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@CheachtPeile - I'm curious - do Cavan people like it, or want change, or are they just split down the middle ? What happens after 4 rds - one league table, to determine conventional KO, 8 of 16 or what ? omahant (USA) - Posts: 2533 - 20/07/2018 19:43:25 2124107 Link 0 |
@Whammo86 - Those 4 rds could have a lot of great Inter-Prov pairings - so it's not just all about the Ulster Champp and few games in Connacht anymore. A simple solution to a complex problem. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2533 - 20/07/2018 19:57:12 2124119 Link 0 |
With Dubs still playing same 3 games in Lein as now, they'd only have 1 different in Rd 1. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2533 - 20/07/2018 22:59:16 2124174 Link 0 |
Yeh 6 rounds moving to a top 20. Results carry forward. 2 further rounds moving to a top 12 knockout tournament could be interesting. It would provide teams with a lot of games and retain the Provincial championships. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4172 - 21/07/2018 04:40:08 2124198 Link 1 |
No I'd doubt Shara's name is known. This format was used previously in Longford (they changed their system in 2016) and (I think) predated Shara's proposal. It may be just a coincidence that the systems are similar.
CeachtPeile (Cavan) - Posts: 94 - 23/07/2018 22:36:24 2125472 Link 0 |
Last year there were 14 teams in the senior championship (this year there are 12). After four rounds of open draws (only proviso being that repeat fixtures were not allowed) the top eight teams went into the quarter finals (where there was then an open draw for pairings) and the bottom six went into relegation play offs. A major problem is that play-offs have to be used if teams are equal on points and a quarter final place is at stake. Score difference can't really be used as the teams will have had different schedules so you're not comparing like with like. The other problem is, because there's no seeding used for the draws, two teams can have very different schedules in terms of difficulty. CeachtPeile (Cavan) - Posts: 94 - 23/07/2018 22:51:17 2125480 Link 0 |
Yes, and Shara tries to overcome that last point with his pot subdivision. I think I like the round-by-round draw as teams cannot 'manage' where to get the required points in advance. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2533 - 24/07/2018 11:20:44 2125593 Link 0 |
The Super 8 has shown us a knee jerk reaction after Phase 1 and a more informed opinion after Phase 2. The GAA sensibly set this out as a 3 year trial period for that reason. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7755 - 24/07/2018 21:40:35 2125913 Link 0 |
Yeah man I have a couple of ideas. For the qualifiers: The first round should include the 4 beaten Munster and Connacht semifinalists. 4 teams should receive byes from this round with any team that won a Provincial game getting precedence. 8 teams eliminated The second round should include the 8 winners plus the 4 bye teams. 6 teams eliminated. Ulster and Leinster semifinalists and Munster and Connacht finalists should play in the 3rd round 6 teams eliminated Ulster and Leinster finalists join at round 4. 4 teams eliminated. Quarterfinals It's a close to fair representation of counties at each stage of the competition without over complicating things. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4172 - 24/07/2018 22:39:59 2125936 Link 1 |
@Whammo86 - You know I'd go for that. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2533 - 25/07/2018 15:14:19 2126138 Link 0 |
@Legendzxix You could have a Prov Last 24 (aligning Lein/Uls QFs and Muns/Conn SFs). They play 3 Front Door rds - 3 unbeaten to AI QFs. Losers of 12, 6, 3 enter Qual Rds 2, 3, 4. 8 'non-Prov Last 24' losers enter 8-team Qual Rd 1. Qual Rds 2, 3, 4 are Rds of 16, 14, 10. 5 Rd 4 winners complete the AI QFs. This 3 unbeaten Prov Champs + 5 Qualifiers (call it 3+5) is similar to my 2+6 but requires a Champs Playoff for Muns/Conn only. Regardless of effort and fairness, there has been some past resistance in this forum for treating Prov Champs differently - which led me to adjust to 2+6 and which has not attracted similar criticism. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2533 - 25/07/2018 15:34:29 2126147 Link 0 |
According to Joe Brolly on the SG the last night, Roscommon are not good enough for the Sam Maguire cup competition, and if my hearing wasn't deceiving me, he said that they should be playing in 'thepawdyshay', whatever that is! Can your remorseless appetite for draw format suggestions encompass a dog show like The Pawdy Shay into the overall scheme of things, doubling the number of games for all teams, while halving the timeframe for playing these games? Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3394 - 25/07/2018 16:03:12 2126155 Link 0 |
Look - without an audience and engagement by others I'd have to stop - the point being, others are sharing format ideas as well. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2533 - 25/07/2018 17:27:28 2126197 Link 0 |
It's the Leinster and Ulster county boards and provincial councils who should be seeking to iron out any provincial imbalance. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7755 - 26/07/2018 11:08:33 2126333 Link 0 |
Sorry - I don't understand the q- 'Dublin Region ?' - is it if I am in favour of splitting Dublin into separate regional entities ? If so, I believe yes. While I typically do not wish to curtail success - Kilk hurl or Kerry foot over the yrs - the Dub issue is different given the population and marketing power - things go in cycles, but this is one that appears unbreakable. To be fair to Dubs though, each county should be subject to similar rules - like should each team represent a similar population count ? Should we move toward Electoral Constituecies - Dubs 10 or so teams, Cork 4 etc. with more derbies adding to excitement. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2533 - 26/07/2018 17:04:01 2126486 Link 0 |
He was only messing. The thing is, if it got buy in a 5 team mini league with Provinces and Dublin would probably be an exciting tournament. 2 home games each, top 2 to the final. The intercounty championship would be incredibly competitive too minus Dublin. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4172 - 26/07/2018 20:13:02 2126519 Link 1 |
LOL - I totally missed that - lack of prior humour blindsided me - hahaha. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2533 - 26/07/2018 22:43:24 2126555 Link 0 |
The 4 Regions that make up the Dublin Region would each be allowed enter the All-Ireland Championship. It would mean 4 times as many players getting the opportunity to play inter-county football.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7755 - 26/07/2018 23:42:14 2126586 Link 0 |
Would any of you guys like a national club tournament in lieu of intercounty ? omahant (USA) - Posts: 2533 - 28/07/2018 22:40:32 2127121 Link 0 |
What a cracking wkd for the AI SHC SFs ! omahant (USA) - Posts: 2533 - 30/07/2018 05:17:26 2127426 Link 0 |