forever, so at least show some respect and acknowledge a great team when you see one. Not bit*h and whine all the time about them.
We smile too much, dont smile enough, wear too fancy football boots, are too tanned, too fit, too fast, too skilful or even too damn boring... yes, boring....
History will show how good this team/squad is - to be so consistent, focused, hungry for more, and at the same time be grounded and nice individuals, says loads about the guys who have worn the Dublin jersey over these successful years.
To see Kerry posters in particular, moan about Dublin dominance irks me most, especially after all the success they have had. But rather than acknowledge what a great team Dublin have been, they want them split in 2 or 3 or 4, or even taken out of the championship altogether... Get over over it... Ye are going for 5 minor title in a row and all you can do is moan about the Dubs.... mmmm...!
To those Kerry fans - it is not your divine right to win every year however much you think it is....
Us Dubs are just enjoying the ride for as long as it lasts. It is once in a lifetime so no amount of begrudgery will spoil this for us. It just makes us more determined to prolong it...!" Excellent post , well said .
superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 12/08/2018 13:12:19
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Replying To Tirchonaill1: "If Donegal hadn't beaten Dublin in the semi in 2014 this would be 6 in a row this year, 7 in a row next year, there'd surely be calls to divide up the capital then, it will have to happen at some stage I think." Never.
superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 12/08/2018 13:14:14
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Replying To Donegal_abroad: "We did beat them in Croke Park 4 years ago, only team to do so yet under Jim Gavin. Maybe you missed that? Anyway, look I am not having a pop at Leinster football for nothing. In Jim Gavin's tenure as Dublin manager, Donegal have beaten them. Tyrone have tested them this season really well. Mayo have regularly pushed them to the limit. Kerry have had some fair attempts at them too. Granted, only once they've been beaten by Donegal but there are teams challenging them. They are winning finals by small margins. By the way, taking nothing from Dublin. They're awesome and a truly great team. But I'm leinister nobody can get within a cricket score of them. That's the point I'm making and well you know it." I guess you have to consider that Kildare knocked the second best team in the country out of the championship this year. It was a fantastic display and just shows what they are capable of. They are having success at underage level too and Meath minors blew that semi against Galway yesterday. I think any Ulster team will view Kildare as a tough prospect in the championship next year. I wouldn't right off Leinster just yet. Tyrone supporters were calling for Harte's head 18 months ago, now suddenly they are being proclaimed as the second best team in the country. The see saw continues. I don't think Leinster is any weaker than the other provinces to be honest, one or two decent teams in each.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 12/08/2018 13:16:09
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Replying To waynoI: "there we go.
nailed it.
a very sobering for galway ..
doesn't matter how good a league they've had, how good a championship they're having... still absolutely miles and miles of dublin" Well done and said, the downside is I'd say a few agree with you hence some of the empty seats in Croker yesterday. But still I think I would be entertained watching this Dublin team standing around talking.
arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 12/08/2018 13:22:22
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Replying To kiloughter: "A fair analysis. Look some counties are improving unknown to a few posters who only look at results. The three I feel as evidenced in recent times are us, Kildare and Donegal. We have a lot of youth lining themselves up and when the Dublin cycle plateau's the hope is we among a few other counties will challenge further for honours. For all the criticism of Leinster particularly by some Ulster posters I do believe Kildare will go toe to toe with the Dubs in time. It is not all bleak and we should acknowledge this great Dublin team who depth wise are better than 2 to 3 years ago. Yes the GAA have major issues regarding funding etc but that should not take from what Dublin achieved. My only little gripe on a few Dub fans is the English style jeering from the Hill when opposition free takers are lining up frees. I have little sympathy for the overpaid galactios across the water who suffer this regularly but insulting to amateur sportspeople giving their body and soul to the cause. Bit wearying and a few Dubs around me in the Cusack were embarrassed." I think you can add Kerry to that list too. Young Clifford is a game changer, a phenomenal talent for Kerry not to be a contender given the handy passage to the super 8's they will get. They do need to sort themselves out defensively. As for Kildare they need to find consistency but I was impressed with them in the super 8's and feel if they managed to keep 15 players on the field in their last 2 games they could have got results. As for ourselves we are building well and in players like Ryan McHugh, Michael Murphy and Paddy McBrearty we have game changers. That is all and well but the Dublin management are so good at nullifying these players with their match ups you need other guys to step up. I felt this is another reason why Galway faltered so much in the 2nd half. Dublin recognised the threat of Ian Burke and took him out of the game. Bar the first 20 mins the same can be said of Comer and they also kept Walsh quiet in the 2nd half. Galway just did not have the supporting cast to step up yesterday.
panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2781 - 12/08/2018 13:23:09
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Some amount of nonsense gets posted here at times. I have to say I didn't expect such a comprehensive win for the Dubs but Galway didn't help themselves at all. I felt there were a lot of parallels with our win in 2014 in the first half in that Galway hung in there and then got some big chances for goals. When you think about what happened in that first half, they left at least 1-4 out on the pitch with the missed penalty and missed frees from Walsh as well as some pot shots, and then you have Dublin's goal which deflected off the defender. In 2014 we barely hit a single wide or dropped one short, took our goal chance and also rode our luck with Durcan making a save and Dublin butchering a 2-on-1 at one stage as well. These little things swing the momentum away from the team trying to unseat the Dubs - I've said it a million times but you need everything to go right for you and also for Dublin to have a bit of an off day for at least a half of football.
Had Galway netted the penalty they would have been 3 or 4 points up and were on top of Cluxton's kickout in that small period. Who knows what happens then - there was an odd atmosphere there yesterday too so it would've been interesting to see how the players would react. I still think Dublin would have come out the other end with a win (they are so much better than they were in 2014), but people wouldn't be talking about the game in the same way as they are. The biggest factor in how comprehesive the win was for Dublin was Galway's shooting - and I don't mean for that to take away from Dublin's excellent performance, especially second half. They were patient and clinical in front of the posts. Some fantastic play and Jack McCaffrey was sensational in particular.
I was disappointed in Galway for that shooting and the belief seemed to go right out of them in the period after the penalty. There wasn't much intensity after that it seemed to me. I think they will look back on yesterday with a bit of regret but that can be a powerful thing - lots to learn for them from yesterday and they will be challenging for Sam next year.
As for Dublin, I think Monaghan/Tyrone will smash into them in the final but they will have too much for either side and they deserve to be the first Dublin side to make 4-in-a-row, they are fantastic.
JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 12/08/2018 13:32:00
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The begrudgery on this thread is unreal. Some even said that Dublin are 'boring'. Stephen Cluxton's distribution and saves, Fenton's fielding and point taking, McCaffrey's ekectric pace, Rock's free taking accuracy, Kev Mac's meandering low centre of gravity runs, Kilkenny's incredible fitness and game management, Copper and Philly's uncompromising tackling. The best Gaelic football is all there on view. It it's boring then it's not boring due to Dublin's skill levels and displays (21? scores from play yesterday) it's boring because, apart from Mayo, the opposition is not competing with them. Blame that on other counties not on this Dublin team.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 12/08/2018 13:34:58
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Replying To Donegal_abroad: "We did beat them in Croke Park 4 years ago, only team to do so yet under Jim Gavin. Maybe you missed that? Anyway, look I am not having a pop at Leinster football for nothing. In Jim Gavin's tenure as Dublin manager, Donegal have beaten them. Tyrone have tested them this season really well. Mayo have regularly pushed them to the limit. Kerry have had some fair attempts at them too. Granted, only once they've been beaten by Donegal but there are teams challenging them. They are winning finals by small margins. By the way, taking nothing from Dublin. They're awesome and a truly great team. But I'm leinister nobody can get within a cricket score of them. That's the point I'm making and well you know it." The first line of your reply only serves to make my point. That win was 4 years ago and fair play to Donegal at the time but that's been and gone. Mayo are the consistent exception to the rule, always pushed Dublin to the limit. After that can you think of another championship game you ever thought Dublin were going to be beaten in while the game was going on? I can't anyway. Even Tyrone this year in Omagh, you couldn't really see them beating Dublin even though Tyrone gave it a good go. I'll challenge anyone who looks down their nose at Leinster counties to go be Dublin in Championship, then you have the right to criticise Leinster. Other than that you are just another county in line to get beaten.
kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 12/08/2018 13:39:13
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