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Replying To Ban:  "Do you not think the primary competition could be the league (top 4 sides in div. 1 going through to the AI-semi final and final there after) while the Championship runs in parallel giving all teams their chance to meet the big guns - just like in England?
I never hear the English constantly complaining about their competition structure. Most posts here seem to gravitate towards this topic!"
finally someone thinking the same as me!!! the league is my far our best competition and is being expelled to the fringes of poor wet and cold winter days and evenings.

theweanling (Cavan) - Posts: 414 - 15/05/2018 11:09:00    2100901

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There is too much waffle spoken but nothing about double header in Cusack Park, Meath won the O'Byrne Cup, Westmeath won in the Joe McD,
One cameraman two short reports
BBC has a camera at Antrim v Carlow - very controversial,- not shown
So many games, and we show and talk about the same games which were shown live that day,
If soccer can do it why can't we!!!
No mention of handball
Kerry defeat Laois - great result , no mention
We sent a whole raft of Rte to NY last week or to the All-Stars tour to some place.....

cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1671 - 15/05/2018 12:49:31    2100951

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Replying To dahayeser:  "I think what most of us are saying is we could cut out a good portion of the analysts complaining about the standard of football and show a few more highlights instead. Keep the show the same length.

On the 2-tier championship the Sunday Game keep pushing for. Do these analysts looking for it not realise there wouldn't be 2 men and a dog watching it. The championship is the GAA's equivalent of the FA cup or FAI cup or any soccer cup. Small teams get to take on big teams. Give small teams a 2nd tier competition to ball back to after they get knocked out of the championship if they want but you may as well forget about promoting football if you want to silo those counties off to play in a mickey mouse comp that nobody cares about."
In fairness I've seen a few people suggest formats whereby every team gets an opportunity to compete for Sam via group stage. If they're eliminated from that then they'd go into the B competition which would coincide with the All Ireland.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9104 - 15/05/2018 13:31:33    2100973

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Very sarcastic comment on the live blog re: Meath winning the O'Byrne cup, "yippee for them" or something to that effect.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8584 - 15/05/2018 13:44:30    2100980

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Replying To dahayeser:  "I think what most of us are saying is we could cut out a good portion of the analysts complaining about the standard of football and show a few more highlights instead. Keep the show the same length.

On the 2-tier championship the Sunday Game keep pushing for. Do these analysts looking for it not realise there wouldn't be 2 men and a dog watching it. The championship is the GAA's equivalent of the FA cup or FAI cup or any soccer cup. Small teams get to take on big teams. Give small teams a 2nd tier competition to ball back to after they get knocked out of the championship if they want but you may as well forget about promoting football if you want to silo those counties off to play in a mickey mouse comp that nobody cares about."
Excellent post.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 15/05/2018 18:54:31    2101121

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Replying To galwayfball:  "I watched the Sunday game back and god Brolly loves the sound of his own voice. ignores lyster when he tries to stop his ranting. O Rourke and O Se looked like they have completely zoned out when he speaks and the amount of times they had to ask him to let them finish talking as he interrupted them was a disgrace."
And he is let launch personal attacks against people who he doesn't like this week. Not bothering usually bringing any logic or reason to his atracks.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 15/05/2018 18:57:52    2101123

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Replying To Ban:  "Do you not think the primary competition could be the league (top 4 sides in div. 1 going through to the AI-semi final and final there after) while the Championship runs in parallel giving all teams their chance to meet the big guns - just like in England?
I never hear the English constantly complaining about their competition structure. Most posts here seem to gravitate towards this topic!"
I thin it is too big a mind set change for most GAA people. Also because we have players serving multiple masters (clubs, colleges, divisions) and often in 2 codes it would be near impossible to play the league during the summer.

I often thought maybe the league could become the back door with the All Ireland quarters comprising of the 4 provincial winners + the top 4 counties from the league outside who have not already qualified as provincial winners. this would actually cut back on the number of intercounty games (leaving more time for club games) but make them more meaningful. You would have to inter twine some portion of the league with the championship however .. maybe it's a mad notion ..

I do think the provincial championships are important and should be retained and have meaning. They bring out the championship crowds and offer a prestigious and attainable piece of silver ware to teams that for which an All Ireland may be a step too far. Roscommon Footballers being an good example.

dahayeser (Cork) - Posts: 336 - 16/05/2018 10:38:09    2101284

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TG4 are the best, witty and serious and respectful

suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1667 - 16/05/2018 10:51:03    2101291

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agree with dehaysar - less talking and more action please - and please show highlights of all games, and if there aint enought time give the highlights to tg4 for their monday show

i mean this weekend we got clare in football and tipp in hurling, grand for me ill go to both, but while our hurlers will get full highlights maybe even top billing if we win, footballers will likely get an auld two minute report , very unfair on both football teams, so maybe give us 5 minutes and have 3 minutes less talk

youngmunstersman (Limerick) - Posts: 80 - 16/05/2018 17:10:00    2101446

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Need more TG4 coverage. RTE coverage is poor. Failure to show Conor McManus major point during highlights very amateur

BartMcQueen (Cork) - Posts: 196 - 21/05/2018 20:11:33    2102791

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Replying To BartMcQueen:  "Need more TG4 coverage. RTE coverage is poor. Failure to show Conor McManus major point during highlights very amateur"
Completely agree, couldn't believe they didn't show that point and Dessie Mone's in the actual highlights of the game. You'd have to wonder who does the editing of these games and have they a clue what they are at.

maximus02 (Longford) - Posts: 167 - 21/05/2018 22:15:49    2102839

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In the Offaly Galway Hurling highlights last week they didnt show all the scores but still found time to show an Offaly point attempt that went wide. Some editing there.

conordee (Galway) - Posts: 440 - 21/05/2018 22:23:07    2102841

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I think highlights of ALL games should be shown. It's only right for hose I'm weaker counties to see their players on tv and for those players to gain national exposure.

Keep the Sunday game as is if you want but we really need a "Sunday game extra" show of some sort on Monday night which will show highlights of games not shown previously.

Have a different panel in to discuss. Preview the upcoming weekends games. It's not rocket science but RTÉ could do so much more..if not get someone who will.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11225 - 21/05/2018 22:24:43    2102843

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Replying To dahayeser:  "Brutal as ever. Shocking negativity about Galway v Mayo, a tough hard championship game that went down to the wire. Some great skills on show and fine scores. Sure some well organised defense make attacks look short on ideas from time to time. I hate the GAA Sky deal but when RTE's pundits tell the world that your game is terrible stuff week in week out what choice do they have.. time for another chat with TV3 maybe??

Agreed with cuchulainn35 on the lack of Joe McD Cup highlights not to mention the 2 or 3 minutes coverage they gave us of the all Ireland champions very entertaining opener against a gutsy Offaly side. Less talk and more highlights would be a start."
Agreed with most of that dahayeser. I work with a laois hurling nut, who told me a couple of weeks ago, that he had an awful job trying to find updates of a particular laois match in jmcdonagh cup. No media, online or air waves attention what so ever.

Then they wonder why these competitions don't take off. Any competition needs publicity, sponsorship and most importantly promotion. You would think, the Sunday game would be heavily involved in the promotion of any such competition and hurling in general.

Then they talk about trying a second tier football championship. It would not get any publicity or promotion. This is why players would not be interested in it. Remember initially clubs never thought a European league in soccer would ever take off. That a European rugby competition would never take off. That even a rugby world cup would take off. They did, through media attention, financing and promotion promotion promotion!!!

If you had a scenario where a team like my own entered the main Competition. Give them an initial crack at that. Then if they are eliminated, put them into a senior intermediate all Ireland championship. This structure works in county club championships.
Really promote it, having games on before the all Ireland series games. Show these matches live, before the main event. Have your intermediate all Ireland semis on before the main all Ireland semi finals. You would have a full croker then, as I've noticed over the years croker is no longer full for semi finals.
Finally have an ALL IRELAND WEEKEND. Have your intermediate final on the Saturday and the main event on the Sunday.

Now before you give me all the reasons why this wouldn't work, it is a format that works at club level. It would take time to bed in and I do realise rejigging of fixtures would have to be analysed. However if it got the respect it would deserve, with constant advertising/promotion, I think it could work on a county level as well as club level.

BUT if it's treated like the Joe Mcdonagh cup, the Tommy Murphy cup, the all Ireland b championship, being played at ridiculous times and venues just to fulfill fixtures and getting 3 lines in a newspaper, then it has no chance??

Your thoughts!??

Longfordbaz (Longford) - Posts: 145 - 21/05/2018 22:49:33    2102850

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Excellent discussion of the game on the OTB GAA podcast with Enda McGinley. He does more to describe the key points in 10 minutes than RTE managed with actual footage available. Brilliant job and done to a high standard for every match. I would happily pay the licence fee for that service.

Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 1055 - 22/05/2018 07:26:42    2102871

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The night time Sunday game i think should concentrate more on the games they didn't show. You sit down to watch it and they show more highlights of the live games they showed that day where they have 3 guys analyze the games, then it takes two more guys that night to analyze the same games again!! They then show the smaller counties footage of about 30secs, and the two guys path them on the back and say well done for trying. I'd watch any team hurl, Westmeath/Carlow/Laois/Antrim/Meath/Kerry etc are all very enjoyable games.

ke40 (Kildare) - Posts: 209 - 22/05/2018 09:27:06    2102898

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Posted this in the Tyrone/Mon thread but it's probably more appropriate here as regards RTÉ's coverage.

They should leave the 'state of the game' talk for the off season and actually try and analyse the winning and losing of the games.

I'm not trying to say that there should be complete cheerleading of the game but just more time dedicated to talking about the actual match. If it was a bad match say it was a bad match fair enough but still go through the winning of it rather than using it to go on a rant about how it is indicative of the death of football. Or even worse using a good match to still go on a rant about how terrible all the other games supposedly were!

Not all games are classics and never were.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13703 - 22/05/2018 09:30:59    2102900

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How in the name of god did they miss McManus's glorious point in their highlights, it's like they just threw random clips of the game together for 10 minutes.

Jeebus does Pat Spillane talk some rubbish, really wish the'd give more air time to Tom Se, Whelan and other more recent players, or better still show more of the actual gameplay rather than analysis.

An extended highlights show or GAA TV web channel is badly needed, especially since RTE seem to have cut a lot of the live games. Wouldn't mind paying for it personally but I know others would go mental.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 22/05/2018 09:32:31    2102902

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "How in the name of god did they miss McManus's glorious point in their highlights, it's like they just threw random clips of the game together for 10 minutes.

Jeebus does Pat Spillane talk some rubbish, really wish the'd give more air time to Tom Se, Whelan and other more recent players, or better still show more of the actual gameplay rather than analysis.

An extended highlights show or GAA TV web channel is badly needed, especially since RTE seem to have cut a lot of the live games. Wouldn't mind paying for it personally but I know others would go mental."
How long has Tomás been doing the Sunday Game Live? I thought he was great for the Mayo Galway game even if Brolly kept rudely interrupting. Can analyze the game on his feet better than O'Rourke or Brolly. He kinda looks fedup at times on the highlights Sunday Game. Maybe he was just bored there and prefers talking off-the-cuff.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7327 - 22/05/2018 10:15:09    2102928

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RTE will claim that cameras or commentators weren't at the games but last Sunday Ger Canning was doing the TV coverage of Cork v Clare in hurling while on Radio 1 Daragh Maloney was commentating the same game, both work for RTE! Why didn't 1 person do the commentating for both TV and radio and put the other person doing some other game. Why can't they show another game on RTE+1 or RTE News channel, a few years ago TG4 were showing Pro 12 rugby game Munster were playing, we were told to press the red button if we wanted to see the Connacht game instead and lo and behold there was the other game, why can't RTE do the same or are they like statues afraid to do anything. The night show is a mess, showing the live matches over again with untelevised live games getting a few mins, totally wrong way to do a show, show us the untelevised live games then show us a few mins of their televised games. I wrote to RTE in the past about their format, when games are on in Croke Park and for example Mayo, Kerry, Donegal, west if Ireland teams are playing at 4pm in Dublin it's nearly impossible to be at the game then make it home in the west on time to see the highlights at 9.30, i told them why don't they show and talk about the 2pm game first then show the later game after tht but no response, they don't want to be told how to do anything, it's their station and they call the shots, no wonder they have lost the pro 14, 6 nations in rugby, champions league, premiership in soccer, some horse racing

riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 22/05/2018 10:26:09    2102937

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