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No simple as that , unless he chooses himself to go , not so long ago E Fitmaurice was past it , now he's brought through ladsand if the do the business in Sept he will revert back to being a genius, every manager makes mistakes and the one with the keeper is ancient history which should have no impact on current situation, the bad luck they have had few teams would be able to take without adverse effect Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 01/07/2018 18:17:06 2117310 Link 1 |
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Rochford has been a bit unlucky losing 2 All-Ireland finals by a single point. He did make a howler dropping Clarke for the final but did have Mayo in great shape at the business end of the season in 2016 and 2017. His biggest fault has been not bringing through enough younger players. Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1874 - 01/07/2018 18:27:50 2117315 Link 0 |
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I agree with you regarding young players. I thought he could have tried more forwards in the league games this year but give them 5 or 6 games to get used to intercounty. I don't think he needed to play Andy as much in the league. I'd say he's still a good manager and I think injuries really hampered him this year. The 2 midfielders were a huge loss, though young O'Connor was brilliant there yesterday & could work well there with a big lad in future. I don't like Cillian but I still think he's a very good footballer. I wonder is he fully fit because in the games I seen he wasn't really up to his usual high standard. I have no doubt though Mayo will be back next year & perhaps the break will do them good. Rossiemad (None) - Posts: 100 - 01/07/2018 19:14:43 2117334 Link 0 |
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Andy Moran played the league games as the best means to keep him match fit. At 34 if he took a break he'd have struggled to get back up to the pitch of the intercounty game. Mayo had a lot of injuries this year, with the likes of Harrison, Keegan, B Moran, Vaughan, Parsons, SOS, Regan and one or two others either permanently or almost entirely unfit in 2018. You could see how far Donal Vaughan was off the pace when he came on yesterday... he was a virtual spectator. I think even the Dubs would struggle if Fenton and McCarthy were out and Macaulay and whoever their 4th choice is were not match fit enough to even start. They'd have a midfield but just not one you'd expect too much of. What Rochford could be criticised for is not going to the likes of Shane Nally and Danny Kirby, but I say that not knowing how they've been doing in the panel, only that they're well regarded at club level. I think whether Stephen Rochford continues or not changes will be made to playing personnel and the coaching staff. There are some decent young prospects as well as guys who've been in the panel but who've never been given a proper run. Another injection of pace is needed. The league might have to be used more constructively in 2019. If Stephen decides to go James Horan would probably be interested. Peter Canaan has also expressed interest in the past and Pat Gilroy has been mentioned. My own preference is for Stephen Rochford to continue. James Horan after that. Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 01/07/2018 20:48:36 2117391 Link 0 |
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I think he was leaving last year but changed his mind when Donie Buckley stayed on and Buckley is one member of management that Mayo need to keep more than any other IMO. The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3755 - 01/07/2018 20:56:22 2117397 Link 0 |
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Interested to hear your thoughts as one of the most prominent Mayo posters... Given Rochford has 2 years to run and given the age profile would that not indicate that Mayo saw him as the man to manage the transition? Mayo could do a Donegal and rebuild a team relatively quickly. Keegan, O'Shea, McLoughlin and O'Connor are all still in their prime and Paddy Durcan and Diarmuid O'Connor were the main men Saturday night. That's a solid core there. Maybe Rochford can build his own team now- he has sort of been performing running repairs on James Horan's team for the last 3 years. roundball (Tipperary) - Posts: 2514 - 03/07/2018 12:19:34 2118064 Link 0 |
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There will be 2 possibly 3 retirements but not the wholesale clearout that many are predicting. A rest and re charge will do the players good. Diarmuid O Connor and Conor Loftus jetted out to the US on Sunday...let them enjoy the summer off. We need to re focus and aim to win a Connacht title next year and none of the Mayo 4...talk yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11230 - 03/07/2018 13:30:28 2118083 Link 1 |
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On Sunday?! That quick? They could do with a break alright, no one could begrudge them the summer off. Not fair to speculate on individuals but I had about 4-5 potential retirements. I'm sure regaining Connacht will be a major priority alright. I'd expect them to be a bit fresher in the league as well roundball (Tipperary) - Posts: 2514 - 03/07/2018 17:00:45 2118151 Link 0 |
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Whether Stephen stays or goes he needs to get more scores from play from the forwards he has from play and continue looking for more forwards. How can we tell if players like McLoughlin and Doherty are only occassionally encouraged to score from play rather than pass the ball even within scoring range or try and win frees? This tactic, I presume to get through a massed defence, of slowing down and handpassing back and forth on the periphery of defence needs to stop. Surely we can run hard at the defence and create spaces before the defence is organised or else kick long range points. Joking now but it seems the only way that tactic will get through a packed defence if the defenders get bored looking at this lethargic play and fall asleep! GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7344 - 03/07/2018 18:30:43 2118172 Link 1 |
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Have a word with yourself. Kieth higgins and D o Connor didnt help with the Galway defeats, hardly Rochfords fault. Mayo played a lovely style of football last year when they got going, footpassing was very nice to watch. He made some very good sideline decisions aswel, alan dillon v tyrone, aiden o shea v kerry to name a few. You say no new players but who would you of dropped last year? Andy Moran was player of the year, Boyle and Higgins had great seasons, put in some young lads instead even tho the lads are playing well. Give the man a chance, Mayo were very unlucky this year with injuries.
Dec82 (Clare) - Posts: 242 - 03/07/2018 18:51:52 2118178 Link 0 |
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Got to love the people calling for managers heads. How many of you are managers? Some on here been a few u10's to a blitz every few weeks and you think you are Mick O'Dywer. Did the man make mistakes? Yes he did. Did the players make mistakes just as much? By god they did. They are just as responsible for the Mayo defeats. The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 03/07/2018 19:37:16 2118187 Link 0 |
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It would appear that Mayo are the new Donegal in terms of writing the obituary. Just a couple of years ago there were plenty of threads on here and in the media saying Donegal were too old, too many miles in the legs etc etc fed into by weak apologies given by our poor management at the time. Myself and a couple of others here seen it for what it was as b**l knowing the younger talent was there but not utilized and our experienced players were being mishandled. First of all I don't think any of Mayo's older players look past it so why retire them? Roachford has done a decent job, resting players in the league and keeping them up. More importantly he has had them peaking at the right time even though it was hairy sometimes getting there along the way. Yes he made a cock up with the keeper but that apart tatically he has done fine. All and well calling for new players to come in but are they there? Plus the injuries this year were chronic. A long summers rest will do this Mayo team no harm. A kinder draw avoiding Galway in the first round next year will also be a big help. The biggest issue this Mayo side is finding a Paddy McB type player who guarantees u a certain amount of scores every game including from play. Cillian O'Connor will always get u scores but is never the most consistent game to game esp from play. I am not sure Mayo have this player and it will be an Achilles heal but also no reason why Mayo cannot be there or thereabouts next year either. panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2782 - 03/07/2018 20:33:06 2118198 Link 0 |
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Everyone's an expert sure....
yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11230 - 03/07/2018 20:34:13 2118199 Link 1 |
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Id like him to stay because as i think he was committed to getting James Horans team over the line, so maybe the younger generation of players didnt get a proper crack at it yet. He has no choice now but i think hes a very astute manager so we should trust him in moulding his own team together now and he still has a strong core of excellent players to build from . Vishred (Mayo) - Posts: 303 - 03/07/2018 21:10:28 2118209 Link 0 |
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Young family and demanding job....wouldn't be surprised to see him step away. I think we need a freshness...I think I hope he stays too. Nobody else within he county or outside available that I can think would be any better right now anyway. yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11230 - 03/07/2018 21:23:56 2118212 Link 1 |
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Were they unlucky with injuries? 2/3 starters out of 15 is fairly normal for any team. Vaughan also but he's more of a squad player. No Keegan for Galway game but they had O'Shea then. They had normal luck with injuries this year and exceptional good luck in the last 6/7 years with how few injuries they got and almost no serious long term ones. Has been quite an amazing run
PressureKick (UK) - Posts: 210 - 04/07/2018 01:37:58 2118289 Link 0 |
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Losing your Two 1st choice midfielders is hard to come back from. Séamus O'shea and Tom Parsons has become pivotal to us the last few years fair enough diarmuid O'Connor and Coen did well the last day but we lost the battle in midfield in the end. We were reliant on Aiden O'shea to win the long kick out last when Kildare pushed up on the short ones and Kildare made sure there were plenty of men around O'shea. To be honest we would have been vulnerable if we did go further this year.
Spoddgy (Mayo) - Posts: 660 - 04/07/2018 10:29:27 2118349 Link 0 |
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Brendan Harrison aswel which was a big loss to full back line. Keegan and Barrett are not long back from injury and probly could of done with more time. They have had good luck tho in past years and yes it was an amazing run, they will be missed this year.
Dec82 (Clare) - Posts: 242 - 04/07/2018 13:42:57 2118461 Link 0 |
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I think Rochford will go and it is probably the right time. This year was a bit of a disaster but the end was always coming. Last year against Dublin he got pretty much everything right tactically and bar a moment of madness from Vaughan we more than likely would have seen the game out. TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7891 - 05/07/2018 07:11:28 2118715 Link 0 |