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Replying To jimbodub:  "Separate Church from State

No issue what you want to do on a Sunday

But in no way should your church be making social policies with its sickening track record"
Yeh cos we'd be better off using people who think that people with Down's syndrome should be eradicated,as our society's moral arbiters, rather than people who genuinely believe in a higher calling and who have given their whole lives in the service of others,which is exactly what most members of religious orders have done with the lives given them.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 24/04/2018 20:27:54    2094827

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Replying To Thomas Clarke:  "Nobody on here is saying that GAA members can't be politically active, or can't hold political opinions.

What's not ok is for people to use the name of the GAA, or their positions within the GAA, to campaign actively for a political cause. Mickey is doing this in the LoveBoth video, and he's bang out of order for doing so."
He's not bang out of order. He's only out of order with those that disagree with him and Joe Sheridan and the others involved. Believe it or not there are people everywhere that sometimes disagree with the opinions of others. There are people who disagree that the organs of people who have passed away should not be used to keep others alive. Should the Gaa now tell all the clubs who have endorsed the " opt for life" movement to remove these logos from their jerseys? Aren't these clubs endorsing a particular social and political stand point? I agree with organ donation so you'd be preaching to the choir with me on that one. My point is they are endorsing a particular social and political cause and none of Ye on here have ever once,at least to my knowledge,argued that they should desist from their efforts. It's only a problem for Ye all when you disagree with the argument then Ye want to censor everybody and have them shut down.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 24/04/2018 20:39:52    2094829

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Replying To seanie_boy:  "Yeh cos we'd be better off using people who think that people with Down's syndrome should be eradicated,as our society's moral arbiters, rather than people who genuinely believe in a higher calling and who have given their whole lives in the service of others,which is exactly what most members of religious orders have done with the lives given them."
Its very very hard to determine if a developing baby has DS before 12 weeks, so there's will be quite a small % of early detections

There will still be babies born with DS in Ireland. So seriously, wise up.

It will be genetic engineering 20 years from now that will be the real reason for what you're suggesting

Not this current referendum

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 24/04/2018 20:49:21    2094830

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Replying To seanie_boy:  "Yeh cos we'd be better off using people who think that people with Down's syndrome should be eradicated,as our society's moral arbiters, rather than people who genuinely believe in a higher calling and who have given their whole lives in the service of others,which is exactly what most members of religious orders have done with the lives given them."
What are you talking about? Who thinks people with down Syndrome should eradicated?

DannyMcA (Dublin) - Posts: 260 - 24/04/2018 21:02:43    2094835

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Its very very hard to determine if a developing baby has DS before 12 weeks, so there's will be quite a small % of early detections

There will still be babies born with DS in Ireland. So seriously, wise up.

It will be genetic engineering 20 years from now that will be the real reason for what you're suggesting

Not this current referendum"
The old wise up argument...fair enough. I'll put it to you that it's all the same slippery slope.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 24/04/2018 21:08:04    2094836

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Replying To seanie_boy:  "The old wise up argument...fair enough. I'll put it to you that it's all the same slippery slope."
Just educate yourself and don't be throwing stuff like that out and yes.. wise up.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 24/04/2018 21:14:08    2094837

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Replying To DannyMcA:  "What are you talking about? Who thinks people with down Syndrome should eradicated?"
It's the boast of the current government of Iceland,"and no doubt doubt many others in the "progressive" political community world wide think they are great for it. It's all on the oul www if Ye want to check it out. I'm only bringing it up to highlight that this is how these policies develop once the initial green light is given. That's just my thoughts on it. You do not have to agree with me by the way.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 24/04/2018 21:18:41    2094839

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Replying To seanie_boy:  "He's not bang out of order. He's only out of order with those that disagree with him and Joe Sheridan and the others involved. Believe it or not there are people everywhere that sometimes disagree with the opinions of others. There are people who disagree that the organs of people who have passed away should not be used to keep others alive. Should the Gaa now tell all the clubs who have endorsed the " opt for life" movement to remove these logos from their jerseys? Aren't these clubs endorsing a particular social and political stand point? I agree with organ donation so you'd be preaching to the choir with me on that one. My point is they are endorsing a particular social and political cause and none of Ye on here have ever once,at least to my knowledge,argued that they should desist from their efforts. It's only a problem for Ye all when you disagree with the argument then Ye want to censor everybody and have them shut down."
He is out of order. He is abusing his position as Tyrone County Manager to promote a campaign.

He isn't campaigning as 'Mickey Harte, Retired Teacher', or 'Mickey Harte, Concerned Observer'. He is campaigning under the title of 'Mickey Harte, Tyrone County Manager'.

Mickey does not represent the social/political views of all Tyrone Gaels, nor was he appointed into the role of Snr Team Mgr to speak for Tyrone Gaels on any matter other than football.

Whether people agree with him or disagree with him is not the point. He has overstepped the mark in using that title in the video, and the County Board should be taking action on this.

Thomas Clarke (Tyrone) - Posts: 1002 - 24/04/2018 21:41:26    2094843

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Just educate yourself and don't be throwing stuff like that out and yes.. wise up."
Educate myself on what? On the topic we're discussing I'm fairly well informed and my opinions are as valid as yours are Jim. I'm not throwing anything out that isn't true. Maybe you might want to be a bit more well informed yourself of the ramifications of these types of governmental policies before you espouse your support for them. Regardless of any religious beliefs it's hardly an indication of progress,or even decency,that we choose to permit the killing of unborn children. Where's the virtue in anything like that? If this results in a change to the constitution can we fully expect the organizers and advocates of change in the Yes camp to immediately initiate a campaign to reinstate capital punishment for those found guilty of murder and other such heinous crimes? You'd surely be behind that campaign,right? I mean if it's ok to kill the undoubtedly innocent then it's surely ok to get rid of the truly wicked amongst us. Plus they're just being clothed and fed at the tax payers expense and in the new Ireland that money might be needed to cover the costs of these new procedures that will be being utilized. Just a thought. I'm against the death penalty in principle myself by the way,just incase you were wondering.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 24/04/2018 21:47:01    2094844

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Replying To Thomas Clarke:  "He is out of order. He is abusing his position as Tyrone County Manager to promote a campaign.

He isn't campaigning as 'Mickey Harte, Retired Teacher', or 'Mickey Harte, Concerned Observer'. He is campaigning under the title of 'Mickey Harte, Tyrone County Manager'.

Mickey does not represent the social/political views of all Tyrone Gaels, nor was he appointed into the role of Snr Team Mgr to speak for Tyrone Gaels on any matter other than football.

Whether people agree with him or disagree with him is not the point. He has overstepped the mark in using that title in the video, and the County Board should be taking action on this."
My MP,assembly members and others do not on every occasion represent my views in every thing they say and do. I don't get to make a song and dance about it when I don't agree. It's called having a differing opinion. As I already asked,and to which none of Ye have replied,should all the clubs around the country desist from endorsing the "opt for life" movement by wearing the logo on their jerseys etc? You can't have it both ways lads.Some of Ye will no doubt be unsble to grasp the the contradictions inherent in your stances on these matters. That's not my fault though,that's on yerselves.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 24/04/2018 21:54:44    2094846

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Replying To seanie_boy:  "He's not bang out of order. He's only out of order with those that disagree with him and Joe Sheridan and the others involved. Believe it or not there are people everywhere that sometimes disagree with the opinions of others. There are people who disagree that the organs of people who have passed away should not be used to keep others alive. Should the Gaa now tell all the clubs who have endorsed the " opt for life" movement to remove these logos from their jerseys? Aren't these clubs endorsing a particular social and political stand point? I agree with organ donation so you'd be preaching to the choir with me on that one. My point is they are endorsing a particular social and political cause and none of Ye on here have ever once,at least to my knowledge,argued that they should desist from their efforts. It's only a problem for Ye all when you disagree with the argument then Ye want to censor everybody and have them shut down."
Your absolutely bang on. Let people express they're freedom of opinion in a respectable manner. This is only an issue because some people cannot deal with an opinion they don't agree with.

salvador (Roscommon) - Posts: 439 - 24/04/2018 21:57:24    2094847

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Replying To seanie_boy:  "My MP,assembly members and others do not on every occasion represent my views in every thing they say and do. I don't get to make a song and dance about it when I don't agree. It's called having a differing opinion. As I already asked,and to which none of Ye have replied,should all the clubs around the country desist from endorsing the "opt for life" movement by wearing the logo on their jerseys etc? You can't have it both ways lads.Some of Ye will no doubt be unsble to grasp the the contradictions inherent in your stances on these matters. That's not my fault though,that's on yerselves."
**False equivalence alert**

There are no GAA clubs with political logos promoting any current constitutional amendments on their jerseys.

Morty (Westmeath) - Posts: 209 - 24/04/2018 22:20:38    2094853

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Yeah but that was just common sense..

Landslide victory.. well in most places"
Ehhhh no it wasnt a landslide,get your facts right

preddan (Kildare) - Posts: 735 - 24/04/2018 22:26:30    2094855

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Replying To preddan:  "Ehhhh no it wasnt a landslide,get your facts right"
Ahh come on it was a convincing victory as referendum percentages go..

Sure tbh

I was only setting up a dodgy gag...

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 24/04/2018 22:35:42    2094860

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Replying To Morty:  "**False equivalence alert**

There are no GAA clubs with political logos promoting any current constitutional amendments on their jerseys."
Not withstanding that the point I initially made stands alone and is valid,I do believe the Gaa at least gave tacit support to the Good FridayAgreement which resulted in a constitutional amendment to remove any territorial claim to the north.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 24/04/2018 22:42:50    2094862

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Replying To Morty:  "**False equivalence alert**

There are no GAA clubs with political logos promoting any current constitutional amendments on their jerseys."
There are loads of Gaa clubs named after saints and dead Irish rebels though and they carry logos to depict such associations. Should we go after those clubs now too?

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 24/04/2018 22:45:58    2094864

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Replying To preddan:  "Ehhhh no it wasnt a landslide,get your facts right"
62% to 37%

That's a very convincing victory

No?

Just one constituency voted no..

Yeah it was reaaally close..

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 24/04/2018 22:55:33    2094868

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Replying To seanie_boy:  "Educate myself on what? On the topic we're discussing I'm fairly well informed and my opinions are as valid as yours are Jim. I'm not throwing anything out that isn't true. Maybe you might want to be a bit more well informed yourself of the ramifications of these types of governmental policies before you espouse your support for them. Regardless of any religious beliefs it's hardly an indication of progress,or even decency,that we choose to permit the killing of unborn children. Where's the virtue in anything like that? If this results in a change to the constitution can we fully expect the organizers and advocates of change in the Yes camp to immediately initiate a campaign to reinstate capital punishment for those found guilty of murder and other such heinous crimes? You'd surely be behind that campaign,right? I mean if it's ok to kill the undoubtedly innocent then it's surely ok to get rid of the truly wicked amongst us. Plus they're just being clothed and fed at the tax payers expense and in the new Ireland that money might be needed to cover the costs of these new procedures that will be being utilized. Just a thought. I'm against the death penalty in principle myself by the way,just incase you were wondering."
Your opinions on DS children are not valid.

Not even close.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 24/04/2018 22:57:06    2094869

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Your opinions on DS children are not valid.

Not even close."
It is valid in the context that I was referencing it. About the Icelandic efforts etc but sure just take what Ye want to hear Jim and run with that.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 24/04/2018 23:14:32    2094872

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Replying To jimbodub:  "62% to 37%

That's a very convincing victory

No?

Just one constituency voted no..

Yeah it was reaaally close.."
Almost 4 in 10 people on average voted against it all the same considering every organization,every politician endorsed it plus the media and funds available was massive. This is a whole lot different this one....

preddan (Kildare) - Posts: 735 - 24/04/2018 23:21:30    2094873

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