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While the title of this thread would have worked better last year when the captain America civil war film was out there does seem to be serious trouble brewing in Tyrone. On the one side you have Team Cap led by former captain Sean Cavanagh (Captain America), Colm Cavanagh (Bucky), Owen Mulligan (Hawkeye), Ronan O'Neill (Black widow). On the other side you have Mickey (Iron man), Phillip Jordan (War Machine - sidekick who was there from the start) and it would seem the rest of the Tyrone panel including a young Lee Brennan as Spiderman.
Sorry about the marvel reference but i thought it was to good of a reference to turn down, but it would seem all is not well in the Tyrone camp. Cavanagh coming out and taking into Mickey less than a year after his last game for him. First of all he says Tyrone need new tactics and Monaghan beat them because they had sussed their tactics. Then he comes out and says Tyrone would have won if they kept his brother on the pitch. Shots fired from Sean. Mulligan today comes out and has a blast at Mickey and the Tyrone set up, a few weeks after he has a pop at the current Tyrone squad. Ronan O'Neill taking into Harte at the end of the game on Sunday when substituted.
In fairness to Mickey he hasn't publicly retaliated but Phillip Jordan is in his corner and has called out Cavanagh and co for their statements. He's really went for his fellow clubman Cavanagh and accused him of trying to be controversial to make a name for himself. No one in the Tyrone panel has said anything publicly about it but is everything alright in the panel? Is everything alright in the panel? There seems to be a lot of in fighting going on around Tyrone. Perhaps I've misread the situation but there seems to be serious factions developing in Tyrone with the Pro and anti Mickey camps developing.
Who knows what the rest of this year holds for Tyrone but the signs don't look good at the minute away from the pitch. Fighting like this wont end well, it never does.
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 23/05/2018 17:01:59
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Replying To gotmilk: "While the title of this thread would have worked better last year when the captain America civil war film was out there does seem to be serious trouble brewing in Tyrone. On the one side you have Team Cap led by former captain Sean Cavanagh (Captain America), Colm Cavanagh (Bucky), Owen Mulligan (Hawkeye), Ronan O'Neill (Black widow). On the other side you have Mickey (Iron man), Phillip Jordan (War Machine - sidekick who was there from the start) and it would seem the rest of the Tyrone panel including a young Lee Brennan as Spiderman.
Sorry about the marvel reference but i thought it was to good of a reference to turn down, but it would seem all is not well in the Tyrone camp. Cavanagh coming out and taking into Mickey less than a year after his last game for him. First of all he says Tyrone need new tactics and Monaghan beat them because they had sussed their tactics. Then he comes out and says Tyrone would have won if they kept his brother on the pitch. Shots fired from Sean. Mulligan today comes out and has a blast at Mickey and the Tyrone set up, a few weeks after he has a pop at the current Tyrone squad. Ronan O'Neill taking into Harte at the end of the game on Sunday when substituted.
In fairness to Mickey he hasn't publicly retaliated but Phillip Jordan is in his corner and has called out Cavanagh and co for their statements. He's really went for his fellow clubman Cavanagh and accused him of trying to be controversial to make a name for himself. No one in the Tyrone panel has said anything publicly about it but is everything alright in the panel? Is everything alright in the panel? There seems to be a lot of in fighting going on around Tyrone. Perhaps I've misread the situation but there seems to be serious factions developing in Tyrone with the Pro and anti Mickey camps developing.
Who knows what the rest of this year holds for Tyrone but the signs don't look good at the minute away from the pitch. Fighting like this wont end well, it never does." As far as Sean is concerned, iI think that he should have been a bit more vocal in his concerns about things when he was playing, rather than coming out now and saying things. As Mickey himself said once if you've nothing good to say, better say nothing atall. Granted they've all got valid points but I don't see other ex county players slagging off their management tactics, systems, etc especially in the middle of a championship campaign. The most disappointing thing about our last 2 championship matches is the fact that we didn't put up much of a fight, I would hope the squad is itching to get back out and show what they and Tyrone are all about who-ever we play. It's a pity some ex-players wouldn't encourage them to do the same
Dergforeeva (Tyrone) - Posts: 90 - 23/05/2018 19:02:21
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Loved Cavanagh as a player but can't stand him as a pundit... with a book coming out I feel he is attempting to increase sales....good luck to him but I won't be buying the book.
yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11227 - 23/05/2018 22:21:01
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Replying To Dergforeeva: "As far as Sean is concerned, iI think that he should have been a bit more vocal in his concerns about things when he was playing, rather than coming out now and saying things. As Mickey himself said once if you've nothing good to say, better say nothing atall. Granted they've all got valid points but I don't see other ex county players slagging off their management tactics, systems, etc especially in the middle of a championship campaign. The most disappointing thing about our last 2 championship matches is the fact that we didn't put up much of a fight, I would hope the squad is itching to get back out and show what they and Tyrone are all about who-ever we play. It's a pity some ex-players wouldn't encourage them to do the same" I agree with you here. I'm fully backing Mickey and Jordan here. What I liked about Jordan was that he has said he will say it to Cavanaghs face that he's just self publicising.
gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 24/05/2018 11:54:38
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A few thoughts on this:
1) I don't think that Philly Jordan was saying he disagreed with Sean's points, but rather the timing of them and his medium for expressing them.
2) Sean has never been shy of talking to the press, so it should surprise nobody that he is doing so even more now that he's being paid to talk. We all talk about GAA matters here for free, whereas Sean gets paid €1,000 for a night on RTE - fair play to him.
3) Sean is undoubtedly hoping to sell copies of his book and will be doing his best to market it, but that doesn't mean that what he says isn't honest. He might feel that, having played the perfect captain / team member for almost 2 decades, he's entitled to be more open now. Remember, Mickey has written 2 books while manager of Tyrone, both of which revealed 'secrets' from within the squad. If Sean is about to do the same, he could feel that he is only following the example his manager has set
4) Down the years, there have been occasional whispers of Mickey and Sean not seeing eye to eye. I can think of several, most notably (but not only) when Mickey wrote about the 2009 AI semi final in his 2nd book. I honestly can't recall any GAA manager publicly hanging one of his players out to dry in the way Mickey did to Sean in that book - I thought it was disgraceful.
5) Mickey is marmite. There are people in Tyrone who love him and think that he can do no wrong. They want him to remain as Tyrone manager for as long as he wishes. Then, there are others who can't stand him, be it for football reasons, social reasons or personality. It should come as no surprise that, just like everyone else, his players fall into one of those 2 camps too.
Thomas Clarke (Tyrone) - Posts: 1002 - 24/05/2018 13:25:05
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Personally think Cavanagh is correct and Mugsy especially - Harte played injured players in a big game - we now hear both Lee Brennan and Bradley out for lengthy periods and Colm C and McCann God only knows if that game set them back - Harte has not learned anything and has no Plan B. I'm now beginning to form the opinion that actually anyone could have won those All irelands in the noughties with that team - if Tyrone don't lose Harte soon it will be a very short summer!!!!
IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 24/05/2018 16:36:29
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Replying To IrishGael3: "Personally think Cavanagh is correct and Mugsy especially - Harte played injured players in a big game - we now hear both Lee Brennan and Bradley out for lengthy periods and Colm C and McCann God only knows if that game set them back - Harte has not learned anything and has no Plan B. I'm now beginning to form the opinion that actually anyone could have won those All irelands in the noughties with that team - if Tyrone don't lose Harte soon it will be a very short summer!!!!" Mickey took a huge gamble in playing injured players no doubt about that, maybe he thought the game would bring them on in regards fitness in Mc Canns and Collie Cavanaghs case, but young Brennan's hamstrung injury might have been too risky in hindsight. Then again with hamstrings they could go any time, Still think big Sean should have kept his powder dry so to speak, for now anyway. Wether people like it or not Mickey's the best manager we've ever had and there's plenty of evidence to suggest that people/countries copied his style/system/management etc so he must have done something right. Anyway from what I've observed over the years reading posts on this forum there's no want of experts out there, it's a wonder they're able to walk with the amount of All-Ireland medals in their back pockets ;)
Dergforeeva (Tyrone) - Posts: 90 - 24/05/2018 19:48:53
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wonderful what you can say when the threat of isolation and frozen out of the starting team is not hanging over your career, for years he backed harte but think being shafted over the 09 incident in hartes book has fired him up and I don't think harte can have many complaints. Also sean speaking out plus muggsy and roneill shows the bs that keeps coming out about players can say what they want, { as long as it's what harte has approved, think this next few weeks is going to open a few festering sores in tyrone
bulmccabe (Tyrone) - Posts: 361 - 24/05/2018 21:57:48
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Replying To bulmccabe: "wonderful what you can say when the threat of isolation and frozen out of the starting team is not hanging over your career, for years he backed harte but think being shafted over the 09 incident in hartes book has fired him up and I don't think harte can have many complaints. Also sean speaking out plus muggsy and roneill shows the bs that keeps coming out about players can say what they want, { as long as it's what harte has approved, think this next few weeks is going to open a few festering sores in tyrone" Didn't do Mugsy or Sean any harm or any of the All-Ireland winning teams to do anything Mickey approved as you put it, they were happy to go with it, if indeed that was the case,. We're not the only team that are media savvy, you only have to listen to the present Dublin squad for example who are experts now at it, but the real stuffs being said behind closed doors, there's no team different. All them men and all of today's squad are heroes in my eyes, and care as much if not more than all us supporters about our county whoever is the manager is. Questioning things now, for me, isn't the answer, there's still a lot of football to be played yet, and we all hope to have a long summer. Mickey cares more for Tyrone than any of us I would think, just a question but would a different manager guarantee Tyrone an All-Ireland? If only it was that simple, we could replace him every year
Dergforeeva (Tyrone) - Posts: 90 - 24/05/2018 23:03:54
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Sean smirking away again last night with himself and gooch obviously shopping in the same suit department.
Sean suggested Tipp can still make the super 8,s....and Mayo have no hope :/
yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11227 - 28/05/2018 14:17:48
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Looks like Sean Cavanagh was waiting to get his own back on the 09 book by Mickey. I must admit at the time I thought it was poor form of Mickey to put him down like that. These things happen though, they aren't the first or last manager and player not to see eye to eye. One thing I did think was poor form from Sean was mentioning the substitution of Colm in the Monaghan game, Colm was having a poor game and didn't even look 100% fit.
I still think its very early in the season and Tyrone can recover. If they avoid each other then I would expect Mayo and Tyrone to be in the Super 8's, then its all bets off and like starting a new competition. MH really needs to look at trying to get his full forward line involved in the game, play some early ball into them.
Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1873 - 28/05/2018 15:01:56
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