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Is Leinster Football Dead And Buried?

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "I know sure. But I only asked about Dublin's Leinster competitors. There's no point in thinking they're unbeatable. They've set a high bar, up to the rest to try and reach that level even it's a massive challenge. Like Offaly in the early 80s. They said that great Kerry team wouldn't be beaten but McGee's men proved them wrong."
I agree, if you are beaten going out then forget about it. Be interesting to see how the Super 8s go now and see what mix of results pan out. We can't play Dublin until at least a semi final if we were to get that far. Although I did think the example you gave, if the light of what this thread is about, of Kerry in the 80s being beaten by Offaly.........a team outside Kerry's province was kind of stepping on your own point:)

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 08/07/2018 15:37:22    2119623

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "I asked what competition do the Dublin Senior team have in the Leinster Championship. The reply was waffling on about the Munster Championship and underage teams in Leinster."
Was anything that was said about Munster untrue?

Dubsfan28 (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 08/07/2018 15:40:49    2119626

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Replying To Fionn:  "One thing is for sure - the Leinster Championship is more competitive than the Munster Football Championship, and that is for sure

Kildare on the up, Laois improving, Meath underage getting back on track also.

So to all the Kerry posters on here - what competition has Munster got to offer Kerry footballers for the foreseeable future,,, Cork....??? Dont make me laugh. They are fast becoming a Hurling county only....
For a county that size, populaton and excellent sponsorship - Cork are shocking...

Kerry will win the next 10 Munster Championships EASILY..... to add to the 80 provinicial titles in the bag,,,
Kerry Minors and Under 20's very strong so the conveyor belt shows no signs of coming to a halt...
Yes, some Kerry poster moan about the lack of competition Dublin have in Leinster....
Such hypocrites... More of the cute hoorism they are famous for....


But sssshhh, don't let them Kerry folk know we can see through their deflection tactics..... ;o)"
Cork are at an all time low it seems, but a county that size can turn things around very quickly with the right setup. Remember Dublin got hammered in 09 and came back and won an All Ireland just two seasons later.

One comment I would make about cork is that they need to address their fitness and conditioning, they were miles off both Kerry and Tyrone. They probably also need a few retirements and to get the best young players in the county to commit to playing.

In Munster both Tipperary and Clare are solid division two teams. I'm not sure what happened Clare against Kerry this year, they should be better than that. It's hard though, Kerry, Dublin and a handful of other counties are nearing professional levels of preparation at this stage and unless you embrace that as well it's just about impossible to compete.

I don't really care which province is worse off, both are awful. I think the argument to scrap the provincials is gaining momentum and we'll probably see a change after the three year Super 8 experiment is over. It can't come soon enough in my view. The championship is boring and predictable until you get to the q/f stage.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 08/07/2018 15:51:58    2119633

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Replying To Dubsfan28:  "Was anything that was said about Munster untrue?"
Well true that Kerry are well out in front but 3/5 other counties are in Division 2. Cork were very poor this championship though. A real enigma now, a feast or a famine. I don't agree that the gap between Kerry and the rest in Munster is as wide as Dublin and the rest of Leinster.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7335 - 08/07/2018 18:15:41    2119718

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Well true that Kerry are well out in front but 3/5 other counties are in Division 2. Cork were very poor this championship though. A real enigma now, a feast or a famine. I don't agree that the gap between Kerry and the rest in Munster is as wide as Dublin and the rest of Leinster."
Ah come off it!!

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 08/07/2018 18:21:05    2119720

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Leinster should be ran as 2 groups of 4. The bottom team in each shall be relegated. The winner of a second tier group of 3 should be promoted. It would set some standard within the province.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7821 - 08/07/2018 18:39:55    2119724

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Replying To kildare73:  "Ah come off it!!"
You think Kildare and Meath or the Division 3 or 4 Leinster teams are closer to beating Dublin than Tipp, Cork or Clare are to beating Kerry? This is a Kerry team that seems to be emerging, and hopefully will, as a force in 2018. Tipp and Clare have improved their standards and are comfortably a Division 2 team. Carlow and Laois may be rising but Meath, Louth. Wexford and Westmeath, competitive in Leinster in the past 10 years are stagnating or regressing. They're competitive with one another but, unfortunately, won't challenge The Dubs anytime soon.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7335 - 08/07/2018 18:55:02    2119726

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "You think Kildare and Meath or the Division 3 or 4 Leinster teams are closer to beating Dublin than Tipp, Cork or Clare are to beating Kerry? This is a Kerry team that seems to be emerging, and hopefully will, as a force in 2018. Tipp and Clare have improved their standards and are comfortably a Division 2 team. Carlow and Laois may be rising but Meath, Louth. Wexford and Westmeath, competitive in Leinster in the past 10 years are stagnating or regressing. They're competitive with one another but, unfortunately, won't challenge The Dubs anytime soon."
Kildare have played Dublin twice, both in Croke Park, and lost by 9 and 7 points respectively. Cork could only pray to be that close to Kerry. And as you said this Kerry team seem to be emerging. What will Munster be like when they eventually emerge?? Kerry run up a record 32 point championship win against Clare, then followed it up by beating Cork, supposedly their nearest rivals by the biggest margin in 80 years. And don't forget Cork disposed of Tipp pretty easily prior to that. Then allow that Leinster has Dublin, probably by now the best team to play the game in its province, Munster teams can't say up until now they have had the same calibre of team to take on. Tipp, Clare, Meath, Cork, Laois,Westmeath.......You can throw a blanket over them as far as beating the big team in their province goes but Kerry are the ones breaking the records this year within their province. Plus underage in Leinster doesn't have Dublin dominating unlike Kerry in Munster. So to your original question, there's no doubt in my mind Munster is, and going to stay, worse off than Leinster. Just one Munster team in the Super 8s too.

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 08/07/2018 19:15:37    2119744

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The bottom line is Dublin are experiencing any era of exceptional talent while the other traditional Leinster football rivals have regressed.
In Munster which is predominantly hurling first and always was you have nobody bar Cork to oppose Kerry and that's the way it's been since day one.
Cork are also all about hurling and will only manage to get their act together once in a blue moon.
The record will prove that as opposed to the variation of title holders in Leinster over the history of the GAA.
Dublin at the moment are exceptional and fortunate to have a great crop of players at a time when all of the other Leinster counties are poor .
The likelihood is this will come to an end before Munster is ever truly anything other than a one horse race.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 08/07/2018 20:17:58    2119769

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Replying To Dubh_linn:  "The bottom line is Dublin are experiencing any era of exceptional talent while the other traditional Leinster football rivals have regressed.
In Munster which is predominantly hurling first and always was you have nobody bar Cork to oppose Kerry and that's the way it's been since day one.
Cork are also all about hurling and will only manage to get their act together once in a blue moon.
The record will prove that as opposed to the variation of title holders in Leinster over the history of the GAA.
Dublin at the moment are exceptional and fortunate to have a great crop of players at a time when all of the other Leinster counties are poor .
The likelihood is this will come to an end before Munster is ever truly anything other than a one horse race."
And Don't Forget Home Advantage all the time in all important games. Never forget that, because the whole Country has woken up to the fact at last. If treated on the same basis as every other County you are fairly average. Kerry Had to go up to your Home Ground and beat you on many occasions.

SAMMYTHEBULL (Galway) - Posts: 1646 - 08/07/2018 20:52:20    2119789

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Replying To SAMMYTHEBULL:  "And Don't Forget Home Advantage all the time in all important games. Never forget that, because the whole Country has woken up to the fact at last. If treated on the same basis as every other County you are fairly average. Kerry Had to go up to your Home Ground and beat you on many occasions."
Sure we're the only team that doesn't get a home game in the whole competition. PP is Where Dublin Hurlers play their home games.
You need to appreciate what Dublin are doing for all the others and letting them enjoy every players dream of playimg in Croke Park
And don't forget ye still wouldn't have won an AI but for the fact that Leinster let ye play there. Show some respect there Bully boy.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 09/07/2018 08:20:34    2119852

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Replying To Dubh_linn:  "The bottom line is Dublin are experiencing any era of exceptional talent while the other traditional Leinster football rivals have regressed.
In Munster which is predominantly hurling first and always was you have nobody bar Cork to oppose Kerry and that's the way it's been since day one.
Cork are also all about hurling and will only manage to get their act together once in a blue moon.
The record will prove that as opposed to the variation of title holders in Leinster over the history of the GAA.
Dublin at the moment are exceptional and fortunate to have a great crop of players at a time when all of the other Leinster counties are poor .
The likelihood is this will come to an end before Munster is ever truly anything other than a one horse race."
Look at mino and u20 games in the past few weeks.... Soundly beaten in both competitions.. your run of talent is coming to an end i think.

Caoimhog88 (Kildare) - Posts: 82 - 09/07/2018 08:36:29    2119857

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Replying To Dubh_linn:  "Sure we're the only team that doesn't get a home game in the whole competition. PP is Where Dublin Hurlers play their home games.
You need to appreciate what Dublin are doing for all the others and letting them enjoy every players dream of playimg in Croke Park
And don't forget ye still wouldn't have won an AI but for the fact that Leinster let ye play there. Show some respect there Bully boy."
Very true, for all the bull**** coming from sammythe about the GAA favouring one county above all others, he forgets that until the GAA foisted Galway into Leinster their hurlers were in a wilderness, now after being allowed play at a higher standard Galway are winning all Irelands. Is that just coincidence, or is it evidence of the kind of favouritism sammy gets so upset by.

AHP (Dublin) - Posts: 323 - 09/07/2018 08:53:22    2119864

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Replying To AHP:  "Very true, for all the bull**** coming from sammythe about the GAA favouring one county above all others, he forgets that until the GAA foisted Galway into Leinster their hurlers were in a wilderness, now after being allowed play at a higher standard Galway are winning all Irelands. Is that just coincidence, or is it evidence of the kind of favouritism sammy gets so upset by."
So Galway playing most of their matches away from home at a higher standard is favouritism?

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7335 - 09/07/2018 10:07:23    2119891

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Replying To Caoimhog88:  "Look at mino and u20 games in the past few weeks.... Soundly beaten in both competitions.. your run of talent is coming to an end i think."
Exactly!! Just like we always said it would.

Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 09/07/2018 10:07:43    2119892

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Replying To SAMMYTHEBULL:  "And Don't Forget Home Advantage all the time in all important games. Never forget that, because the whole Country has woken up to the fact at last. If treated on the same basis as every other County you are fairly average. Kerry Had to go up to your Home Ground and beat you on many occasions."
I would agree to this if as you say the rest of the country are ceding Croke Park to Dublin, then there should be discussions about taking All Ireland finals out of Croke Park.

Lets call it what it is Croke Park is Dublins ground.

PUC could conceivably hold an All Ireland final if you took free tickets for the hangers on out of the equation. No reason why it cant be done.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 09/07/2018 10:46:54    2119908

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Replying To Caoimhog88:  "Look at mino and u20 games in the past few weeks.... Soundly beaten in both competitions.. your run of talent is coming to an end i think."
That is interesting in itself, these were the kids that would have grown up during the great games development funding boon from 2005 onward.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 09/07/2018 10:50:52    2119911

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "So Galway playing most of their matches away from home at a higher standard is favouritism?"
Nothing to do with where their games are played, but you have to accept that being allowed compete in the Leinster championship has helped with the progress Galway hurlers have made in recent years.

AHP (Dublin) - Posts: 323 - 09/07/2018 14:43:49    2120034

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Replying To Caoimhog88:  "Look at mino and u20 games in the past few weeks.... Soundly beaten in both competitions.. your run of talent is coming to an end i think."
Not at all you forget we only need a few players from U20/Minor coming through Kildare on the other hand need a a full genetic crop since you are starting from zero.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4895 - 09/07/2018 14:54:34    2120040

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Replying To TheUsername:  "That is interesting in itself, these were the kids that would have grown up during the great games development funding boon from 2005 onward."
Yes but as we always said, funding doesn't make great players. I posted a quote from a member of the Croatian soccer backroom team on this the other day. A country that didn't have great facilities or population producing some of the finest players in the world. They formed a plan and adapted to make the best use of what they have. It's a simple game at the end of the day but it's easier to blame others (your tools) for the lack of your own success (bad workmanship).

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 09/07/2018 15:09:51    2120051

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