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Replying To TheUsername: "Think your wrong there mate, Kildare fans attend games in massive numbers, especially that deep into the championship. The was 66.000 at the Leinster final last year." Are you sure about that? We played Kildare in the quarter final in 2015 and only for the dubs fans and Fermanagh fans the same day the place would have been empty. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 15/05/2018 22:36:23 2101200 Link
Replying To Soma: "How do you think young lads from Bray or Baltinglass would get to the home game in Aughrim, on their bikes? I was delighted to see Wicklow won at the weekend, especially for Evans, but if Offaly had won the Dubs would have been playing in Tullamore and we would have been spared all this bellyaching. Clearly Offaly are a GAA superpower who were able to get a fixture arranged with the golden child at home despite them having all that AIG money. As for the game being a big boost for the local economy, there are about 2 pubs and 1 cafe in the village and it's 50 miles south of Dublin - I can't imagine a huge demand for hotel beds in the area." Yes if the game had been won by Offaly the game would indeed have been in Tullamore and Offaly would have had the benefit of the big home game you seem to think Wicklow now have no right to. Wicklow beat Offaly fair and square and had every right to think they should have gotten the game at home. How you think sending Wicklow all the way to portlaoise for a "home" game benefits Wicklow football is beyond me. All it does is tell them they are no worthy of such a game and does not do anything to get a buzz going within the county. To be honest your description of people having a different view to you as "whinging and "bellyaching" is hugely disrespectful to these supporters. They deserve the same respect all other GAA fans do. It's a countrywide game, you would do well to remember that. kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 15/05/2018 22:44:12 2101205 Link
Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Are you sure about that? We played Kildare in the quarter final in 2015 and only for the dubs fans and Fermanagh fans the same day the place would have been empty." Yeah 66,000 was the attendance. We fancied ourselves that day:) kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 15/05/2018 23:16:43 2101217 Link
Replying To kildare73: "Yeah 66,000 was the attendance. We fancied ourselves that day:)" Ha ha :-) KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 16/05/2018 01:49:18 2101233 Link
Replying To clondalkindub: "What's ridiculous is that we're even playing Wicklow a waste of everyone's time when everyone knows it will be a hammering. It's screaming out for a two tier championship , where the winners of the second tier go up to the first tier the following season and a team goes down from the first tier. It's too serious now for this messing to still be going on like Kerry play no division one team and will walk into the super 8's while Mayo had to play Galway and now could be out before Kerry or Dublin's season gets serious. Ridiculous stuff. No dig at Kerry Dublin is in the same situation only we have a division 1 team in Kildare I know their gone down but they were division 1. Anyway I think you'll get my point." That is possibly the most disrespectful comment made about this whole situation, so you believe the dubs are too good to play Wicklow ? Yes we all can predict the result but for Wicklow GAA this is a massive opportunity to promote GAA in the county and gather some much needed instrest by the young people, at the county meet and greet roughly 10 children turned up, Wicklow clubs are struggling to field teams from senior level right down and seeing our guys playing the best team in the land is going to draw attention to the GAA and the young people who go to the game will probably have memories for life after it. Also very disrespectful to our players who train just as much as Dublin but you obviously feel our players aren't good enough to share a pitch with Dublin. WW9 (Wicklow) - Posts: 109 - 16/05/2018 09:07:44 2101248 Link
Replying To WW9: "That is possibly the most disrespectful comment made about this whole situation, so you believe the dubs are too good to play Wicklow ? Yes we all can predict the result but for Wicklow GAA this is a massive opportunity to promote GAA in the county and gather some much needed instrest by the young people, at the county meet and greet roughly 10 children turned up, Wicklow clubs are struggling to field teams from senior level right down and seeing our guys playing the best team in the land is going to draw attention to the GAA and the young people who go to the game will probably have memories for life after it. Also very disrespectful to our players who train just as much as Dublin but you obviously feel our players aren't good enough to share a pitch with Dublin." So you think Dublin hammering Wicklow is a good promotion for Wicklow football? I mean no disrespect to the Wicklow players but the whole fixture is a waste of time, Wicklow kids seeing their team get hammered will not make Wicklow kids want to play football. We have Carlow's best player going to the states after playing in the league cause he knows it's pointless playing championship football cause they've no chance. Last year Carlow were praised to lose to the Dubs by 12 points It's crying out for a two tier championship and I mean no disrespect to any team. clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 16/05/2018 10:16:40 2101276 Link
Replying To clondalkindub: "So you think Dublin hammering Wicklow is a good promotion for Wicklow football? I mean no disrespect to the Wicklow players but the whole fixture is a waste of time, Wicklow kids seeing their team get hammered will not make Wicklow kids want to play football. We have Carlow's best player going to the states after playing in the league cause he knows it's pointless playing championship football cause they've no chance. Last year Carlow were praised to lose to the Dubs by 12 points It's crying out for a two tier championship and I mean no disrespect to any team." I do think Wicklow kids seeing Wicklow playing in front of a huge crowd, seeing Wicklow play against the best players in the country will help encourage children to play gaa or it will at least get some support back for our county which has being so poorly supported over the years, hammering or no hammering it's only fair Wicklow are given the opportunity to play in front of huge crowds, get to experience a big match day, I know for Dublin this is a nothing match but for Wicklow this is huge, it's what all the young lads on the team would have dreamed of and sadly Wicklow don't get the opportunity enough. Wicklow had a shocking league campaign but yet not one single player has left for the summer, every player on the Wicklow panel wants to play for Wicklow and wants the opportunity to keep pushing Wicklow football on. WW9 (Wicklow) - Posts: 109 - 16/05/2018 10:36:06 2101282 Link
Could give Wicklow supporters a big day out carlovia (None) - Posts: 1517 - 16/05/2018 10:58:05 2101295 Link
Replying To WW9: "I do think Wicklow kids seeing Wicklow playing in front of a huge crowd, seeing Wicklow play against the best players in the country will help encourage children to play gaa or it will at least get some support back for our county which has being so poorly supported over the years, hammering or no hammering it's only fair Wicklow are given the opportunity to play in front of huge crowds, get to experience a big match day, I know for Dublin this is a nothing match but for Wicklow this is huge, it's what all the young lads on the team would have dreamed of and sadly Wicklow don't get the opportunity enough. Wicklow had a shocking league campaign but yet not one single player has left for the summer, every player on the Wicklow panel wants to play for Wicklow and wants the opportunity to keep pushing Wicklow football on." I accept it's huge but after ten minutes you'll probably change your mind , I've seen it loads of times weaker counties buzzing before they play Dublin but then the reality hits home when it's a cake walk for Dublin and the beaten county is totally deflated , wondering why they bother and it sets them back years. I don't think the crowd will be that big either. clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 16/05/2018 11:03:06 2101298 Link
One suggestion is to hold a ballot amongst the Dublin season ticket holders for any games that involve a small capacity ground: - The season ticket holder would have to indicate, through their season ticket online account, whether or not they want to attend the game. - A percentage of tickets for the ground would have to be decided, for allocation to the season ticket holders. If the number of season ticket holders willing to attend is greater than the ticket allocation, a ballot takes place. Those that lose out in the ballot would get their obligatory free ticket for the next game, if there is one. - At a certain cut-off point, If the combined tkts sales from home supporters and season ticket ballot winners is less than full capacity, another ballot could take place etc. dubdec99 (Dublin) - Posts: 180 - 16/05/2018 11:43:34 2101313 Link
Replying To clondalkindub: "So you think Dublin hammering Wicklow is a good promotion for Wicklow football? I mean no disrespect to the Wicklow players but the whole fixture is a waste of time, Wicklow kids seeing their team get hammered will not make Wicklow kids want to play football. We have Carlow's best player going to the states after playing in the league cause he knows it's pointless playing championship football cause they've no chance. Last year Carlow were praised to lose to the Dubs by 12 points It's crying out for a two tier championship and I mean no disrespect to any team." I get exactly what your saying even tho you may of said it in a more respectful way. I have been calling for a 2 tier system for a long time ,it will have no benefit to young Wicklow kids seeing their team hammered by Dublin they aren't going to be saying after the game oh I want to play for Wicklow in a few years so this can happen me,I have seen it in my own province and I mean no disrespect to leitrim but there is isn't a massive desire for young kids there to grow up with the aspirations to play for their county but in the so called weaker counties if they played at a strong level against opposition similar to themselves having long summers of football not just playing 2 games and losing both then that would bring on football in the counties ,when the big name gaa superstars of dublin mayo Kerry etc come to town to play them its great for the young kids to see the likes of the cluxton,kilkenny and the Keegan's and the geaneys of the gaa but its 1 game it will not have a long standing benefit to them counties. Its in the gaa hands tho so could be waiting for a long time for anything like that to happen Galwayjoe86 (Galway) - Posts: 258 - 16/05/2018 11:46:05 2101317 Link
Replying To clondalkindub: "So you think Dublin hammering Wicklow is a good promotion for Wicklow football? I mean no disrespect to the Wicklow players but the whole fixture is a waste of time, Wicklow kids seeing their team get hammered will not make Wicklow kids want to play football. We have Carlow's best player going to the states after playing in the league cause he knows it's pointless playing championship football cause they've no chance. Last year Carlow were praised to lose to the Dubs by 12 points It's crying out for a two tier championship and I mean no disrespect to any team." It isn't crying out for a two tier system that will make the strong stronger and the weak weaker. Division 3 and 4 teams can only achieve a poorer standard of football playing against each other. The GAA top brass don't give a damn about improving their standards. It's definitely easier said than done but at least they should try. Scrap the current league structure and mix it up with divisions of 2 teams rack from Divisions 1 to 4. There will be hidings for so-called weaker counties, guaranteed but some will improve. Get the stronger teams coaches to do some mentoring of weaker counties. But that's what they're guaranteed every championship because they're out of their depth as their standard is so poor. There's more and more disillusioned players quitting county panels for the championship and with the GAA's emphasis on Super 8 and elite football and a condescending altitude towards so-called weaker counties. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7335 - 16/05/2018 12:21:26 2101327 Link
Sickening lack of respect towards Wicklow from one or two posters here. Not even worth replying to. Wicklow should have home advantage in Aughrim here and we all know it. Let the Dublin season ticket holders have a lottery for their half of the allocation and anyone that loses out gets their free ticket for a Leinster semi-final at Croke Park instead. I'd be fairly sure there wouldn't be too many tears shed with that arrangement. At any rate, logistics aside, it doesn't sound like many Dubs are exactly relishing a trip to Portlaoise. Pack out Aughrim, create a great atmosphere and boost football in Wicklow by bringing the All-Ireland Champions to town. It's only one game! decky (Roscommon) - Posts: 384 - 16/05/2018 12:21:40 2101328 Link
I dont know how Dublin season ticket holders are involved in this debate, they couldn't care less where the match is if im honest, its as easy to get to Aughrim as it is Portloaise. I dont think its even that long ago since we played in Aughrim and i remember the crowd being pretty poor, it was winter to be fair and possibly an O Byrne cup game. Wicklow of course should have theie home game, but the issue is with Leinster council, Dublin will play anywhere, DCB, fans, team. I think the Leinster Council want the biggest crowd possible for their coffers and thats the real reason why its not being played in Aughrim. Personally id prefer Aughrim as not a fan of O Moore Park. All ire should be directed the Leinster Council, and outside Leinster the GAA, its not something Dublin or their season ticket holders have a say about. All the talk of away games in Leinster is funny, sure Aughrim or Portloaise is only an hour down the road your there quicker then trying to get into the city if your driving. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 16/05/2018 13:01:25 2101343 Link
Replying To GreenandRed: "It isn't crying out for a two tier system that will make the strong stronger and the weak weaker. Division 3 and 4 teams can only achieve a poorer standard of football playing against each other. The GAA top brass don't give a damn about improving their standards. It's definitely easier said than done but at least they should try. Scrap the current league structure and mix it up with divisions of 2 teams rack from Divisions 1 to 4. There will be hidings for so-called weaker counties, guaranteed but some will improve. Get the stronger teams coaches to do some mentoring of weaker counties. But that's what they're guaranteed every championship because they're out of their depth as their standard is so poor. There's more and more disillusioned players quitting county panels for the championship and with the GAA's emphasis on Super 8 and elite football and a condescending altitude towards so-called weaker counties." Getting hammered year in year out does nothing for your county's confidence, winning games does. Putting a group of let's say; Kerry Dublin Wicklow Carlow That's a waste of time we all know what's going to happen Dublin/Kerry will hammer the other two and the other games will be tight between Dublin Kerry and Carlow Wicklow , like how is that going improve them? Two tier is the only way , the Dublin club championship has gone this way and it's been a massive success, especially for the weaker clubs we're (towers) going out looking forward to playing teams of our own standard it's grest we've something to play for now and giving great confidence to our players instead of hoping to avoid a hammering every year and deflating the whole club. clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 16/05/2018 13:51:26 2101366 Link
Replying To clondalkindub: "Getting hammered year in year out does nothing for your county's confidence, winning games does. Putting a group of let's say; Kerry Dublin Wicklow Carlow That's a waste of time we all know what's going to happen Dublin/Kerry will hammer the other two and the other games will be tight between Dublin Kerry and Carlow Wicklow , like how is that going improve them? Two tier is the only way , the Dublin club championship has gone this way and it's been a massive success, especially for the weaker clubs we're (towers) going out looking forward to playing teams of our own standard it's grest we've something to play for now and giving great confidence to our players instead of hoping to avoid a hammering every year and deflating the whole club." What about Tipperary and Fermanagh making the semi finals in recent years and Clare making the quarter finals? Would they have been a top or bottom tier team at the time in your eyes? They all got there on merit and created a great atmosphere within those counties at the time. kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 16/05/2018 15:06:21 2101401 Link
Replying To clondalkindub: "Getting hammered year in year out does nothing for your county's confidence, winning games does. Putting a group of let's say; Kerry Dublin Wicklow Carlow That's a waste of time we all know what's going to happen Dublin/Kerry will hammer the other two and the other games will be tight between Dublin Kerry and Carlow Wicklow , like how is that going improve them? Two tier is the only way , the Dublin club championship has gone this way and it's been a massive success, especially for the weaker clubs we're (towers) going out looking forward to playing teams of our own standard it's grest we've something to play for now and giving great confidence to our players instead of hoping to avoid a hammering every year and deflating the whole club." Yip. Keep the strong stronger and the weak weaker. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7335 - 16/05/2018 15:15:59 2101405 Link
Replying To GreenandRed: "Yip. Keep the strong stronger and the weak weaker." Sure the weaker are getting weaker as it is ,how do you think the weaker counties can get better ?I'm not having a go I'm just asking the question coz at the moment nothing is been done to make them better. I'm no expert and I'm not going to fix it but the gaa brought in the super 8s on a trial basis and that doesn't help the weaker counties what so ever so what would be the harm bringing in a 2 tier championship on a trial basis in the next few years Galwayjoe86 (Galway) - Posts: 258 - 16/05/2018 15:25:44 2101406 Link
Replying To Galwayjoe86: "Sure the weaker are getting weaker as it is ,how do you think the weaker counties can get better ?I'm not having a go I'm just asking the question coz at the moment nothing is been done to make them better. I'm no expert and I'm not going to fix it but the gaa brought in the super 8s on a trial basis and that doesn't help the weaker counties what so ever so what would be the harm bringing in a 2 tier championship on a trial basis in the next few years" Exactly. The gap between top and bottom levels widens every year. I don't know how to change it. Has it been done in other sports and if it has could we try that? It won't change unless all levels and the GAA are interested in and commited to make it change. It won't improve quickly or easily. I'm not completely against a tiered system, in some ways it has worked for hurling. But it can't be called an All Ireland Championship again. We'll never see the magic of so-called weaker counties Fermanagh, Wexford and Tipperary marching to the semi finals as they wouldn't be competing in an All Ireland. Media coverage would be almostentirely focussed on the top tier counties. What's a kid growing up there to think when they pick a sport to play and the most they'll see of their county team is a few minutes of highlights every summer? My own, naive, suggestions above. Have a mixed-level divisions league in place of the current one. Have some mentoring of the weaker counties by the stronger counties. Scrap the provincial leagues and put something into place to try and improve standards at the bottom. I don't know. The most important thing is to ask players and coaches from these counties if they want a tiered system or not. Thumbs up from me if they do. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7335 - 16/05/2018 19:07:16 2101475 Link
Replying To clondalkindub: "So you think Dublin hammering Wicklow is a good promotion for Wicklow football? I mean no disrespect to the Wicklow players but the whole fixture is a waste of time, Wicklow kids seeing their team get hammered will not make Wicklow kids want to play football. We have Carlow's best player going to the states after playing in the league cause he knows it's pointless playing championship football cause they've no chance. Last year Carlow were praised to lose to the Dubs by 12 points It's crying out for a two tier championship and I mean no disrespect to any team." If what you mean by a two tier championship having Dublin in one tier and the other 31 counties in tier 2 I'd agree with you. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 16/05/2018 22:37:24 2101538 Link