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To be fair to O Se, i think he makes a valid point but in a very disrespectful way. Traditionally Leinster has probably or arguably been the most competitive province in the long history of the GAA, so from that lofty height to Dublin's dominance is a large fall.
He does say it would be a great Championship without Dublin, so maybe he is just an exasperated Kerry man wishing there was a bit more adversity for Dublin to face as they have historically in Leinster.
I would disagree with him on some counts i think many counties in Leinster try and put it up to Dublin, Carlow were great last year, Kildare really had a cut of them playing their own game and did damage, Meath leave it all on the pitch and Westmeath have tried ever conceivable way to play Dublin.
Im not sure its just Leinster, not many teams outside of the province have beaten Dublin if we are being frankly honest about the whole thing, Dublin have just been very good.
I think the whole thing is interesting, i think its widely acknowledged the value of playing in Munster to Kerry in their historic success in comparison to other counties, i think only for Clares win in 90's you have to go back 80 years since either Kerry or Cork have not won a Munster and its mostly always Kerry. Since Dublin have gained a similar advantage of an easier route through the provincials, it seems like there is a new sheriff in town and Dublin have been the dominant force in football and hold the balance of power. Whether thats a cyclical thing or whether its created an even playing field is debatable, but interesting to ponder.
Certainly in a week when Mayo Vs Galway and Tyrone Vs Monghan, you would have to say the provincials and broader championship certainly stacks the deck in favor of Dublin and Kerry.
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Replying To Jack_Goff: "Dublin to win 13/14 leinsters. Easy. I won't pay into any matches this year in leinster out of principle as I refuse to support a corrupt system set up by the gaa. Any non deluded fans from outside Dublin should do likewise.
Dublin playing in this province is the equivalent of the galway hurlers playing in connaught against mayo, sligo, Leitrim and roscommon. It makes no sense.
Very interested in the connaught and ulster football championships, leinster and munster hurling and then finally the super 8's." And their will be lots more like you. I said on here before people will vote with their feet and not bother going to matches that are already foregone conclusions. Attendances in Leinster will suffer. And no matter how O'Se wants to see it, Munster is and has been just as bad in a competitive sense.
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Replying To Jack_Goff: "Dublin to win 13/14 leinsters. Easy. I won't pay into any matches this year in leinster out of principle as I refuse to support a corrupt system set up by the gaa. Any non deluded fans from outside Dublin should do likewise.
Dublin playing in this province is the equivalent of the galway hurlers playing in connaught against mayo, sligo, Leitrim and roscommon. It makes no sense.
Very interested in the connaught and ulster football championships, leinster and munster hurling and then finally the super 8's." I take your general point, but the comparison with Galway playing hurling in Connacht is nonsense. None of the other 5 counties in Connacht have anything other than small pockets of hurling.
Kildare and Meath are football counties, as are the majority of other Leinster counties. Dublin do have advantages and nobody's disagreeing with that.
However, ask yourself how Mayo have been able to be extremely competitive with Dublin over the last 5 years, while neither Kildare nor Meath have.
What advantages do Mayo have in comparison to both counties? If anything, they're at a disadvantage given player location and travel.
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Replying To WanPintWin: "I take your general point, but the comparison with Galway playing hurling in Connacht is nonsense. None of the other 5 counties in Connacht have anything other than small pockets of hurling.
Kildare and Meath are football counties, as are the majority of other Leinster counties. Dublin do have advantages and nobody's disagreeing with that.
However, ask yourself how Mayo have been able to be extremely competitive with Dublin over the last 5 years, while neither Kildare nor Meath have.
What advantages do Mayo have in comparison to both counties? If anything, they're at a disadvantage given player location and travel." Ok and then ask yourself why Kildare had a 9 point defeat to Dublin last year while Monaghan and Tyrone had I think 11 and 14 point defeats respectively? These are supposed to be the best two teams in Ulster. Its not just Leinster thats uncompetitive, its the whole championship with massive exemption of Mayo. No point in bashing Leinster teams when the rest fail to an equal or even larger degree. It isn't just a Leinster failing. Plus all the other provincial finals last year were double digit losses for the losers. There wasn't one good final among them.
kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 08/05/2018 13:54:22
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Replying To tipp11: "Dublin will win it easy, nobody will argue that.
I think people are seriously underestimating kildare, i think they are fairly comfortably the 2nd best team in leinster, the league this year seems like performances were there in the main and they were very competitive but results didnt come and people are reading too much into the fact they didnt win a game,
meath, i only saw them playing against us in the league and they were awful, teams can have an off night but ill be very surprised if theres any much to come from them in the championship, as has been said i think longford is a great value bet against them.
Hard to know with the rest of leinster, longford and westmeath are capable of big performances and uspsets" But Kildare have always flattered to deceive
ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 08/05/2018 18:43:53
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Replying To royaldunne: "That will be a tough one Ollie, although the loss of Murphy is huge to Carlow imo" Yes Murphy is a huge loss to Carlow. Back in 2011 Carlow created history by beating the Wee County for the first time in Championship history. Louth were winning by 3 points and and Carlow scored the last 4 points of the match. Murphy scored 3 of them points including the winner in stoppage time.
OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 12224 - 08/05/2018 19:08:11
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Replying To baire: "Hard to disagree with Tomás Ó Sé here:
"Leinster is a joke at the moment," the former Kerry star said at the launch of RTÉ's GAA Championships coverage in Donnybrook yesterday.
"Take Dublin out of it and you've a good Leinster championship. The rest are so far behind at the moment. Everyone talks about Dublin, whatever, how brilliant [they are .
"I think teams are beaten before they go out against Dublin. It's ridiculous; I wouldn't even watch a Leinster championship match now."
I wouldn't watch it either although Munster was also a bit of a joke for years with only two serious teams there. The same could be said of Connacht in years past. The provincial system has been mostly uneven and non-competitive in at least two provinces."]I cannot really disagree with O Ses comments. This is the most uncompetitive leinster championship in 130 years. Meath are having their worst decade since 1920s. Kildare are also having one of their worst decades ( along with the 1980s) since 1920s. Offaly are having their worst decade since 1950s , since before they emerged on the football scene. Laois are having their worst decade since 1970s. While louth are going up and down divisions 4 3 2 yearly. Wicklow are stuck in division 4 after a good decade in the 00s. While Wexford are back in div 4 after having their best decade since the 40s in the 00s.
Only Dublin with their greatest team ever, Carlow having their best period in 30 years, Westmeath are having solid period with their first ever consecutive leinster finals appearances in a row and Longford are also making solid progess.
But overall this decade is an all time low for leinster football. Dublin havent had to face strong division 1 opposition ( a team in division 1 year after year) since early 00s. Compared to early 90s when you had 4 top division 1 teams in the proviences all wining leinster titles and playing in national finals . Compared to every decade or era when you had at least two top division 1 teams in leinster winning leinster titles and winning or at least reaching an All Ireland final. Its 17 years since a leinster team other then Dublin reached a All Ireland final. That has never happened before. So Tomas is right there.
But the issue I have is Tomas seems to have forgot or ignored that you could also say Munster football has been in the same situation for generations as leinster is currently. Kerry have dominated Munster football pretty much for 100 years the same way Dublin r dominating leinster football at the moment. He says leinster teams are beating before they ever enter the field v Dublin. You could say the same thing about Kerry in Munster for 100 years. There is an aura surrounding kerry down South where the rest in Munster for generations dont believe they can beat the kingdom.
Yes Tipp and Clare are making good progress recently . But will they beat kerry in a Munster final in the next 4 or 5 years. Theres no gurantee they will. Tipp havent won a Munster title in 80 years, Clare have won 1 Munster title in 90 years and limerick havent won a Munster title in 120 years. Waterford havent won a Munster title in 120 years also their only Munster title. That doesnt make for a very competitive Munster championship since 1900. The Munster championship has been won by Kerry or Cork every year since 1923 with the exception of victories by Tipperary in 1935 and Clare in 1992. Watterford havent beaten Kerry in Munster championship in 60 years. Tipperary havent beaten Kerry in the Munster championship in 91 years. And Limerick havent beaten Kerry in the Munster championship in 120 years. Clare have beaten Kerry once in the Munster championship in 80 years.
Look at the below stats, look at Kerrys sucess rate in Munster
1920s: 6 for Kerry (1923-24-25-26-27-29)
1930s: 9 for Kerry (1930-31-32-33-34-36-37-38-39)
1940s: 7 for Kerry (1940-41-42-44-46-47-48)
1950s: 7 for Kerry (1950-51-53-54-55-58-59)
1960s: 8 for Kerry (1960-61-62-63-64-65-68-69)
1970s: 7 for Kerry (1970-72-75-76-77-78-79)
1980s: 6 for Kerry (1980-81-82-84-85-86)
1990s: 5 for Cork (1990-93-94-95-99)
2000s: 6 for Kerry (2000-01-03-04-05-07)
2010s: 7 for Kerry (2010-11-13-14-15-16-17)
Then you take Cork. Cork and Kerry is the biggest myth of a rivalry in GAA. Most rivalries both teams have periods of domination or sucess over the other. Kilkenny and Tipp have great battles where supremacy swings from one to another. Mayo and Galway is very 50 50 rivalry if u take out Galways All Ireland wins. Mayo are sucessful for years then Galway are sucessful. The same with Meath and Dublin. For 80 years Meath went toe to toe with Dublin until this decade. For years Dublin teams couldnt beat Meath teams year after year ( Late 40s , late 50s, 60s, late 80s, late 90s) and for years Meath couldnt beat Dublin teams ( Late 50s, Late 70s, Early 80s, mid 90s , 00s ). Meath won 7 All Irelands to Dublins 9 in that 80 year period. With Meath having the same sucess rate as Dublin in 40s 50s 60s ( 1 All Ireland win each in each decade) and Dublin being more sucessful in 70s ( 3 All Irelands) and Meath more sucessful in 80s and 90s (Meath 4 All Irelands to Dublins 2). A very equal rivalry until this decade.
But with the exception of the late 80s and early 90s Cork have been second best to kerry since Independence. Kerry were the dominate force in Munster football in the 1920s, 30s,40s,50s,60s, 70s, early 1980s and 00s and this decade. There is the odd Cork year of sucess in between eg 1973 but overall you take out late 80s and early 90s , and pretty much for 90% of the last 100 years kerry have been top dog in Munster. Kerry always play up how how Cork good are. And they need a Cork Munster final to prepare them for the championship outside Munster.
There is no love lost between kerry and Cork and a Munster final with Cork and Kerry in killarney or Pairc ui Chaoimh is always a grand occasion. But usually always kerry win. look at how Cork couldnt beat kerry in Croke Park in 00s. Cork is a masive football county. Has more football clubs then kerry. Yet for many Cork GAA people hurling is number 1. Been defeated kerry yearly probaly meant Cork hurling is held in higher esteem down south. Cork for all their resources should be on double the All Irelands at least and double the Munster titles. But kerry have had them in metal vice grip for generations. And at the moment Cork are at their lowest since 1950s. That was the last time they were in divsion 2 and been beating by Tipp in the championship.
So when Tomas O Se says Leinster foot all is a joke he is right. But if he puts the same criteria to Munster football, that teams in Munster are beaten before they ever enter the field v kerry. Is Munster football a bigger joke for a longer period. Are am I been harsh on Tomas and Munster. ( Who happens to be one of my favorite players the since 2000).
Also there also being periods when Connacht and Ulster were one sided and had lean years. From 1900 to 1960 with the odd Antrim victory , Cavan dominated Ulster . Winning 20 or so Ulster tiltles out of maybe 21. Cavan had the same aura , Dublin have at the moment were teams were beaten before they entered the field for half century v Cavan teams in Ulster.
Down changed that in the 60s. While in the 70s and 80s Ulster football was very uncompetitive when teams came out of the province. It must be said there was conflict , a war basically in the north so that made it almost impossible for Ulster teams to prepare properly. Since 1990s the best teams, best players, best tactics, best managers have come from Ulster and it has became the strongest provience. With Down Donegal Derry Tyrone and Armgh all winning Sam. However with 4 All Ireland wins in the 90s and 4 more in the 00s. Ulster has only won 1 All Ireland in this decade so far. So has the provience of Ulster somewhat declined in this decade so far.
In Connacht the 1970s 80s and early 90s, Connacht championship was seen as weak also. However particularly Mayo have risen Connacht football promience in the game in the last 20 years. And Connacht teams at the moment have 3 top division 1 teams with Mayo Galway and Roscommon. But the fact is in the last 50 years Connacht teams have only won 2 All Irelands to Ulsters 10 All Ireland titles and Munsters 21 All Ireland titles and leinsters 17 All Ireland titles in the same time period.
All the proviences have had very bad periods and lean years. leinster is just having its least competitive currently. But even though there is a less sense of togetherness in leinster then Connacht or Ulster in the GAA. This decade will show that Ulster have won 1 All Ireland, Munster have won 1 All Ireland and leinster have won 5 All Irelands so far.
Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 08/05/2018 19:33:35
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This has been a dreadful decade for Meath and kildare. Laois and Offaly also have had their worst decade in generations.
In this decade kildare have reached only 1 leinster final. They have had 3 relegations in 5 years. They currently have lost 10 games in a row. They have lost their last 6 games in Croke Park in the last 3 years. They havent won a match in Croke Park in the championship in 5 years. They have only won in Croke Park 3 times in the championship in this decade. They have lost their last 35 of their last 40 matchs in Croke Park. They havent won a leinster senior semi final in Croke Park in 9 years since 2009.
And they have had some of the worst defeats in their history in the last decade, record defeats to Dublin and Kerry. Two defeats v Dublin recently are their two worst defeats in the leinster championship in 100 years for kildare football. kildares 19 point defeat to Dublin in 2015 is kildares worst defeat to Dublin since 1897 ( Dublin 5 -18 Kildare 0-14) . The 7 goal hammering v Kerry in 2015 is the worst defeat for kildare in the championship outside leinster in 100 years ( Kerry 7 -16 Kildare 0-10). Other bad defeats (Cork 2-19 0-12 in 2012).
( In terms of the leinster senior championship, the stats show kildare are not the second most sucessful team in the leinster championship in this decade which most people would probaly believe. They are the fourth. Dublin r number 1 of course with 7 senior titles, Meath r second with 4 leinster final appearances and 1 title, Westmeath have 2 leinster final appearances and kildare have 1 leinster final appearances along with Louth who also have 1.)
It is also Meaths worst decade since the 1920s, if Meath dont reach an All Ireland in the next 2 years it will be first decade since 1920s that has happened. Meaths lose to Dublin in 2014 is Meath worst lose to Dublin since the 1920s. There was bad loses in 95 ( but Meath were ahead with ten mins to go), early 60s and 1955 ( but that Meath team was overhil in 55 after winning the final with the oldest team ever in 54) . 2014 was first time in hundred years a Meath v Dublin match was over by half time. Meath have also spent 12 years outside division 1, 11 of them in div 2. And had 7 managers in 12 years . And had their first loses in the championship ever to Tyrone Armagh and famously to Westmeath in 2015. Meath have not won an Under 21 title in 17 years or played in a senior All Ireland final in 17 years also.
Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 08/05/2018 20:08:28
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All the complaints about the football championship can be distilled into 1 thing.
A lack of competitive depth in the whole country.
Dublin have been given competitive games by only 2 counties in the last 3 years.
Dublin are absolutely fantastic and outside of Mayo and Kerry no one will get a sniff at them.
Had Dublin been in Ulster they would've absolutely walked it over the last 3 years also.
Dublin are class, there's very little else of note below Mayo and maybe at a push Kerry.
Tyrone and Galway need to do something at the latter in of the championship to be considered up there.
So 2 to 3 contenders split into 4 Provinces just means there's going to be some Provinces with very little excitement. That's what we've got.
In the short term there's not a lot can be done about it.
Splitting teams into groups at the start will hardly make things more exciting.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4219 - 08/05/2018 20:15:27
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Replying To Furlong1949: "This has been a dreadful decade for Meath and kildare. Laois and Offaly also have had their worst decade in generations.
In this decade kildare have reached only 1 leinster final. They have had 3 relegations in 5 years. They currently have lost 10 games in a row. They have lost their last 6 games in Croke Park in the last 3 years. They havent won a match in Croke Park in the championship in 5 years. They have only won in Croke Park 3 times in the championship in this decade. They have lost their last 35 of their last 40 matchs in Croke Park. They havent won a leinster senior semi final in Croke Park in 9 years since 2009.
And they have had some of the worst defeats in their history in the last decade, record defeats to Dublin and Kerry. Two defeats v Dublin recently are their two worst defeats in the leinster championship in 100 years for kildare football. kildares 19 point defeat to Dublin in 2015 is kildares worst defeat to Dublin since 1897 ( Dublin 5 -18 Kildare 0-14) . The 7 goal hammering v Kerry in 2015 is the worst defeat for kildare in the championship outside leinster in 100 years ( Kerry 7 -16 Kildare 0-10). Other bad defeats (Cork 2-19 0-12 in 2012).
( In terms of the leinster senior championship, the stats show kildare are not the second most sucessful team in the leinster championship in this decade which most people would probaly believe. They are the fourth. Dublin r number 1 of course with 7 senior titles, Meath r second with 4 leinster final appearances and 1 title, Westmeath have 2 leinster final appearances and kildare have 1 leinster final appearances along with Louth who also have 1.)
It is also Meaths worst decade since the 1920s, if Meath dont reach an All Ireland in the next 2 years it will be first decade since 1920s that has happened. Meaths lose to Dublin in 2014 is Meath worst lose to Dublin since the 1920s. There was bad loses in 95 ( but Meath were ahead with ten mins to go), early 60s and 1955 ( but that Meath team was overhil in 55 after winning the final with the oldest team ever in 54) . 2014 was first time in hundred years a Meath v Dublin match was over by half time. Meath have also spent 12 years outside division 1, 11 of them in div 2. And had 7 managers in 12 years . And had their first loses in the championship ever to Tyrone Armagh and famously to Westmeath in 2015. Meath have not won an Under 21 title in 17 years or played in a senior All Ireland final in 17 years also." Might have done no harm to mention the two back to back promotions Kildare had while you were at it.
kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 09/05/2018 00:54:48
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Replying To Whammo86: "All the complaints about the football championship can be distilled into 1 thing.
A lack of competitive depth in the whole country.
Dublin have been given competitive games by only 2 counties in the last 3 years.
Dublin are absolutely fantastic and outside of Mayo and Kerry no one will get a sniff at them.
Had Dublin been in Ulster they would've absolutely walked it over the last 3 years also.
Dublin are class, there's very little else of note below Mayo and maybe at a push Kerry.
Tyrone and Galway need to do something at the latter in of the championship to be considered up there.
So 2 to 3 contenders split into 4 Provinces just means there's going to be some Provinces with very little excitement. That's what we've got.
In the short term there's not a lot can be done about it.
Splitting teams into groups at the start will hardly make things more exciting." Exactly. It's the championship as a whole that's uncompetitive. Singling out one province over another is just deflection. If you can't hack it with the best when it's your turn to face them, what you have done up until then is irrelevant.
kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 09/05/2018 00:58:58
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This may be controversial but I think Dublin will win the Leinster championship this year ha ha. On a serious note, I think it would be good if Dublin entered one of the other provincial championships. At the very least it would give the Leinster teams something to play for. It must be very disheartening for them as it stands. Carlow gave a great account of themselves last year against Dublin but its rare any Leinster team can get within 7-8 points of them.
Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1874 - 09/05/2018 15:46:54
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Replying To Green_Gold: "This may be controversial but I think Dublin will win the Leinster championship this year ha ha. On a serious note, I think it would be good if Dublin entered one of the other provincial championships. At the very least it would give the Leinster teams something to play for. It must be very disheartening for them as it stands. Carlow gave a great account of themselves last year against Dublin but its rare any Leinster team can get within 7-8 points of them." They did indeed, a traditional weaker county and they gave it their all. They still lost the game by 12 points though.
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Regards the leinster championship Dublin have always being strong but the current situation in leinster is similar to Cavan in the 30s and 40s in that Dublin have no real challenge or rival in the provience in years. Thats unprecedented.
In the 1920s Dublin 3 time All Ireland winners had 2 time All Ireland winners and 6 time leinster winners kildare as a rival
In the 1930s Kildare 3 time leinster champions had Dublin leinster champions , Meath leinster Champions, national league division 1 winners and All Ireland finalist as rivals
In the 40s Meath 1 time All Ireland winners had louth multiple leinster winners and Carlow Wexford and Dublin all leinster title winners as rivals. Wexford and louth were also national league division 1 runner-up in this decade.
In the 1950s Meath 1 time All Ireland winners had Dublin 1 time All Ireland winners, Louth 1 time All Ireland winner and kildare leinster title winners and national league division 1 runner-up as rivals and so were Carlow national league division 1 runner-up .
In the 1960s Meath 1 time All Ireland winner had Dublin 1 time All Ireland winners, Offaly 2 time All Ireland finalist and Longford leinster titles winners and national league division 1 winners and kildare were national league division 1 runner-up as rivals
In the 1970s Dublin 3 time All Ireland winners had Offaly 2 time All Ireland winners , Meath All Ireland finalist leinster title and national league division 1 winners and kildare 4 times leinster finalist appearances as rivals
In the 1980s Meath two time All Ireland winners had Dublin 1 time All Ireland winners , Offaly 1 time All Ireland winners and laois national league division 1 winners as rivals
In the 90s Meath 2 time All Ireland winners had Dublin 1 time All Ireland winners , kildare All Ireland finalist leinster title winners and Offaly leinster title winners and national league division 1 final winners as rivals
In the 00s Meath All Ireland finalist and leinster winners had Dublin multiple leinster final winners and kildare Westmeath and laois were all leinster title winners as rivals
In this decade Dublin 5 times All Ireland champions have no rivals full stop.
Stats below to prove this
Only Meath have won 1 leinster title in 2010 in this decade outside Dublin. And Meath have fallen apart since. Not 1 leinster teams outside Dublin has a reached an All Ireland final this decade. No team in leinster has played consistent division 1 football. Dublin have not had to face strong division 1 opposition since mid 00s. kildare have spent 3 years in divsion 1 this decade. Two of them they were relegated. This will be the first decade ever you will not have a Leinster team winnining or at least reaching a national league division 1 final.
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In the 1930s Meath won national league division 1 title and kildare were in divsion 1 for years
In the 1940s Meath won national league division 1 title and Louth were in divsion 1 for years. Louth and Wexford were national league division 1 runner-up in this decade also.
In the 1950s Meath won 1 national league division 1 titles, kildare were in division 1 for years and reached a national league division division 1 final , while louth were in division 1 for most of the decade and Carlow were national league division 1 runner-up in this decade also.
In the 1960s Meath and Offaly were in divsion 1 for most of the decade and kildare reached a national league division 1 final.
In the 1970s Meath won national league division 1 title and Offaly and kildare were in division 1 at the start of the decade
In the 1980s laois and Meath won national league division 1 titles each. Offaly were in divsion 1 at the start of the decade
In the 1990s Meath won 2 national league division 1 titles and Offaly won 1 national league division 1 title. kildare were years in division 1 and reached a national league division 1 final in the early 90s.
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In the 00s Meath and laois reached national league division 1 finals and kildare spent periods in divsion 1.
In this decade No leinster team outside Dublin has won or even reached national league division 1 final. Any teams from leinster that have reached division 1 in this decade have all pretty much being relegated the year after .
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Replying To Furlong1949: "Regards the leinster championship Dublin have always being strong but the current situation in leinster is similar to Cavan in the 30s and 40s in that Dublin have no real challenge or rival in the provience in years. Thats unprecedented.
In the 1920s Dublin 3 time All Ireland winners had 2 time All Ireland winners and 6 time leinster winners kildare as a rival
In the 1930s Kildare 3 time leinster champions had Dublin leinster champions , Meath leinster Champions, national league division 1 winners and All Ireland finalist as rivals
In the 40s Meath 1 time All Ireland winners had louth multiple leinster winners and Carlow Wexford and Dublin all leinster title winners as rivals. Wexford and louth were also national league division 1 runner-up in this decade.
In the 1950s Meath 1 time All Ireland winners had Dublin 1 time All Ireland winners, Louth 1 time All Ireland winner and kildare leinster title winners and national league division 1 runner-up as rivals and so were Carlow national league division 1 runner-up .
In the 1960s Meath 1 time All Ireland winner had Dublin 1 time All Ireland winners, Offaly 2 time All Ireland finalist and Longford leinster titles winners and national league division 1 winners and kildare were national league division 1 runner-up as rivals
In the 1970s Dublin 3 time All Ireland winners had Offaly 2 time All Ireland winners , Meath All Ireland finalist leinster title and national league division 1 winners and kildare 4 times leinster finalist appearances as rivals
In the 1980s Meath two time All Ireland winners had Dublin 1 time All Ireland winners , Offaly 1 time All Ireland winners and laois national league division 1 winners as rivals
In the 90s Meath 2 time All Ireland winners had Dublin 1 time All Ireland winners , kildare All Ireland finalist leinster title winners and Offaly leinster title winners and national league division 1 final winners as rivals
In the 00s Meath All Ireland finalist and leinster winners had Dublin multiple leinster final winners and kildare Westmeath and laois were all leinster title winners as rivals
In this decade Dublin 5 times All Ireland champions have no rivals full stop.
Stats below to prove this
Only Meath have won 1 leinster title in 2010 in this decade outside Dublin. And Meath have fallen apart since. Not 1 leinster teams outside Dublin has a reached an All Ireland final this decade. No team in leinster has played consistent division 1 football. Dublin have not had to face strong division 1 opposition since mid 00s. kildare have spent 3 years in divsion 1 this decade. Two of them they were relegated. This will be the first decade ever you will not have a Leinster team winnining or at least reaching a national league division 1 final.
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In the 1930s Meath won national league division 1 title and kildare were in divsion 1 for years
In the 1940s Meath won national league division 1 title and Louth were in divsion 1 for years. Louth and Wexford were national league division 1 runner-up in this decade also.
In the 1950s Meath won 1 national league division 1 titles, kildare were in division 1 for years and reached a national league division division 1 final , while louth were in division 1 for most of the decade and Carlow were national league division 1 runner-up in this decade also.
In the 1960s Meath and Offaly were in divsion 1 for most of the decade and kildare reached a national league division 1 final.
In the 1970s Meath won national league division 1 title and Offaly and kildare were in division 1 at the start of the decade
In the 1980s laois and Meath won national league division 1 titles each. Offaly were in divsion 1 at the start of the decade
In the 1990s Meath won 2 national league division 1 titles and Offaly won 1 national league division 1 title. kildare were years in division 1 and reached a national league division 1 final in the early 90s.
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In the 00s Meath and laois reached national league division 1 finals and kildare spent periods in divsion 1.
In this decade No leinster team outside Dublin has won or even reached national league division 1 final. Any teams from leinster that have reached division 1 in this decade have all pretty much being relegated the year after ." Fair play to you furlong you put a lot of work and research into that post,
would moving Dublin into another province help the situation In Leinster do you think or is this just Dublin's time and the Meaths Kildares and Offalys will come sting again ?
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 09/05/2018 22:43:39
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How do others rate Wexford's chances v Laois on Saturday evening?? I think they've nothing to fear. Could the underdogs take Laois in Wexford Park???
Wicklowman (Wicklow) - Posts: 1138 - 09/05/2018 23:05:07
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Thanks KingdomBoy1,
Its very complicated, Its not Dublins fault, they have a golden generation, brillant managers and army of volunteer works doing massive work at underage level. Dublin are going to continue being superstrong. For the rest in leinster theyre needs to be vision theyre needs to be a plan for the whole provience, like Costello had for Dublin in mid 00s. I would place or appoint someone like Costello in charge of leinster football and set out a plan so the whole provience is lifted up . I doubt he will leave Dublin.
Meath and kildare need to tap into population growth, The fact is which will surprise people the population growth in both counties has had no positives on GAA for Meath or kildare. Most of the newcomers are Dubs who support Dublin and want their kids to play for Dublin. So Meath and kildare r becoming football nurserys for Dublin. Meath and kildare need to put in a plan to engage with the newcomers to the county, to make them want to play for Meath and kildare.
More should be done with Offaly. Such a great tradition and its shame where they are.
Laois shouldnt be in div 4 this year, again great football county with great clubs, Portlaoise is the fastest growing town in Ireland, laois need to take advantage of that
Wicklow with such big pop, location and strong ecomony, should be doing better. There r strong club structiues in the county and Wicklow is a county with huge potential if leinster council prioritised it.
Louth are another county with great GAA people , strong clubs, another county that could be prioritised.
I dont really know, but at the moment I dont see Meath kildare Laois Westmeath roaring back. Dublin will be beaten in leisnter in the next 3 to 4 years, sooner then you think. But it will probaly be like 2010 , they will lose one year the Dubs but come back with a 8 in a row leinster title .
Outside the provience so many other counties are in decline eg Cork Down Derry Armagh. It will be probaly left to you guys in Kerry to knock Dublin from their perch. And with your minor winning teams and Jack O Connor to come back to senior management you can see kerry winning multiple All Irelands in the 2020s. Thats the genius of kerry football.
Its not that you win All Irelands, it when you are knocked down , you always come back. Down were beating kerry in the 60s, people said kerry were finished. Kerry finished the decade with a two in a row. Cork won Sam in 73 with great style, people said Cork would dominate for years. Kerry won 8 All Irelands in the following 11 years. Kerry had a bad period in 90s but under Paudi but you came roaring back. When Meath Armagh Tyrone defeated kerry in early 00s. Again people were saying kerry were in trouble. Yet Kerry would win 4 more All irelands by the end of the decade. Again 2014 was an example of kerry proving everyone you cannot the kingdom off.
So it will be up to Kerry and as Colm O Rourke said there are 3 certain things in life death, paying taxes and kerry winning All Irelands in September. Kerry will do the business in the coming years. For the rest of us there is no easy way out and very little light at the end of the tunnell.
Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 10/05/2018 00:01:43
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Replying To Furlong1949: "Thanks KingdomBoy1,
Its very complicated, Its not Dublins fault, they have a golden generation, brillant managers and army of volunteer works doing massive work at underage level. Dublin are going to continue being superstrong. For the rest in leinster theyre needs to be vision theyre needs to be a plan for the whole provience, like Costello had for Dublin in mid 00s. I would place or appoint someone like Costello in charge of leinster football and set out a plan so the whole provience is lifted up . I doubt he will leave Dublin.
Meath and kildare need to tap into population growth, The fact is which will surprise people the population growth in both counties has had no positives on GAA for Meath or kildare. Most of the newcomers are Dubs who support Dublin and want their kids to play for Dublin. So Meath and kildare r becoming football nurserys for Dublin. Meath and kildare need to put in a plan to engage with the newcomers to the county, to make them want to play for Meath and kildare.
More should be done with Offaly. Such a great tradition and its shame where they are.
Laois shouldnt be in div 4 this year, again great football county with great clubs, Portlaoise is the fastest growing town in Ireland, laois need to take advantage of that
Wicklow with such big pop, location and strong ecomony, should be doing better. There r strong club structiues in the county and Wicklow is a county with huge potential if leinster council prioritised it.
Louth are another county with great GAA people , strong clubs, another county that could be prioritised.
I dont really know, but at the moment I dont see Meath kildare Laois Westmeath roaring back. Dublin will be beaten in leisnter in the next 3 to 4 years, sooner then you think. But it will probaly be like 2010 , they will lose one year the Dubs but come back with a 8 in a row leinster title .
Outside the provience so many other counties are in decline eg Cork Down Derry Armagh. It will be probaly left to you guys in Kerry to knock Dublin from their perch. And with your minor winning teams and Jack O Connor to come back to senior management you can see kerry winning multiple All Irelands in the 2020s. Thats the genius of kerry football.
Its not that you win All Irelands, it when you are knocked down , you always come back. Down were beating kerry in the 60s, people said kerry were finished. Kerry finished the decade with a two in a row. Cork won Sam in 73 with great style, people said Cork would dominate for years. Kerry won 8 All Irelands in the following 11 years. Kerry had a bad period in 90s but under Paudi but you came roaring back. When Meath Armagh Tyrone defeated kerry in early 00s. Again people were saying kerry were in trouble. Yet Kerry would win 4 more All irelands by the end of the decade. Again 2014 was an example of kerry proving everyone you cannot the kingdom off.
So it will be up to Kerry and as Colm O Rourke said there are 3 certain things in life death, paying taxes and kerry winning All Irelands in September. Kerry will do the business in the coming years. For the rest of us there is no easy way out and very little light at the end of the tunnell." Good Article Furlong.
Teams in Leinster have to plan towards winning in Leinster, and displacing Dublin. It will take a little while but belief is important. Dublin will lose in the province eventually.
The teams with potential to win Leinster at present are Kildare and Meath, Offaly have fallen down the rankings. They did contest a Leinster U-21 final last year, losing to Dublin. The problem is we do not have enough quality players at present to mount a realistic challenge.
thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1741 - 10/05/2018 12:47:06
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Replying To Furlong1949: "Thanks KingdomBoy1,
Its very complicated, Its not Dublins fault, they have a golden generation, brillant managers and army of volunteer works doing massive work at underage level. Dublin are going to continue being superstrong. For the rest in leinster theyre needs to be vision theyre needs to be a plan for the whole provience, like Costello had for Dublin in mid 00s. I would place or appoint someone like Costello in charge of leinster football and set out a plan so the whole provience is lifted up . I doubt he will leave Dublin.
Meath and kildare need to tap into population growth, The fact is which will surprise people the population growth in both counties has had no positives on GAA for Meath or kildare. Most of the newcomers are Dubs who support Dublin and want their kids to play for Dublin. So Meath and kildare r becoming football nurserys for Dublin. Meath and kildare need to put in a plan to engage with the newcomers to the county, to make them want to play for Meath and kildare.
More should be done with Offaly. Such a great tradition and its shame where they are.
Laois shouldnt be in div 4 this year, again great football county with great clubs, Portlaoise is the fastest growing town in Ireland, laois need to take advantage of that
Wicklow with such big pop, location and strong ecomony, should be doing better. There r strong club structiues in the county and Wicklow is a county with huge potential if leinster council prioritised it.
Louth are another county with great GAA people , strong clubs, another county that could be prioritised.
I dont really know, but at the moment I dont see Meath kildare Laois Westmeath roaring back. Dublin will be beaten in leisnter in the next 3 to 4 years, sooner then you think. But it will probaly be like 2010 , they will lose one year the Dubs but come back with a 8 in a row leinster title .
Outside the provience so many other counties are in decline eg Cork Down Derry Armagh. It will be probaly left to you guys in Kerry to knock Dublin from their perch. And with your minor winning teams and Jack O Connor to come back to senior management you can see kerry winning multiple All Irelands in the 2020s. Thats the genius of kerry football.
Its not that you win All Irelands, it when you are knocked down , you always come back. Down were beating kerry in the 60s, people said kerry were finished. Kerry finished the decade with a two in a row. Cork won Sam in 73 with great style, people said Cork would dominate for years. Kerry won 8 All Irelands in the following 11 years. Kerry had a bad period in 90s but under Paudi but you came roaring back. When Meath Armagh Tyrone defeated kerry in early 00s. Again people were saying kerry were in trouble. Yet Kerry would win 4 more All irelands by the end of the decade. Again 2014 was an example of kerry proving everyone you cannot the kingdom off.
So it will be up to Kerry and as Colm O Rourke said there are 3 certain things in life death, paying taxes and kerry winning All Irelands in September. Kerry will do the business in the coming years. For the rest of us there is no easy way out and very little light at the end of the tunnell." Louth are a Soccer County always will be and always have been. Dundalk and Drogheda both have far more youngsters playing soccer than GAA.
In Dundalk alone my local Soccer club has 3 teams at U-12 level (15 players per squad) The Gaelic team beside them struggles to get numbers for a game at U-12 level.
It is only going to get worse when Soccer goes summer season
DundalkGael (Louth) - Posts: 892 - 10/05/2018 13:04:48
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Meath and kildare need to tap into population growth, The fact is which will surprise people the population growth in both counties has had no positives on GAA for Meath or kildare. Most of the newcomers are Dubs who support Dublin and want their kids to play for Dublin. So Meath and kildare r becoming football nurserys for Dublin. Meath and kildare need to put in a plan to engage with the newcomers to the county, to make them want to play for Meath and kildare.
Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 343 - 10/05/2018 00:01:43
But there is no reason in the world why the population growth in Kildare and Meath shouldn't have been a positive.
Totally disagree that Meath and Kildare are becoming nurseries for Dublin football as there is no evidence to back that up. Perhaps the odd player here and there is going across the county bounds for football but they are a tiny fraction of the boost in numbers in both counties.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 10/05/2018 15:24:51
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