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How Many Points Is Home Advantage Worth?

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Just wondering...

Any studies available for the 2018 Munster Final yet?"
Bit too soon, but I'm sure there must be some out now about every Leinster football final since 2011...

An exception doesn't prove a rule, what do they be teaching you up there in all them fancy Dublin Universities?

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 3939 - 12/07/2018 18:50:27    2121099

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Replying To TheHermit:  "Oh it worth about 5 All-Irelands in 7 years..."
That's brilliant :-)

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 7700 - 12/07/2018 19:09:49    2121103

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Replying To bubba83:  "How much of an advantage do Kerry have playing only 2 games to reach the Super 8s compared to Donegal's 4?

If you're going to point out the unfairness of Dublin's two games in Croke Park, you should at least acknowledge the advantage Kerry have enjoyed for the past 134 years playing in a province with only 5 counties.

The championship has never been perfectly fair to all competing counties, Kerry should know that more than most."
Games? Training sessions more like.

Dubsfan28 (Dublin) - Posts: 1931 - 12/07/2018 19:13:18    2121105

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Replying To Dubsfan28:  "Games? Training sessions more like."
Yerra ya sure not every game can be an edge of the seat thriller like Dublin/Wicklow or Dublin/Wexford ;D

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 3939 - 12/07/2018 19:51:57    2121115

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Replying To Damothedub:  "Studies show if you are a large country, with massive advantages you will allways beat a smaller country with less funding , someone forgot to tell Iceland and Croatia with a combined population of less than six million beating the mega rich English in the last two tournaments
Studies also show you will ignore this point through green and gold eye blindness or alternatively post off a smug one liner"
Nothing from the Kerry lads , need a map to find Croatia or Iceland , you were quick enough to comment earlier , when your finished backslapping for who can but up the next Dublin put down post perhaps you can explain why in sport one and one doesn't allways add up , but as it doesn't fit your profile and agenda , one trick pony's, completely devoid of anything else worthy of debate

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5059 - 12/07/2018 20:15:51    2121119

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Replying To TheHermit:  "Bit too soon, but I'm sure there must be some out now about every Leinster football final since 2011...

An exception doesn't prove a rule, what do they be teaching you up there in all them fancy Dublin Universities?"
You mean the ones that are full of students from the country?

Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 307 - 12/07/2018 21:13:26    2121145

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Replying To Damothedub:  "Nothing from the Kerry lads , need a map to find Croatia or Iceland , you were quick enough to comment earlier , when your finished backslapping for who can but up the next Dublin put down post perhaps you can explain why in sport one and one doesn't allways add up , but as it doesn't fit your profile and agenda , one trick pony's, completely devoid of anything else worthy of debate"
Replying to your self Damo?

Dude soccer and football are two different games, the soccer boys were playing in mostly neutral venues with impartial refs, would Iceland and Croatia have got those result in wembley with English refs?

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 7700 - 12/07/2018 21:17:55    2121147

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Replying To TheHermit:  "Yerra ya sure not every game can be an edge of the seat thriller like Dublin/Wicklow or Dublin/Wexford ;D"
Same two counties competing in Munster for the silverware for the past quarter of a century and one of those is a hurling county. Did somebody say something about fairness?

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 3303 - 12/07/2018 21:22:20    2121149

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Replying to your self Damo?

Dude soccer and football are two different games, the soccer boys were playing in mostly neutral venues with impartial refs, would Iceland and Croatia have got those result in wembley with English refs?"
Population and resources = success according to this forum neatly you haven't addressed that which if you'd read my posts you'd know where I was going , so we will try again Croatia Iceland v England now no spin answer the question is resources and population a guarantee of success ?

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5059 - 12/07/2018 22:33:16    2121171

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Mayo v Galway?

Roscommon v Galway?

Meath v Tyrone?

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 18574 - 12/07/2018 22:55:00    2121181

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The title of the thread is very straightforward. This thread is supposed to be a broader conversation. An argument is someone looking to be right. A conversation is to find out what is right.

Waterford hurlers can't use Nowlan Park, which would suit them as a home venue of choice outside of their own county. They were denied this due to it being outside of Munster and yet the Leinster final replay can take place in Thurles.

My understanding was that Croke Park started to be used for a Spring Series. This was in someways influenced to fend off the competition of Leinster rugby gaining more momentum?

As the years have rolled on, this has increased familiarity for the host team at the venue. This is a different dynamic to times prior to the Spring Series.

It's a conversation to be had. The Spring Series is seen as an important promotional event for the game in the capital.

When the qualifiers were first voted in, they wanted to grant home advantage to provincial champions as a reward in the quarter-finals. Clare succeeded at the time in gaining support to shoot down that part of the plan. They argued it would be unfair on them to travel to Killarney were they to negotiate the qualifiers and make the quarter-finals.

It was agreed at the time that a neutral venue would be used instead. This is why Kerry played an All-Ireland quarter-final and replay of the All-Ireland quarter-final in Thurles in 2001.

After that the GAA decided to bring the quarter-finals into Croke Park. There was no fuss about that at the time.

That was a different time however. That was prior to the Spring Series. If the Spring Series was in existence at that time, it's hard to know if that would have been agreed.

Donegal and Jimmy McGuinness have started a healthy discussion. It's right to take a step back and ask - how have we arrived at this current setup? Does anything need to change due to different circumstances?

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 5664 - 14/07/2018 10:16:38    2121506

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Take the Dubs out of it and there were 7 home games in the Super 8s this summer. The final count was 5 away wins, 1 home win and a draw. The only home win was Kerry against eliminated Kildare. Of course the Dubs won their 2 games in Croke Park. I might be going crazy but I'm starting to think they are successful because they are a good side rather than because of where they play their games.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2204 - 05/08/2018 22:37:43    2129735

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Replying To Soma:  "Take the Dubs out of it and there were 7 home games in the Super 8s this summer. The final count was 5 away wins, 1 home win and a draw. The only home win was Kerry against eliminated Kildare. Of course the Dubs won their 2 games in Croke Park. I might be going crazy but I'm starting to think they are successful because they are a good side rather than because of where they play their games."
Away with you and your pesky facts and stats. Kerry and Mayo would have won 2 AIs each, don't you know, if it wasn't for the Dubs having home advantage all of the time. Malachy Clerkin attributes all of Dublin's success to our Croke Park residency apparently. Drop him a note perhaps. So it turns out that playimg at home in the championship is a disadvantage afterall.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 3303 - 06/08/2018 00:25:05    2129786

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In this format, provincial champions will be favourites against qualifier teams more often than not, be it home or away. Galway were already qualified. There's very little between Tyrone and Donegal. It was an Ulster derby. Home advantage should was there for Donegal. Full credit to Tyrone for overcoming that.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 5664 - 06/08/2018 10:26:40    2129889

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I found it amusing yesterday the RTE commentator speaking about Michael Murphy knowing everything about Ballybofey pitch, wind direction etc as he lined up a free from 45 metres. He drove it wide and a few minutes later Morgan hit a much more difficult one from the other end and put it over. If you can hit a free in a club pitch in Offaly you can hit a free in Donegal, Cork or Dublin. Home advantage is significant in some sports as the bigger home crowd can influence referees and players often try harder when playing in front of those who are paying them. In GAA, where the crowd is often 50:50, the idea of home advantage is just another excuse used to try and run down this excellent Dublin team.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2204 - 06/08/2018 12:02:36    2129928

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Replying To legendzxix:  "In this format, provincial champions will be favourites against qualifier teams more often than not, be it home or away. Galway were already qualified. There's very little between Tyrone and Donegal. It was an Ulster derby. Home advantage should was there for Donegal. Full credit to Tyrone for overcoming that."
Well I guess your points have been on stony ground from the start. Are Dublin more familiar with CP as a result of the Spring Series than other teams? Yes. Is this more familiarity, bearing in mind that players from those counties competing at the business end of the season are also very familiar with CP, a large enough advantage that it could sway a game i.e. trump whatever gap may exist anyway due to simply being better? Doubtful I would say. Are ALL Leinster teams at a similar advantage, and have they always been, given that the closing rounds of the LSFC have always been at CP? Yes. What boost does playing Dublin at CP give the opposition? Woukd it be sufficient to neutralise any Dublin "familiarity" advantage? Quite likely I would say. How many more games are Dublin getting in CP anyway, per year, that may lead to this familiarity advantage? Perhaps 4 or 5 I would say. However, don't forget that the opposition is also playing in CP for these games too. So they themselves are becoming more familiar with the ground. If the opposition gets to the league final they may play 3 games in CP in the league alone. Wow!! So let's assume that it is an unfair, albeit immeasurable, advantage? Do we move Dublin's home league games to Parnell and leave thousands of fans, the lifeblood of the sport, with no access? Do we forego the revenue from the CP games and that which is distributed to other counties? What do we do with Croke Park? Should Dublin build a new 30K seater stadium even though there is a ready made venue in the centre of the capital? All for what? For the sake of 4 or 5 games in CP that may or may not give Dublin an immeausurable advantage over opposition in the semis and final of the championship, an advantage that may or may not be neutralised by the boost received by the opposition in playing Dublin at that venue. Much ado about nothing it seems to me.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 3303 - 06/08/2018 12:20:24    2129940

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