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Get Rid Of Extra Time As A New Game

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As title of thread states would people agree with this. Teams can replace a guy and go back to 15 on 15 if having had a player sent off which is just ridiculous. Same with issues around subs. its the same game just happens to need to be decided in more time than normal. that doesnt mean its a new game

DonaldDuck (Tipperary) - Posts: 267 - 12/06/2018 17:39:21    2110638

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Replying To DonaldDuck:  "As title of thread states would people agree with this. Teams can replace a guy and go back to 15 on 15 if having had a player sent off which is just ridiculous. Same with issues around subs. its the same game just happens to need to be decided in more time than normal. that doesnt mean its a new game"
Can't think any other sport where extra time is treated as a new game, open to correction

leftandwide (Meath) - Posts: 91 - 12/06/2018 18:01:38    2110652

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Agree totally. If it's a new game surely the guy missing the match through suspension could come on in extra time eg Peter harte v Meath last Saturday. It's nonsense.

Malonemagic (Laois) - Posts: 607 - 12/06/2018 18:09:33    2110656

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Don't agree, The original game finishes when the ref blows the final whistle. Extra time is completely seperate.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 4718 - 12/06/2018 18:24:35    2110665

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Replying To MuckrossHead:  "Don't agree, The original game finishes when the ref blows the final whistle. Extra time is completely seperate."
why is it? Why should it?
Extra time is simply a continuation of a game. You cant have extra time without the normal time. its the same game on same day.

DonaldDuck (Tipperary) - Posts: 267 - 12/06/2018 18:56:48    2110682

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Replying To DonaldDuck:  "As title of thread states would people agree with this. Teams can replace a guy and go back to 15 on 15 if having had a player sent off which is just ridiculous. Same with issues around subs. its the same game just happens to need to be decided in more time than normal. that doesnt mean its a new game"
giving lads a bit of support after a tough 70 minutes in summer weather is the least that should be done. a lot of these lads have a full weeks work starting the following day and with the new championship format, the possibility of a match almost every week. running teams into the ground isnt going to help so i dont mind that they get a replacement and more subs available. if it was a professional sport my opinion would be different.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 1649 - 12/06/2018 19:18:11    2110687

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Replying To SaffronDon:  "giving lads a bit of support after a tough 70 minutes in summer weather is the least that should be done. a lot of these lads have a full weeks work starting the following day and with the new championship format, the possibility of a match almost every week. running teams into the ground isnt going to help so i dont mind that they get a replacement and more subs available. if it was a professional sport my opinion would be different."
No problem with getting more subs in extra time but I think red cards should carry over into it.

leftandwide (Meath) - Posts: 91 - 12/06/2018 19:51:53    2110705

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Replying To leftandwide:  "No problem with getting more subs in extra time but I think red cards should carry over into it."
So long as its not the player who.was sent off that is coming back on i think the rule should stand. the other 14 players on the field shouldnt be further punished for one players actions.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 1649 - 12/06/2018 19:59:21    2110711

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Replying To MuckrossHead:  "Don't agree, The original game finishes when the ref blows the final whistle. Extra time is completely seperate."
Its not completely separate. If it was separate then a guy sent off for 2 yellow cards in normal time should be allowed back on. And anyone suspended for normal time should be allowed to play extra time. But the hint is in the word extra, which means "in addition to" and therefore extra time should be seen as part of the original game

890202 (Wexford) - Posts: 943 - 12/06/2018 22:39:39    2110805

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giving lads a bit of support after a tough 70 minutes in summer weather is the least that should be done. a lot of these lads have a full weeks work starting the following day and with the new championship format, the possibility of a match almost every week. running teams into the ground isnt going to help so i dont mind that they get a replacement and more subs available. if it was a professional sport my opinion would be different.
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 1612 - 12/06/2018 19:18:11
I think that the sport is amateur is irrelevant. Any other sport i know where extra time is played its the case that you cant go back to full amount of players if you had player sent off in regular time. You should get extra subs to use in extra time but the thread isnt about that


Its not completely separate. If it was separate then a guy sent off for 2 yellow cards in normal time should be allowed back on. And anyone suspended for normal time should be allowed to play extra time. But the hint is in the word extra, which means "in addition to" and therefore extra time should be seen as part of the original game
890202 (Wexford) - Posts: 850 - 12/06/2018 22:39:39
no they shouldnt in either case. Someone sent off in any form shouldnt be allowed play extra time. its the same game.

DonaldDuck (Tipperary) - Posts: 267 - 12/06/2018 22:58:56    2110817

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agree with this.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 2891 - 13/06/2018 09:12:10    2110873

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Rules very complicated. At under 21 game on Friday night Tyrone v Armagh there were two periods of extra time. Players sent off in first period of extra time were allowed to play in second period. I believe Tyrone Co Board are asking for this to be looked at.

Byanthon (Tyrone) - Posts: 1501 - 13/06/2018 09:38:56    2110883

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Interesting point. A team is let off the hook a bit if they are allowed to go back to 15 players having had a man sent off. But wouldn't it send out a good strong message about fair play if the red carded team were not allowed to return to 15 players? We would see less and less players getting sent off.

The black card mess is another talking mater altogether. A straight red for a black infringement committed in the last 10 minutes of ordinary time would surly stamp out the fouling we see at the end of every close game. Knowing you would not be able to play in the following match would put an end to the fouling for once and for all and allow the clock to run down normally.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3369 - 13/06/2018 10:15:18    2110896

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Iv no problem with the rule as it is as it means the extra time is competitive with 15 v 15 rather than a foregone conclusion if it's 15 v 14 or 13. I don't know why people are so keen to copy other sports, if it works in GAA well why care if it it works in basketball or ice hockey?
The rule I do have a problem with is another event that happened on Navan Saturday. Tiernan McCann struck a Meath player off the ball and was spotted by the linesman. However the game played on until the next break in play, which happened to be McCann winning a free for his team. He was then red carded and Tyrone took their free.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2204 - 13/06/2018 10:42:37    2110903

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Iv no problem with the rule as it is as it means the extra time is competitive with 15 v 15 rather than a foregone conclusion if it's 15 v 14 or 13. I don't know why people are so keen to copy other sports, if it works in GAA well why care if it it works in basketball or ice hockey?
The rule I do have a problem with is another event that happened on Navan Saturday. Tiernan McCann struck a Meath player off the ball and was spotted by the linesman. However the game played on until the next break in play, which happened to be McCann winning a free for his team. He was then red carded and Tyrone took their free.
Soma (UK) - Posts: 2172 - 13/06/2018 10:42:37

DonaldDuck (Tipperary) - Posts: 267 - 13/06/2018 12:37:38    2110991

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Iv no problem with the rule as it is as it means the extra time is competitive with 15 v 15 rather than a foregone conclusion if it's 15 v 14 or 13. I don't know why people are so keen to copy other sports, if it works in GAA well why care if it it works in basketball or ice hockey?
The rule I do have a problem with is another event that happened on Navan Saturday. Tiernan McCann struck a Meath player off the ball and was spotted by the linesman. However the game played on until the next break in play, which happened to be McCann winning a free for his team. He was then red carded and Tyrone took their free.
Soma (UK) - Posts: 2172 - 13/06/2018 10:42:37
This isnt about aping other sports its about doing something that makes sense and is better for the sport.
Extra time in no way is a new game. You cant have extra time without the 60/70 minutes before hand.
Extra time in no way is a foregone conclusion if a team is a player down.
I again disagree on the rule you have a problem with. That is good refereeing. The play should continue even if a linesman has spotted the incident. Wait for referee to see the linesman or if team who will get the free has possession see what they do with the ball and then go back if they dont do anything with it

DonaldDuck (Tipperary) - Posts: 267 - 13/06/2018 12:40:35    2110994

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Replying To DonaldDuck:  "giving lads a bit of support after a tough 70 minutes in summer weather is the least that should be done. a lot of these lads have a full weeks work starting the following day and with the new championship format, the possibility of a match almost every week. running teams into the ground isnt going to help so i dont mind that they get a replacement and more subs available. if it was a professional sport my opinion would be different.
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 1612 - 12/06/2018 19:18:11
I think that the sport is amateur is irrelevant. Any other sport i know where extra time is played its the case that you cant go back to full amount of players if you had player sent off in regular time. You should get extra subs to use in extra time but the thread isnt about that


Its not completely separate. If it was separate then a guy sent off for 2 yellow cards in normal time should be allowed back on. And anyone suspended for normal time should be allowed to play extra time. But the hint is in the word extra, which means "in addition to" and therefore extra time should be seen as part of the original game
890202 (Wexford) - Posts: 850 - 12/06/2018 22:39:39
no they shouldnt in either case. Someone sent off in any form shouldnt be allowed play extra time. its the same game."
The sport being amateur is definitely relative. Players don't have all day every day to recover and prepare for the next one like professional athletes do. With games coming thick and fast with the new championship format you have to be realistic and help serve the players who sacrifice so much and ask so little just to put on a show for the rest of us.

The GAA is different from any of the sports you mentioned. What is so unjust about helping out the law abiding players left on the pitch?

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 1649 - 13/06/2018 13:09:31    2111009

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The sport being amateur is definitely relative. Players don't have all day every day to recover and prepare for the next one like professional athletes do. With games coming thick and fast with the new championship format you have to be realistic and help serve the players who sacrifice so much and ask so little just to put on a show for the rest of us.

The GAA is different from any of the sports you mentioned. What is so unjust about helping out the law abiding players left on the pitch?
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 1613 - 13/06/2018 13:09:31
Im talking about the amateur sports as well and amateur rugby games....

DonaldDuck (Tipperary) - Posts: 267 - 13/06/2018 14:42:15    2111078

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Replying To DonaldDuck:  "The sport being amateur is definitely relative. Players don't have all day every day to recover and prepare for the next one like professional athletes do. With games coming thick and fast with the new championship format you have to be realistic and help serve the players who sacrifice so much and ask so little just to put on a show for the rest of us.

The GAA is different from any of the sports you mentioned. What is so unjust about helping out the law abiding players left on the pitch?
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 1613 - 13/06/2018 13:09:31
Im talking about the amateur sports as well and amateur rugby games...."
Why talk about any other sport? No two sports are the same. Look to what suits our own needs only is what we should be practicing.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 1649 - 13/06/2018 15:23:46    2111101

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Why talk about any other sport? No two sports are the same. Look to what suits our own needs only is what we should be practicing.
SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 1614 - 13/06/2018 15:23:46
Because its a basic comparison thats extremely vaild.
Extra time cant be a new game. It only exists because an existing game is level. It therefore isnt a new game. its a continuation of the 70 minutes before hand.

DonaldDuck (Tipperary) - Posts: 267 - 13/06/2018 15:32:40    2111107

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