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Galway look in the drivers seat now but a lot of Hurling to be done yet. Galway at Wexford will be a YUGE match.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2113 - 28/05/2018 00:07:57    2104467

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Replying To Afinestick:  "Do anybody know what situation is if teams finish level on points ? My understanding is its score difference for 3 teams and head to head for 2 is this correct? You would have to think one more win should be good enough for us now. Looking forward to todays game. Hard to know which result would favour us. Probably a Kilkenny win as it would mean a win in the park next weekend puts us through to a Leinster final. Would be very difficult going to Nowlan park in the final game needing a win theres a lot of hurling to be played before then. Group will become a lot clearer today!"
head to head first,scoring difference if 3-way playoff.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 28/05/2018 08:39:42    2104509

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Saturday's game is absolutely massive now. If we win on Saturday, unless we lose to Kilkenny by 23 points, we will play Galway again in Leinster Final. A

From the highlights I saw, Offaly looked nothing short of shambolic and it gives me no pleasure whatsoever to say that. But we got the win, no injuries, an easy game, now we need to step it up for Saturday.

The Park will be rocking at 5pm on Saturday!

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 28/05/2018 09:38:07    2104548

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Replying To Pinkie:  "Saturday's game is absolutely massive now. If we win on Saturday, unless we lose to Kilkenny by 23 points, we will play Galway again in Leinster Final. A

From the highlights I saw, Offaly looked nothing short of shambolic and it gives me no pleasure whatsoever to say that. But we got the win, no injuries, an easy game, now we need to step it up for Saturday.

The Park will be rocking at 5pm on Saturday!"
I think Wexford could take Galway next weekend but for me it's more than likely a meaningless game as I'd expect both to be in the Leinster final regardless. I'm surprised it's being hyped up so much from both sides. But then its a cship game I suppose and two of the top 4 teams in the country going head to head so ye are probably right! Looking forward to it either way and it's a hard one to call.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 28/05/2018 10:20:46    2104591

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Replying To tiobraid:  "I think Wexford could take Galway next weekend but for me it's more than likely a meaningless game as I'd expect both to be in the Leinster final regardless. I'm surprised it's being hyped up so much from both sides. But then its a cship game I suppose and two of the top 4 teams in the country going head to head so ye are probably right! Looking forward to it either way and it's a hard one to call."
I think Wexford are viewing this as a must-win game as Kilkenny will have had a week off before we head to play them.

And I think we would think we have a better chance at home v Galway against away v Kilkenny needing a win, especially given what the match at the weekend will take out of us whereas Kilkenny will have their feet up next Saturday.

Galway looked very strong yesterday though so we are up against it at the same time. I suppose you could say it is a Leinster semi-final in reality so it is a massive game for us and to see where our team is at.

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 28/05/2018 10:56:27    2104623

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Id fancy Galway in this one. And with no disrespect to Wexford they are not anywhere near being a top four team. I think it will be a Galway Kilkenny Leinster final. And Kilkenny will be much more cynical and shrude comparing to yesterday. They wont like being bet like that. It happens so seldom. I think they will have Larkin and Hogan starting and will play like they have done for the past 15 years by pushing the rules to the absolute limit and playing the ref. I back Kilkenny to win Leinster yet.

clare_sparrow (Galway) - Posts: 425 - 28/05/2018 16:26:35    2104890

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Replying To clare_sparrow:  "Id fancy Galway in this one. And with no disrespect to Wexford they are not anywhere near being a top four team. I think it will be a Galway Kilkenny Leinster final. And Kilkenny will be much more cynical and shrude comparing to yesterday. They wont like being bet like that. It happens so seldom. I think they will have Larkin and Hogan starting and will play like they have done for the past 15 years by pushing the rules to the absolute limit and playing the ref. I back Kilkenny to win Leinster yet."
Larkin retired a couple of years ago.

Hard to look beyond Galway for the All-Ireland, they seem that bit better than everyone else.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 28/05/2018 17:53:41    2104951

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Who is a top four team if wexford aren't?

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 2624 - 28/05/2018 18:57:44    2104979

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Replying To Killarney.87:  "Larkin retired a couple of years ago.

Hard to look beyond Galway for the All-Ireland, they seem that bit better than everyone else."
Ooops sorry, I meant Colin Fennelly. Both Huge men in the army hence the mix up.

clare_sparrow (Galway) - Posts: 425 - 28/05/2018 19:10:12    2104985

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Replying To clare_sparrow:  "Ooops sorry, I meant Colin Fennelly. Both Huge men in the army hence the mix up."
Yeah they have strong links to the army in Kilkenny, not that they need to be any bigger or stronger than they already are.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 29/05/2018 13:28:14    2105266

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Replying To clare_sparrow:  "Id fancy Galway in this one. And with no disrespect to Wexford they are not anywhere near being a top four team. I think it will be a Galway Kilkenny Leinster final. And Kilkenny will be much more cynical and shrude comparing to yesterday. They wont like being bet like that. It happens so seldom. I think they will have Larkin and Hogan starting and will play like they have done for the past 15 years by pushing the rules to the absolute limit and playing the ref. I back Kilkenny to win Leinster yet."
It never ceases to amaze me how completely lacking in awareness of their own team's behaviour some supporters can be when discussing Kilkenny. I have mentioned this on here before but it is often the case that when teams beat Kilkenny they are lauded for out-Kilkenny-ing Kilkenny as the old cliché goes, and this is never more evident than on the occasions in which Galway have beaten or nearly beaten Kilkenny since 2005. (Whatever Kilkenny-ing is, it is fine it seems, as long as Kilkenny aren't doing it).

Once again, following Sundays match, we have had numerous comparisons made between the current Galway team and the great Kilkenny team of the late 00s, early 10s, in terms of physical presence, style of play and ability to win own ball. What Galway supporters seem to remain blissfully ignorant of is that along with these aforementioned traits, their team is as guilty, if not more guilty than Kilkenny of, use of the spare hand, cynical play, influencing referees, and indiscipline etc.

This can be fleshed out in many ways, you can compare Kilkenny and Galways in head to heads over all competitions over the last decade for example, looking at say number of sendings off or instances of outright dirt e.g. how TJ Reids knee was shattered, Cryill D's early bath in 2012, general Andy Smith-ing and you'll find that it is not Kilkenny that is the more guilty here, or you can simply look at Sundays game as a snapshot. Influencing the ref? Canning in Horgan's ear at every turn, Cynical play? Burke on Scanlon, McInerney on Walsh. Pushing the rules, Joe "Not That Type Of Player" Canning's hurl became very loose once again on more than one occasion, Harte grabbing the Kilkenny forwards arm falling to ground looking for a free, fooling everyone in stadium except the ref judging by the crowd's reaction to no free been given etc. etc.

Now I'd like to stress I have no real problem with any of the examples given from Sunday's game, indeed Kilkenny have been guilty of the same and more over the years, but if someone from Galway starts pontificating about Kilkenny "pushing the rules to the absolute limit and playing the ref" I think they are worth pointing out in order to provide some prospective

Heftydickonem (Kilkenny) - Posts: 175 - 29/05/2018 13:32:55    2105270

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Heftydickonem I agree with you. What Daithi Burke did to Scanlon was far more a red card than what Kevin Moran did in the Waterford match. He came out with 1 and only 1 intention and that was to do Scanlon.
I hope the referee on Saturday watches out for such cynical, dirty play and also, when is a referee going to blow Conor Whelan for the blatant charging he is let away with week in week out? It is not up to the full back line to get out of his way, it is up to Whelan to run around the player.

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 29/05/2018 15:47:55    2105327

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Heftydickonem I agree with you too, to a point. But I am only delighted Galway are playing the way Kilkenny did for years. If it won us a quarter of the All Irelands it won ye we would be delighted. I for one was ecstatic when Daithi Burke lay out young Scanlon. I know it was illegal and cost us a goal but it was one of the key points in the game that won it for Galway. And when McInerney layed out Walsh it took Killkennys best player out of the game for a long period. Its the cuteness that wins these tough matches and thankfully Galway are copying what worked so well for Kilkenny for a long long time.

clare_sparrow (Galway) - Posts: 425 - 29/05/2018 16:47:35    2105353

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Replying To clare_sparrow:  "Heftydickonem I agree with you too, to a point. But I am only delighted Galway are playing the way Kilkenny did for years. If it won us a quarter of the All Irelands it won ye we would be delighted. I for one was ecstatic when Daithi Burke lay out young Scanlon. I know it was illegal and cost us a goal but it was one of the key points in the game that won it for Galway. And when McInerney layed out Walsh it took Killkennys best player out of the game for a long period. Its the cuteness that wins these tough matches and thankfully Galway are copying what worked so well for Kilkenny for a long long time."
clare_sparrow I agree with you completely, Burke and mcinerney did what was required and I wish the Kilkenny team would do the same really.

Heftydickonem (Kilkenny) - Posts: 175 - 29/05/2018 17:58:59    2105375

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Replying To Heftydickonem:  "It never ceases to amaze me how completely lacking in awareness of their own team's behaviour some supporters can be when discussing Kilkenny. I have mentioned this on here before but it is often the case that when teams beat Kilkenny they are lauded for out-Kilkenny-ing Kilkenny as the old cliché goes, and this is never more evident than on the occasions in which Galway have beaten or nearly beaten Kilkenny since 2005. (Whatever Kilkenny-ing is, it is fine it seems, as long as Kilkenny aren't doing it).

Once again, following Sundays match, we have had numerous comparisons made between the current Galway team and the great Kilkenny team of the late 00s, early 10s, in terms of physical presence, style of play and ability to win own ball. What Galway supporters seem to remain blissfully ignorant of is that along with these aforementioned traits, their team is as guilty, if not more guilty than Kilkenny of, use of the spare hand, cynical play, influencing referees, and indiscipline etc.

This can be fleshed out in many ways, you can compare Kilkenny and Galways in head to heads over all competitions over the last decade for example, looking at say number of sendings off or instances of outright dirt e.g. how TJ Reids knee was shattered, Cryill D's early bath in 2012, general Andy Smith-ing and you'll find that it is not Kilkenny that is the more guilty here, or you can simply look at Sundays game as a snapshot. Influencing the ref? Canning in Horgan's ear at every turn, Cynical play? Burke on Scanlon, McInerney on Walsh. Pushing the rules, Joe "Not That Type Of Player" Canning's hurl became very loose once again on more than one occasion, Harte grabbing the Kilkenny forwards arm falling to ground looking for a free, fooling everyone in stadium except the ref judging by the crowd's reaction to no free been given etc. etc.

Now I'd like to stress I have no real problem with any of the examples given from Sunday's game, indeed Kilkenny have been guilty of the same and more over the years, but if someone from Galway starts pontificating about Kilkenny "pushing the rules to the absolute limit and playing the ref" I think they are worth pointing out in order to provide some prospective"
If you want to complain about Galway's cynical play, you need to have a look at what your full back line were at all game on Conor Whelan and Brian Concannon. They were constantly being pulled and dragged. Whelan could have had more frees than Kilkenny had scores. I agree what Daithi Burke did could have seen red, but having watched the game back yesterday, the amount of insanely soft frees Kilkenny got compared to Galway was ridiculous.

Townee2018 (Galway) - Posts: 281 - 30/05/2018 10:14:54    2105503

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Replying To Townee2018:  "If you want to complain about Galway's cynical play, you need to have a look at what your full back line were at all game on Conor Whelan and Brian Concannon. They were constantly being pulled and dragged. Whelan could have had more frees than Kilkenny had scores. I agree what Daithi Burke did could have seen red, but having watched the game back yesterday, the amount of insanely soft frees Kilkenny got compared to Galway was ridiculous."
With respect Townee2018, I think you missed the point of my post. It was not to complain about Galway at all, it was to point out that Galway are no shrinking violets in context of another poster from Galway stating that Kilkenny do "pushing the rules to the absolute limit and playing the ref"

In fairness to clare_sparrow, his post was not the sole reason I posted it, I have seen many posts here and elsewhere from Galway people concerning kilkenny's playing on the edge etc. and I thought I would highlight that Galway do, and have, given as good as they've got, and more, in this regard.

Heftydickonem (Kilkenny) - Posts: 175 - 30/05/2018 11:02:22    2105526

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Replying To Heftydickonem:  "With respect Townee2018, I think you missed the point of my post. It was not to complain about Galway at all, it was to point out that Galway are no shrinking violets in context of another poster from Galway stating that Kilkenny do "pushing the rules to the absolute limit and playing the ref"

In fairness to clare_sparrow, his post was not the sole reason I posted it, I have seen many posts here and elsewhere from Galway people concerning kilkenny's playing on the edge etc. and I thought I would highlight that Galway do, and have, given as good as they've got, and more, in this regard."
Oh ya, I agree. I think that is this Galway team finally wising up and coming of age a little bit. We can all pretend to be nice and say our county plays lovely neat hurling, but at the end of the day the cynical edge is needed whether we like it or not. KK had a reputation for it during the dominant years, and if it's the price you pay for a few All Irelands, I have no issue with it!

Same goes for football, just look at the Dubs in the closing moments of the All Ireland last year.

Townee2018 (Galway) - Posts: 281 - 30/05/2018 13:28:16    2105589

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Replying To clare_sparrow:  "Heftydickonem I agree with you too, to a point. But I am only delighted Galway are playing the way Kilkenny did for years. If it won us a quarter of the All Irelands it won ye we would be delighted. I for one was ecstatic when Daithi Burke lay out young Scanlon. I know it was illegal and cost us a goal but it was one of the key points in the game that won it for Galway. And when McInerney layed out Walsh it took Killkennys best player out of the game for a long period. Its the cuteness that wins these tough matches and thankfully Galway are copying what worked so well for Kilkenny for a long long time."
Agree with leveling of Scanlon, if he ran through and got the goal people would say he should have been taken out. The ref issued a yellow which I myself thought was fair. McInerney did the same to Walsh and received no booking. Surely for the same foul the same card should have been shown. Would have seen Galway down to 14 men also. Just because the ref blew the whistle doesn't exempt someone from getting booked.

Faithfull (Offaly) - Posts: 573 - 30/05/2018 14:03:11    2105607

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Offaly v Dublin - It was seen as the relegation decider by many before the off. Dublin have an extra week's break in their favour. Offaly will need to lift it big time if they're to survive relegation which would be a big blow to the development of this team.

PortInFaithful (Offaly) - Posts: 472 - 30/05/2018 17:11:15    2105681

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Shane Dooley benched? Either he's not 100% fit, or Offaly are going for all out harakiri.

extranjero (Wexford) - Posts: 375 - 02/06/2018 13:12:33    2106457

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