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For Meath I think it's just a bit early for them to have realized the benefit of the inflows. People moving are going to be young adults, people with young families, moving to Dublin for work. People moving for their careers are not going to have the ability to seriously concentrate on football even if they have talent. The children of these guys will be involved in Meath GAA though. Some of these East Meath clubs like Dunboyne, Ratoath, Ashbourne, Colmcilles are in very good shape at underage level. They've setups not far removed from the biggest clubs in Dublin. There's plenty of non Dublin folks involved in these clubs who are growing up with affiliation to Meath. I think the future is bright for Meath. The under 17 from last year was a good side. Hopefully the conveyor belt can start now. They need to bring through a number of these sides over the next 10 years to be up to where they want to be. Only time will tell. I think there could do with refinements to their club setup at underage. They could do with some regional teams. Some of the teams are really struggling to be competitive. You need to have as many youngsters playing a good standard of football as possible. Some of the talent in the North Meath clubs is probably not well served by the current structures. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4207 - 10/05/2018 18:23:04 2097949 Link 0 |
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I would agree with you. One of the more significant problems was the poor management of development squads over a number of years with guys in charge who had little or no expertise in what they were trying to do.
browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 10/05/2018 20:36:35 2097970 Link 0 |
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Wouldn't often agree with you but yes there is hope from u20 down that Meath teams are benefiting from much better structural improvements. However when you go to Ashbourne and are blitzed with dubs jerseys and to a lesser extent in rathoath the same thing, you can see what we facing , now I will state this clearly, my kids all wore/ware Meath tops around Westmeath and view Meath as there first team and should any of them be good enough for county team they would probably opt for Meath. So while I am sympathetic to what Meath are facing I can't be a hypocrite royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 10/05/2018 21:29:09 2097981 Link 0 |
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Tge Leinster championship is a joke because Dublin are so far ahead of everyone and teams are beat before they even take the field. yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11227 - 11/05/2018 08:10:47 2098015 Link 0 |
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It was the same in Drogheda when I was based there, far more soccer teams than GAA clubs around the place, and it was even hard to see GAA fixtures in the pubs, other than perhaps the All-Ireland finals.
Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 11/05/2018 10:00:39 2098102 Link 0 |
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Is Munster a joke too? A carve up between Cork and Kerry for a 100 years? Most Kerry actually. What about Ulster? Maybe competitive among themselves but when the best two teams up there came down to play the best Leinster team they got soundly thrashed and lost by more than the gap in the Leinster Final. So does that mean Ulster is competitive? And it wasn't so long ago Connacht was regarded as a bit of a joke too but the wheel turned there eventually. You can call Leinster a joke but Leinster has at this point probably the best team ever to play football in it and when the rest come up against Dublin they find they can't beat them either. Your own county have given it a great go but never got there. There is a saying "don't criticise others for not doing something you can't do yourself ". A lot of people from other counties might remember that when pontificatingabout Leinster football.
kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 11/05/2018 10:43:50 2098226 Link 1 |
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As a traditionalist, I wouldn't like to see the Provs go - but we need an AIC facelist launch with blockbuster pairings - in parallel with Provs, I'd have a Super 18 with six groups of 3, all 'inter prov' to contrast the Provs. Top 2 in each with Prov Champs to Sam KO Rd of 16 (byes to AI QFs for any Champs advancing from the groups). omahant (USA) - Posts: 2570 - 11/05/2018 12:37:22 2098561 Link 0 |
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Now you have 18 happy teams with the rest disenfranchised. I could be reading you incorrectly but that's how it looks to me.
kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 11/05/2018 13:31:19 2098719 Link 0 |
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Another slant though, a team outside of Leinster hasn't won an All Ireland since 2014. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 11/05/2018 13:50:08 2098779 Link 1 |
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The last team to beat Dublin and win an All Ireland was Cork in 2010. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 11/05/2018 14:15:17 2098859 Link 1 |
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Totally agree.
kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 11/05/2018 14:24:16 2098887 Link 0 |
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Population and resources doesnt gurantee sucess. One example, Wicklow. Wicklow has the population resources economy a d location . Wicklow have a very strong club scene. Yet with all these advantages they are in bottom 2 or 3 counties out of 32 in the whole country. Only themselves and Fermanagh have never won a provincial title. And they only won their first match in Croker in the championship a couple of years ago eg mid 00s. So Wicklow shows pop resources dont gurantee sucess. Take limerick a sportsmad county. Great strong GAA tradition and scene. Big population and resources yet in hurling Limerick have only won 1 senior hurling title in 90 years. And in football limerick havent beaten kerry in the championship or won a Munster senior football title in 120 years. Take Antrim. Now I know half the population is not going to play. But when you see Monaghan doing so well. Antrim with pop location and resources should be doing better. Yet Antrim havent won a Ulster football title in over 75 years. Mayo have done really really well recently. But I think Mayo have a unique factor driving them on that no other county has. Mayo have produced quality footballers and top class managers for the last 15 years. But whats driving Mayo to 4 All Ireland finals in 6 years, which has never happened before ( A county losing 4 finals in 6 years). To keep coming back is remarkable and you have to admire their bravery. But its become so important to Mayo people to win Sam. Its like the county, the players, the fans are on a crusade to win Sam. In that so many times you hear Mayo fans ' before I die I want to see Mayo win Sam'. It means so much to Mayo people. Winning Sam would mean more to them then any other county. Its become a counties dream, almost obession to end the famine and break the curse. Thats what driving these brave Mayo footballers. I think if Mayo had won in 2012 or 13 they wouldnt have reached the last 2 finals. I know its hard to prove. But Mayo quest for Sam is being driven by the passion and hunger of a county desire to win an All Ireland that has become so important to every man woman and child in Mayo. Very admirable passion. No other county in Ireland has this sort of unique experience that Mayo have of losing 9 finals in 25 years , that is unprecedented, and leading to Mayo teams drive to end the famine of 70 plus years and break the curse. Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 11/05/2018 15:44:13 2099118 Link 0 |
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In the last 88 years of the Munster championship, Kerry have won 61 of the last 88 Munster senior championships. Thats some going. 1 Tipp havent won a Munster title in 80 years 2 Clare have won 1 Munster title in 90 years 3 limerick havent won a Munster title in 120 years 4 Waterford havent won a Munster title in 120 years also their only Munster title. 5 The Munster championship has been won by Kerry or Cork every year since 1923 with the exception of victories by Tipperary in 1935 and Clare in 1992. 6 Watterford havent beaten Kerry in Munster championship in 60 years. 7 Tipperary havent beaten Kerry in the Munster championship in 91 years. 8 Limerick havent beaten Kerry in the Munster championship in 120 years. 9 Clare have beaten Kerry once in the Munster championship in 80 years. 10 But with the exception of the late 80s and early 90s Cork have been second best to kerry since Independence. Kerry were the dominate force in Munster football in the 1920s, 30s,40s,50s,60s, 70s, early 1980s and 00s and this decade. There is the odd Cork year of sucess in between eg 1973 but overall you take out late 80s and early 90s , and pretty much for 90% of the last 100 years kerry have been top dog in Munster. Kerry always play up how how Cork good are. And they need a Cork Munster final to prepare them for the championship outside Munster. 11 Years Kerry won Munster Senior titles 1920s: 6 for Kerry (1923-24-25-26-27-29) 1930s: 9 for Kerry (1930-31-32-33-34-36-37-38-39) 1940s: 7 for Kerry (1940-41-42-44-46-47-48) 1950s: 7 for Kerry (1950-51-53-54-55-58-59) 1960s: 8 for Kerry (1960-61-62-63-64-65-68-69) 1970s: 7 for Kerry (1970-72-75-76-77-78-79) 1980s: 6 for Kerry (1980-81-82-84-85-86) 1990s: 5 for Cork (1990-93-94-95-99) 2000s: 6 for Kerry (2000-01-03-04-05-07) 2010s: 7 for Kerry (2010-11-13-14-15-16-17) Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 11/05/2018 15:47:30 2099129 Link 0 |
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Hmmm. I would not disrespect the competition and call it a joke but there is a lack of competitiveness in the leinster teams when not facing Dublin, that is the bit that most others would see as an issue. Everyone suffers Dublin's wrath with only Mayo coming close to matching them. However, the best of the rest in Leinster for the last few years do not seem to be quite at the same level as the others. Kildare gave the leinster final a good go but still lost by 9 points. The problem is being dumped out by a weaker Ulster team in the next game, they had a terrible league this year. If Kildare, Meath or even Westmeath were consistently getting QF places and holding places in Div 1 it would show they are at the same level the best of the rest. A second Leinster team is an essential in the super 8s to help push this on. seanfinn (Monaghan) - Posts: 360 - 11/05/2018 15:48:02 2099131 Link 0 |
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Dublin always had a rival..or whoever was the dominant force in the provience at the time. This decade first time ever they no rival. Dublin have always been dominate in leinster look at their numbers of titles .. 1920 30s Dublin had Kildare as a rival 1940s and 50s Meath had Louth and Dublin as rivals 1960s Meath had Offaly as a rival 1970s Dublin had Offaly as a rival 1980s Meath had Dublin as a rival 1990s Meath had Dublin Kildare and Offaly as rivals 2000s Dublin had Meath Laois and Westmeath as a rival 2010s Dublin have no rivals 1 The only periods you had a very competitive leinster championship when you had numerous winners were late 90s to early 00s eg Winners Meath Dublin Kildare Offaly Laois Westmeath The early 40s and 50s is the only other period When you had a really competitive leinster with Meath Dublin Louth Kildare Wexford Laois and Carlow winners . 1940s 50s - Winners Meath Dublin Louth Kildare Wexford Carlow Laois 2 In the last 55 or 56 years I think Dublin have won 29 Meath 13 Offaly 9 Kildare 2 Laois Westmeath and longford 1 each. Dublin have been the kingpins for a long time in leinster. Take Meath and Offaly out of the equation Dublin could potentially have won 49 of the last 55 leinster titles 3 You had a golden age of leinster football between 96 to 05 with Meath Dublin Kildare Offaly Laois and Westmeath were winners. But that was an unusual period of competitiveness in leinster football. But before that from 1958 to 1997 Dublin Meath and Offaly divided all the leinster titles between each other . Only longfords win in 1968 broke up that sequence and Louths win in 1957 and Kildare in 1956. Dublin could have won 38 leinster titles in a row during this period in the 60s 70s 80s and early 90s only for Meath and Offaly. 5 Leinster is great football provience. With many great areas and supporters and clubs. But Dublins being the kingpins did not begin in the last 13 years with 12 titles. It's being the narrative of leinster football for 130 years. Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 11/05/2018 16:02:52 2099176 Link 0 |
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This is shows how dominant Dublin have been in leinster football. They have an aura in leinster football for decades. Teams are beaten before they even enter the field v Dublin for decades. Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 11/05/2018 16:16:59 2099216 Link 0 |
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Fair enough but the losing Leinster finalist never seems to recover well from a heavy defeat inflicted by Dublin. The other counties don't face Dublin until it's usually straight knock out so they never find out how they fair in the next game. If the best two teams in Ulster lose heavy to Dublin last year does that mean Ulster is competitive or just that Ulster is competitive but at a lower level? After last year it looks like the latter.
kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 11/05/2018 17:07:45 2099360 Link 2 |
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When was the last time a Leinster team besides Dublin got to an allireland semifinal? Was it Kildare in 2010? KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 11/05/2018 18:29:11 2099603 Link 0 |
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Yep the last All Ireland semi finalist from leinster outside Dublin were Kildare in 2010 . The next leinster semi finalist outside Dublin were Meath in 2009, 2007, 2001, Then Kildare reached the semis in 2000 and Meath again in 1999 . Kildare reached the last four in 1998 and Meath reached the semi finals in 1996, 1991, 1990 1988. 1987 . Offaly were next to reach in the All Ireland semi final in 1982, 1981, 1980, 1972, 1971 and Meath reached the last four in 1970. Thats all the leinster semi finalist from leinster outisde Dublin in the last half a century of football. The last time a leinster team reached an AII Ireland final outside Dublin was 17 years ago with Meath in 2001. Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 11/05/2018 18:41:19 2099638 Link 0 |
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I wonder if you transplanted any of Meath, Kildare or Westmeath to Munster or Connacht would they be competitive for provincal honors, more so then in Leinster. Hypothetical I know. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 11/05/2018 19:10:33 2099719 Link 0 |