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Did they not show a replay of the point that the ref gave at the end? That looked an even worse call. Looked wide, not even close.

Pantani (Dublin) - Posts: 48 - 03/06/2018 17:41:32    2106897

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and not to mention the ones at the other end.....they seemed to give one which wasnt and not give one which was.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 03/06/2018 18:14:52    2106942

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Does an umpire get any training, etc?
Or is it still the referee bringing 4 of his pals?

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 03/06/2018 18:21:29    2106951

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Unfortunately, there is an acceptance of mediocrity with regard to officialdom in the GAA.
It's all very well saying there are mistakes in every sport but players deserve better than what currently passes as the standard with regard to umpire officiating.
Bringing along a few club mates just isn't acceptable when players are committing so much in order to reach the standards expected of them nowadays.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 03/06/2018 21:20:44    2107048

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Replying To Dubh_linn:  "Unfortunately, there is an acceptance of mediocrity with regard to officialdom in the GAA.
It's all very well saying there are mistakes in every sport but players deserve better than what currently passes as the standard with regard to umpire officiating.
Bringing along a few club mates just isn't acceptable when players are committing so much in order to reach the standards expected of them nowadays."
I am impressed with our posters here who are willing to tell it as it is. Including the Tipp people. It is not Tipp's fault and I know they would prefer to win fair and square.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 03/06/2018 21:58:24    2107071

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Very hard to understand what the umpire who raised the green flag was at.He wasn't even the umpire closest to the incident.Ultimately though, the referee who went in and consulted must take responsibility for the awarding of the goal.I doubt we'lll be seeing much of Alan Kelly for the rest of the season but the damage is done to Waterford.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2155 - 03/06/2018 22:11:14    2107078

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Replying To Canuck:  "I am impressed with our posters here who are willing to tell it as it is. Including the Tipp people. It is not Tipp's fault and I know they would prefer to win fair and square."
I think Tipp people know it wasn't a goal as well as everyone else except your man on the far post who may have found out by now and that's just not good enough.
My main point though is that players deserve better than this farce no matter where they're from.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 03/06/2018 22:20:23    2107081

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Replying To Pinkie:  "Does an umpire get any training, etc?
Or is it still the referee bringing 4 of his pals?"
Umpires get training, but it doesn't seem as if they have to prove themselves to be of any particular standard

890202 (Wexford) - Posts: 1278 - 03/06/2018 22:28:36    2107083

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Just saw that decision tonight on the Sunday Game. It wasn't even a close call. The guy who's post it was on was every bit as culpable, he should have overridden the the original decision. Getting calls like this right hasn't much to do with training umpires, you can either see or you can't. Classy interviews from both managers at the end, especially Derek McGrath. He would have had every right to blow his top.

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 03/06/2018 22:52:08    2107094

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I've posted on umpires on here before. I think it's madness that games have 4 officials who are mates of the referee. Don't have to have been trained or of any particular standard. Just brothers or clubmates or friends of a referee. It's weird. And no wonder so many mistakes are made.

I've thought it very interesting since Hawkeye came in how many times the umpires ask for it. It shows how often they are really guessing at scores.

Why are up and coming referees not asked to umpire games?

icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2550 - 03/06/2018 23:03:38    2107101

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Replying To mrsme:  "lads its not a bashing but these lads give up their time all year with no rewards. I know people are going to start slagging them tonight after the Donegal Cavan game. All i will say is please dont again because of my reason above they give up their time all year round and yes mistakes can be made by players managers referees but without these lads giving up their time games wont happen. Asking for umpires to be referees wont happen either as there is not enough to do that but, but there is no need for that to happen either before the umpire bashing starts take a breath and just wonder could and would you do it yourself"
2 things I remarked with the two incidents today, the goal that wasnt and the point for Tipp..first ref went into the umpire for the goal, and consulted with him after the uproar and gave the goal..nothing wrong there..when the point that Tipp were awarded was waved wide by the umpire, the ref went in and gave the point, over ruling the umpire from what I could see..the ref was adamant it was a point..therefore the ref asked for the assistance on the first occasion for the goal, which was a terrible decision, and yet didnt want the umpire opininion for the point later...one can say the ref is the man that matters and he is the boss at the end of the day..but the goal was a terrible decision, the umpire that waved the green flag wasnt even looking towards it..he was looking down towards his feet and outwards..so how he seen the ball bounce off Austin Gleesons hands which he then caught a good foot outside the line....intersestingly..I am from Offaly and a local chemist in Birr used to do eye tests and supply glasses..guess what his name was?...AUSTIN GLEESON!!!...

Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 1034 - 03/06/2018 23:57:28    2107117

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Replying To Dubh_linn:  "Unfortunately, there is an acceptance of mediocrity with regard to officialdom in the GAA.
It's all very well saying there are mistakes in every sport but players deserve better than what currently passes as the standard with regard to umpire officiating.
Bringing along a few club mates just isn't acceptable when players are committing so much in order to reach the standards expected of them nowadays."
Agreed. Nobody expects the officials to get every call right in every game and they deserve to be excused for the occasional honest mistake. But a call as horrible as this one is just not acceptable. Even after the call, it could easily have been rectified if the ref had consulted with the other umpire, who must have clearly seen that the ball came nowhere near the goal line. Players deserve much better than this.

Gaillimh_Abu (Galway) - Posts: 996 - 04/06/2018 03:01:07    2107126

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Replying To Gaillimh_Abu:  "Agreed. Nobody expects the officials to get every call right in every game and they deserve to be excused for the occasional honest mistake. But a call as horrible as this one is just not acceptable. Even after the call, it could easily have been rectified if the ref had consulted with the other umpire, who must have clearly seen that the ball came nowhere near the goal line. Players deserve much better than this."
Any chance of getting the facts right? The ref consulted with both umpires after the goal incident.

Anyway it should never had been a free if the Waterford player hadn't stupidly thrown.

It was never a goal, but the reaction in the media, social and otherwise, with ex-players saying the umpire should never be let near a game again is way over the top.

I am sure he feels bad today, they are human like us all, and for all we know a man who gives huge time to the game,

Once he did not do it deliberately I don't mind, it is a sport not live of death.

Brendan Cummins saying the umpire was smiling coming off was also a disgrace...can Mr. Cummins tell us what was been shouted at the umpire. I am sure it wasn't well wishes.

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 04/06/2018 09:36:40    2107156

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These people need to explain their actions or be on the receiving end of some. You can't just make these boneheaded calls then wander off scot free, the whole dynamic of the championship changed now for Waterford. It's not right.

srb (Antrim) - Posts: 344 - 04/06/2018 11:06:36    2107210

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I think other aspects of the incident have been missed in addition to the most basic premise that the ball didn't cross the line.... One being Seamie Callanan, square ball. Two being, Seamie barging.

Miami305 (Galway) - Posts: 147 - 04/06/2018 12:56:00    2107264

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Hawkeye has to be in every county ground, doesn't matter if the end result is a draw or a 20 point win, a wrong call is a wrong call, Hawkeye and TV technology can clear up most issues

riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 04/06/2018 13:17:49    2107277

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Replying To witnof:  "Any chance of getting the facts right? The ref consulted with both umpires after the goal incident.

Anyway it should never had been a free if the Waterford player hadn't stupidly thrown.

It was never a goal, but the reaction in the media, social and otherwise, with ex-players saying the umpire should never be let near a game again is way over the top.

I am sure he feels bad today, they are human like us all, and for all we know a man who gives huge time to the game,

Once he did not do it deliberately I don't mind, it is a sport not live of death.

Brendan Cummins saying the umpire was smiling coming off was also a disgrace...can Mr. Cummins tell us what was been shouted at the umpire. I am sure it wasn't well wishes."
"If the Waterford player had not stupidly thrown " yes it wouldn't have been a free.However , he did .
What makes things even worse is that the referee did consult both and the umpire who was 3 feet from it didn't say it wasn't a goal.
Surely that is what should have happened . He never made any gesture to his colleague to indicate it was a goal in the first place and he had a far better view than the umpire who flagged it after initially stalling.
Sorry, but there's mistakes and there's total incompetence.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 04/06/2018 13:28:31    2107278

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Replying To Dubh_linn:  ""If the Waterford player had not stupidly thrown " yes it wouldn't have been a free.However , he did .
What makes things even worse is that the referee did consult both and the umpire who was 3 feet from it didn't say it wasn't a goal.
Surely that is what should have happened . He never made any gesture to his colleague to indicate it was a goal in the first place and he had a far better view than the umpire who flagged it after initially stalling.
Sorry, but there's mistakes and there's total incompetence."
It's pointless having it in just two grounds and in no other. What they really need is the Goal Line Technology the use in the Premiership, where the referee's watch beeps if the ball has crossed the line. No standing around waiting for Dickie Murphy to get it wrong in the Hawkeye box. Match restarts straight away.

Midleton (Cork) - Posts: 643 - 04/06/2018 13:32:19    2107279

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Replying To witnof:  "Any chance of getting the facts right? The ref consulted with both umpires after the goal incident.

Anyway it should never had been a free if the Waterford player hadn't stupidly thrown.

It was never a goal, but the reaction in the media, social and otherwise, with ex-players saying the umpire should never be let near a game again is way over the top.

I am sure he feels bad today, they are human like us all, and for all we know a man who gives huge time to the game,

Once he did not do it deliberately I don't mind, it is a sport not live of death.

Brendan Cummins saying the umpire was smiling coming off was also a disgrace...can Mr. Cummins tell us what was been shouted at the umpire. I am sure it wasn't well wishes."
Bullsh-t. No excuses good enough. If he can not do the job, has no credentials other than known the referee he should not be there. By the time the game was over he knew well that he had made a mistake but thought the whole thing was funny and that is not someone feeling bad.The free? Is this a reason to have a phantom goal? Everyone is now throwing the ball and it should be penalized. However to pick this one out in a maze of similar infringements seems a bit odd.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 04/06/2018 13:42:05    2107280

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Replying To witnof:  "Any chance of getting the facts right? The ref consulted with both umpires after the goal incident.

Anyway it should never had been a free if the Waterford player hadn't stupidly thrown.

It was never a goal, but the reaction in the media, social and otherwise, with ex-players saying the umpire should never be let near a game again is way over the top.

I am sure he feels bad today, they are human like us all, and for all we know a man who gives huge time to the game,

Once he did not do it deliberately I don't mind, it is a sport not live of death.

Brendan Cummins saying the umpire was smiling coming off was also a disgrace...can Mr. Cummins tell us what was been shouted at the umpire. I am sure it wasn't well wishes."
Bullsh-t. No excuses good enough. If he can not do the job, has no credentials other than known the referee he should not be there. By the time the game was over he knew well that he had made a mistake but thought the whole thing was funny and that is not someone feeling bad.The free? Is this a reason to have a phantom goal? Everyone is now throwing the ball and it should be penalized. However to pick this one out in a maze of similar infringements seems a bit odd.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 04/06/2018 13:45:23    2107283

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