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Meath V Tyrone

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Tyrone by 7.

RoyalBadger (Meath) - Posts: 501 - 08/06/2018 12:54:48    2108665

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Hard to see any area were we can gain advantage over Tyrone in this game. They have the better players, playing at a much higher level and tactically we still haven't found a way to breakdown organised defensive systems.

I really hope we can show some pride though and not go out of the championship with a whimper. This is a home game and if we lose the summer is already over, we need to make Tyrone earn their victory.

Based on the evidence available Tyrone by more than 5 points.

HighKings (Meath) - Posts: 93 - 08/06/2018 13:33:59    2108682

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Replying To Furlong1949:  "
Replying To Furlong1949:  "[quote=JR_Iarmhi:  "Westmeath also beat Galway in 2006 [who were league runners up to Kerry that year
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I dont see that as beating a top team as Galway after 2001 in 00s were not a top team a top 5 or 6 team. They didnt win a match in Croker in 00s or couldnt win a qualfier game in 00s eitheir. Didnt reach a All Ireland semi final since 2001 and between 2002 and 2012 reached 1 All Ireland quarter final( Could be wrong with that stat they might have reached 2 but I think only 1 quater final, open to correction there).

From 2006 mid 00s into late 00s and early part of this decade, Galway were beaten in the championship by Meath twice, Westmeath, Sligo, Wexford, Antrim and nearly lost to Waterford. Their first win in qualifiers since 2001 in early part of this decade was v Waterford footballers. Mayo in the same time period reached 4 All Ireland senior finals. When Meath beat Galway in 07 and Westmeath in 06 they werent a top team.

Again only victories v top opposition by leinster teams outside the provience since 2000 besides Dublin are

In 2001 Meath beating All Ireland champions kerry, In 2001 Westmeath beating National league div 1 winners, two time all Ireland finalist and three time Connacht winners Mayo, In 2006 Laois beating reigning All Ireland champions Tyrone, In 2007 Meath beating reigning All Ireland champions Tyrone and the only win in this decade by leinster team v top 5 or 6 team outside leinster besides Dublin was in 2016 when Longford defeated Monaghan two time Ulster champions and a team who have been in the top 5 or 6 teams for the last 5 years in a row."]I should have made clearer that Galway after 2001 in the 00s didnt win in Croker in the championship and didnt win a qualifier game til they defeated Waterford footballers in 2010, 2011 or 2012. One of those years."]Yet another pointless history lesson. Focus on Meath v Tyrone and do us all a favour and stop waffling on.

RoylerKing (Meath) - Posts: 806 - 08/06/2018 14:01:53    2108697

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Replying To RoylerKing:  "
Replying To Furlong1949:  "[quote=Furlong1949:  "[quote=JR_Iarmhi:  "Westmeath also beat Galway in 2006 [who were league runners up to Kerry that year
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I dont see that as beating a top team as Galway after 2001 in 00s were not a top team a top 5 or 6 team. They didnt win a match in Croker in 00s or couldnt win a qualfier game in 00s eitheir. Didnt reach a All Ireland semi final since 2001 and between 2002 and 2012 reached 1 All Ireland quarter final( Could be wrong with that stat they might have reached 2 but I think only 1 quater final, open to correction there).

From 2006 mid 00s into late 00s and early part of this decade, Galway were beaten in the championship by Meath twice, Westmeath, Sligo, Wexford, Antrim and nearly lost to Waterford. Their first win in qualifiers since 2001 in early part of this decade was v Waterford footballers. Mayo in the same time period reached 4 All Ireland senior finals. When Meath beat Galway in 07 and Westmeath in 06 they werent a top team.

Again only victories v top opposition by leinster teams outside the provience since 2000 besides Dublin are

In 2001 Meath beating All Ireland champions kerry, In 2001 Westmeath beating National league div 1 winners, two time all Ireland finalist and three time Connacht winners Mayo, In 2006 Laois beating reigning All Ireland champions Tyrone, In 2007 Meath beating reigning All Ireland champions Tyrone and the only win in this decade by leinster team v top 5 or 6 team outside leinster besides Dublin was in 2016 when Longford defeated Monaghan two time Ulster champions and a team who have been in the top 5 or 6 teams for the last 5 years in a row."]I should have made clearer that Galway after 2001 in the 00s didnt win in Croker in the championship and didnt win a qualifier game til they defeated Waterford footballers in 2010, 2011 or 2012. One of those years."]Yet another pointless history lesson. Focus on Meath v Tyrone and do us all a favour and stop waffling on."]Wexford beat Armagh in 2008 in the All Ireland quater final who were Ulster champions

JR_Iarmhi (Westmeath) - Posts: 35 - 08/06/2018 14:48:24    2108717

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Replying To RoylerKing:  "
Replying To Furlong1949:  "[quote=Furlong1949:  "[quote=JR_Iarmhi:  "Westmeath also beat Galway in 2006 [who were league runners up to Kerry that year
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I dont see that as beating a top team as Galway after 2001 in 00s were not a top team a top 5 or 6 team. They didnt win a match in Croker in 00s or couldnt win a qualfier game in 00s eitheir. Didnt reach a All Ireland semi final since 2001 and between 2002 and 2012 reached 1 All Ireland quarter final( Could be wrong with that stat they might have reached 2 but I think only 1 quater final, open to correction there).

From 2006 mid 00s into late 00s and early part of this decade, Galway were beaten in the championship by Meath twice, Westmeath, Sligo, Wexford, Antrim and nearly lost to Waterford. Their first win in qualifiers since 2001 in early part of this decade was v Waterford footballers. Mayo in the same time period reached 4 All Ireland senior finals. When Meath beat Galway in 07 and Westmeath in 06 they werent a top team.

Again only victories v top opposition by leinster teams outside the provience since 2000 besides Dublin are

In 2001 Meath beating All Ireland champions kerry, In 2001 Westmeath beating National league div 1 winners, two time all Ireland finalist and three time Connacht winners Mayo, In 2006 Laois beating reigning All Ireland champions Tyrone, In 2007 Meath beating reigning All Ireland champions Tyrone and the only win in this decade by leinster team v top 5 or 6 team outside leinster besides Dublin was in 2016 when Longford defeated Monaghan two time Ulster champions and a team who have been in the top 5 or 6 teams for the last 5 years in a row."]I should have made clearer that Galway after 2001 in the 00s didnt win in Croker in the championship and didnt win a qualifier game til they defeated Waterford footballers in 2010, 2011 or 2012. One of those years."]Yet another pointless history lesson. Focus on Meath v Tyrone and do us all a favour and stop waffling on."]Im just making the point that Leinster teams beating top division 1 oppostion outside the provience since 2000 is very rare. And in this decade is incredibly rare, it is only happened once. Im not talking about the past Im talking this era , the current era and the fact is only 1 leinster team in this decade has beaten a top team, a top division 1 team outside the provience besides Dublin. And that only victory by leinster team beating top 5 or 6 team since 2010 was Longford beating Monaghan in 2016. That is the best victory any leinster team has had outside the provience since 2010. That is an indication of how weak leinster football is besides the Dubs.

PS JR iarmhi, yep thats another victory. Wexford v Armagh in 08. I forgot about that one. Im just remebering games off the top of my head, so I do miss one or two. Where Armagh in decline in 08 ? it was 6 years since they won Sam in 08. Where they in the top 5 or 6 teams in the country in 2008. They were in divsion 2 in 2008 and 2009. But I will take that as another victory v top team for leinster football. JR Iarmhi, what do you think would you include it?. So that would be six victories for leinster teams v top oppostion since 2000. But only 1 of those 6 victories occured in this decade the other 5 were in the 00. Leinster football was more competitive inside and outside the provience in the 00s. it has fallen of the cliff in this decade with exception of Dublin of course.

Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 456 - 08/06/2018 18:52:54    2108778

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Replying To HighKings:  "Hard to see any area were we can gain advantage over Tyrone in this game. They have the better players, playing at a much higher level and tactically we still haven't found a way to breakdown organised defensive systems.

I really hope we can show some pride though and not go out of the championship with a whimper. This is a home game and if we lose the summer is already over, we need to make Tyrone earn their victory.

Based on the evidence available Tyrone by more than 5 points."
I call b/s. Meath won't stay the course for an entire c'ship but a tea with tradition can always lift it to knock a so-called favourite off their perch. This is a weakened Tyrone team afflicted by some odd selection decisions. Nobody in Tyrone I've spoken to would be too surprised if Tyrone lost - and some wouldn't care if it meant we could get players back for the club competitions. Given that Tyrone's exit without winning Sam is inevitable, whether that exit is tomorrow or later on hardly matters.

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 435 - 08/06/2018 19:04:40    2108782

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Best wishes and safe journey to all traveling from Tyrone. Of course I hope it's a Meath win. So all the best to Andy Brian and all the players.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 13570 - 09/06/2018 07:53:58    2108856

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Best wishes and safe journey to all traveling from Tyrone. Of course I hope it's a Meath win. So all the best to Andy Brian and all the players."
Cheers Royal. Heading down. Good weather, hopefully a good game with a Tyrone win ;)

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 1197 - 09/06/2018 11:19:14    2108893

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A sunny summers day and a championship game in Navan with two teams with huge questions to answer.

Are Meath as bad as they have looked or is there a big day and a big result in them?

Are Tyrone still genuine Super 8 contenders or are they on a downhill slope?

Maybe not the best game to look forward to but it will be intriguing all the same and by 7pm tonight maybe some questions will have been answered.

Looking forward to the game and hoping for a big crowd, great atmosphere and a Meath victory to cheer us Royals up.

To the Meath supporters, lets all get behind the team and hope they can pull it off.

To all Tyrone supporters, welcome to Navan, enjoy the game and most of all safe travelling.

ROYALOPTIMIST (Meath) - Posts: 93 - 09/06/2018 11:20:48    2108895

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Jesus I'm nearly up for Meath, despite the nonsense that comes from some of their historians on here. Meaths record in the qualifiers is probably as bad as it gets but they always have belief and I do think they're capable of having a good day. Is it today?
With Peter Harte and Mattie Donnelly(?) sidelined, Tyrone would be lacking in star quality, so this is fairly even. Don't be surprised if a Leinster team beats an ulster team, it's not new.

jonno (Kildare) - Posts: 152 - 09/06/2018 13:22:56    2108920

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Replying To jonno:  "Jesus I'm nearly up for Meath, despite the nonsense that comes from some of their historians on here. Meaths record in the qualifiers is probably as bad as it gets but they always have belief and I do think they're capable of having a good day. Is it today?
With Peter Harte and Mattie Donnelly(?) sidelined, Tyrone would be lacking in star quality, so this is fairly even. Don't be surprised if a Leinster team beats an ulster team, it's not new."
Even more surprising I am hoping for both Kildare and Westmeath to win (I'm blaming it on the sun).

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 13570 - 09/06/2018 13:46:58    2108928

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Defence is so poor, bringing back numbers is no use if you don't actually tackle anyone. They also look clumsy and awkward when the do tackle, looks like they're going to give needless free away.

Upfront, we must not have watched how Monaghan deconstructed the Tyrone defence once they had numbers back. We need to spread them wide and then cut back against the grain with a hard run. We have the players to do that in O'Sullivan, Reilly and Brennan.

Have to increase the defensive intensity, and also need to switch Gallagher off McAliskey.
We really need someone from Ulster to coach us in defensive systems.

HighKings (Meath) - Posts: 93 - 09/06/2018 17:44:24    2108988

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Tyrone two up. Missed a bag full. Hopefully it won't come back and bite them. Meath have a few tidy players who could do damage

The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 1197 - 09/06/2018 17:53:48    2108991

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Meath have a great chance here playing well and the better team last half hour. Tyrone are shocking bad

Cuckoosinging (Roscommon) - Posts: 828 - 09/06/2018 17:59:55    2108994

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Holds nose. Deep breath. Bites lip.......HON DA ROYAL

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 7957 - 09/06/2018 18:12:45    2108997

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I know emotions are high but why are Meath fans booing every single free that is given against them. Everyone one of them were definite frees

Cuckoosinging (Roscommon) - Posts: 828 - 09/06/2018 18:18:13    2109000

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Meath are up for this - and could easily have just been awarded a penalty.
Extra time would not be a surprise.

Knoxboya (Monaghan) - Posts: 188 - 09/06/2018 18:22:44    2109001

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at this point if tyrone get away with a win here BIG changes are needed, what a complete ball of crap, enough wides to win 2 games and the goal chance misses are criminal, time harte looked at himself and asked is he the problem or are tyrone deluding themselves that they are a top 4 team, utter useless

bulmccabe (Tyrone) - Posts: 334 - 09/06/2018 18:22:57    2109002

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Fancy Tyrone in extra time. They'll be dangerous beast if they survive this!!

Brolly (Monaghan) - Posts: 4432 - 09/06/2018 18:40:42    2109007

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Ben brennan brilliant for meath.

very good performance from meath they deserve it from here.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 12647 - 09/06/2018 18:47:29    2109010

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