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Stephen Cluxton

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Well unfortunately he has no one to blame but himself.

He could have still put in a strong challenge without following through like that.

He could have seriously hurt the fella similar to what Diarmuid OConnor did which let's be honest was one very unsavory incident . Just mindless and unnecessary.

You can be tough without resorting to the sort of tackles that could fracture a cheekbone or eye socket.

Not sure Cooper put the same sort of force into it but it doesn't take much to do plenty of damage around the eye.

I looked at it now a couple of times. It's a one game ban for me and then no harm having him miss another one. We've plenty of options to cover."
I have to agree, a bit of mea culpa on Jonnys behalf is needed.

Id generally back players as you need a bit of mischeif in an All Ireland winning team, but there has been a growing thread all through the league of him sailing close to the wind and been lucky on one or two occasions not to see red. In this Dublin team such is the obsession with them a bad rep is a target for referees or opposing players, you only have to look at Dermot flying out to Boston tomorrow to look at the impact it can have. Dermot is probably one of the cleanest players in Ireland in a game, but allowed others to put a target on his back by loosing his temper. If you cant beat quality you try to kick it.

A suspension is no harm for young Jonny if it comes to pass, its the time of yer for it to.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 12/06/2018 18:00:23    2110651

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Replying To gotmilk:  "Mcgivney desrved a red, dangerous challenge that could have badly hurt cluxton
Cooper deserved a red.

There is nothing else to say on this, anyone else saying different needs their head examined."
Agreed forget its Cluxton, when your airborne in the manner SC was and your taken out it's a lottery as to the outcome,Cooper love the fella but can have no complaints if he's hit retrospectively, can't fathom guys figuring if they like a bloke or what colour jersey they wear before posting on an incident, many many Dubs fell out last year by not defending a certain forward, some really poor posting on this incident

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 12/06/2018 18:33:43    2110674

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Replying To TheUsername:  "I have to agree, a bit of mea culpa on Jonnys behalf is needed.

Id generally back players as you need a bit of mischeif in an All Ireland winning team, but there has been a growing thread all through the league of him sailing close to the wind and been lucky on one or two occasions not to see red. In this Dublin team such is the obsession with them a bad rep is a target for referees or opposing players, you only have to look at Dermot flying out to Boston tomorrow to look at the impact it can have. Dermot is probably one of the cleanest players in Ireland in a game, but allowed others to put a target on his back by loosing his temper. If you cant beat quality you try to kick it.

A suspension is no harm for young Jonny if it comes to pass, its the time of yer for it to."
I seen Dermot do plenty on the pitch that was outside the law and he wasn't goaded either.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 12/06/2018 22:39:34    2110804

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "I seen Dermot do plenty on the pitch that was outside the law and he wasn't goaded either."
He certainly "man handled" his share of Kerry defenders alright !

No wonder you supported calls to cynically target him in the media...

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 13/06/2018 07:14:38    2110847

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Replying To jimbodub:  "He certainly "man handled" his share of Kerry defenders alright !

No wonder you supported calls to cynically target him in the media..."
He needs to take responsibility for that target that he put on his own back and stop blaming others for his troubles.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 13/06/2018 12:46:28    2110996

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "I seen Dermot do plenty on the pitch that was outside the law and he wasn't goaded either."
Connolly is a clean player (apart from one incident against Kildare years ago) he doesn't go out to injure players.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 13/06/2018 12:48:03    2110997

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "Connolly is a clean player (apart from one incident against Kildare years ago) he doesn't go out to injure players."
Its called putting it up to Dublin outside the Pale.

Its as good as winning an All Ireland down the country these days! :D

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 13/06/2018 13:08:28    2111008

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "He needs to take responsibility for that target that he put on his own back and stop blaming others for his troubles."
He also had former player household names in the national media calling on him to be cynically targeted...

Hardly fair and something you actually supported!

And you've the neck to question DC...

You're no shining example of virtue Kingdomboy

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 13/06/2018 13:09:35    2111010

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "He needs to take responsibility for that target that he put on his own back and stop blaming others for his troubles."
Never once has Connolly come out publicly and blame anyone for the treatment he gets.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 13/06/2018 13:14:27    2111014

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Replying To gotmilk:  "Mcgivney desrved a red, dangerous challenge that could have badly hurt cluxton
Cooper deserved a red.

There is nothing else to say on this, anyone else saying different needs their head examined."
McGivney went in late with a very late shoulder -Cluxton unfortunately got injured. It may be you opinion that it was a straight red buT many may not agree. Cooper went in with the closed fist and elbow on the Longford's players head. One player get a red while the other does not even get a yellow - are there different rules being applied and who are the individuals who should get their head examined -I would say the Longford forward!!

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 13/06/2018 13:27:30    2111018

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "I seen Dermot do plenty on the pitch that was outside the law and he wasn't goaded either."
It mustn't have been against Kerry so. Proper Goaders and dirty stuff from a lot of them lads. Seen it first hand too.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 13/06/2018 13:32:15    2111023

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "Connolly is a clean player (apart from one incident against Kildare years ago) he doesn't go out to injure players."
How about the league final last year when he whipped gavin Crowley to the ground for no reason?
Crowley was on the field for exactly 54 seconds and was running back towards his own goal when Dermot sprinted up to Crowley and took him to ground to stop him getting back into defence.

Now Dermot got a black card for it but who's fault was it?

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 13/06/2018 13:45:53    2111033

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "How about the league final last year when he whipped gavin Crowley to the ground for no reason?
Crowley was on the field for exactly 54 seconds and was running back towards his own goal when Dermot sprinted up to Crowley and took him to ground to stop him getting back into defence.

Now Dermot got a black card for it but who's fault was it?"
That was dirty?

He pulled him back by the jersey there was nothing whatsoever dirty in that, he just tried to gain a sneaky advantage and was caught.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 13/06/2018 14:13:07    2111054

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Sure Kingdomboy considers lightly touching someone with the end of your finger "man handling"

He sets a strange gauge for these incidents...

Hard to take anything he says with much merit when it comes to anything Dublin.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 13/06/2018 14:18:24    2111061

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "That was dirty?

He pulled him back by the jersey there was nothing whatsoever dirty in that, he just tried to gain a sneaky advantage and was caught."
I've great time for Connolly, ive watched him in both club and county and he's not a dirty player, he's a big loss to the county scene. For me the real guy who get away with murder is Cooper. Brilliant player but dives, feigns injury and winds lads up.
The one other is a particular sub who introduction is normally followed by pulling a guy to the ground or disrupting the game in other ways like a kicking tee.

westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 13/06/2018 15:02:27    2111087

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Replying To westkerry:  "I've great time for Connolly, ive watched him in both club and county and he's not a dirty player, he's a big loss to the county scene. For me the real guy who get away with murder is Cooper. Brilliant player but dives, feigns injury and winds lads up.
The one other is a particular sub who introduction is normally followed by pulling a guy to the ground or disrupting the game in other ways like a kicking tee."
Yeah you've have them aswell Barry John keane and Aidan O Mahony have done all of that, we all have them.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 13/06/2018 15:40:34    2111110

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Replying To westkerry:  "I've great time for Connolly, ive watched him in both club and county and he's not a dirty player, he's a big loss to the county scene. For me the real guy who get away with murder is Cooper. Brilliant player but dives, feigns injury and winds lads up.
The one other is a particular sub who introduction is normally followed by pulling a guy to the ground or disrupting the game in other ways like a kicking tee."
Would that be Costello by any chance?

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 13/06/2018 15:52:04    2111117

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Replying To Dubh_linn:  "It mustn't have been against Kerry so. Proper Goaders and dirty stuff from a lot of them lads. Seen it first hand too."
You're saying that when you have fellas like Phily Costello and cooper on yer team?

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 13/06/2018 15:54:26    2111118

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Would that be Costello by any chance?
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 7144 - 13/06/2018 15:52:04

Barry John Keane I'd say.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13705 - 13/06/2018 16:10:44    2111130

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Replying To clondalkindub:  "Yeah you've have them aswell Barry John keane and Aidan O Mahony have done all of that, we all have them."
Yep and both episodes were very embarrassing and were not well received in Kerry.

westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 13/06/2018 16:13:53    2111134

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