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Replying To Pinkie:  "What a brilliant post.....made look ordinary in an U21 final well they looked far from ordinary on Sunday!
TJ Reid was unmarkable on Sunday, he is a great man at winning frees (which I sometimes think are dubious ones) but to call him "zero pace" is laughable. But Tipp had no answer to him and if Kilkenny are to win an All-Ireland, TJ will do what Shefflin used to do, i.e. drag them by the scruff of the neck.
You see, Kilkenny put little or no creedence on U21 finals and the like. If they win them great, throw the cup in the boot, if not they will get the usual 2-3 players off them so it doesn't matter.
Fill us in on what basis you are putting them behind Waterford and by the same logic, if there are 6 of these lads who looked "ordinary" v Limerick would you not put them behind them too?"
Well Pinkie. I was at that match and several other U21 Finals Kilkenny were playing in and I never felt they were not trying to win. They have four U21 All Irelands since 2000 at this level, while no other Leinster county has even won one, so they must be showing some interest in winning them. I'd also remind you that Galway beat Tipp far more comprehensively in last years league final and they only won the All Ireland Semi Final by a last minute point. As I said above All Irelands are not won in April.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 1543 - 10/04/2018 18:43:48    2092200

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Replying To kiloughter:  "I don't know Peggy about the Tipp mental block. They are the only ones to have beaten the Cats in recent years when it really matters I.e. the all Ireland final. Tipp seem to get KK more than most in big matches. Anyway on the thread class player and KK are back even if they were never really gone away."
I thought Waterford beat them last and knocked them out of the championship in the process only last year or does that not 'really matter' and Wexford knocked them out of the Leinster Championship last year.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 1543 - 10/04/2018 18:46:18    2092201

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Simple message. All Irelands are not won in April. Clare Waterford, Dublin, Cork (98), Offaly (91) and Limerick, on more occasions than one, have all won National Leagues handsomely and performed very averagely in the championship"
I never said all-irelands were. But that Limerick poster, Peggy, is going on about how to beat Kilkenny and how to run at them. It's a bit rich given Limerick's efforts in September. 1994, thrown away, 1996 a poor all ireland to be won, beyond ye, 2007, got excited after beating Waterford in the semi. Beat Kilkenny in 1973 and 5 of the best Kilkenny players were missing.

TJ Reid's pace.. very difficult to judge pace but he's a strong man with a big stride. And as for All Irelands not being given out in April, yes you would know.

But we're going to be subjected to a lot of rubbish about the Limerick U21 hurlers when history shows you can't win anything in Senior with them bar a few Munsters and a league in 1992. 2000-2002, zilch. Give me the Kilkenny template anyday. That Peggy lady from your county was needlessly dismissive of Kilkenny. And it was very rich coming from her. And also talking about Clare as if they were the hurling Harlem Globetrotters. Give us a break. Another underachieving team. Kilkenny have won 2 all-irelands with an average team since they won one.

fantababy (Meath) - Posts: 15 - 10/04/2018 21:55:08    2092234

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Replying To fantababy:  "Kilkenny may have had 6 players playing who lost an All-Ireland U21 to Limerick but now they have a senior National Title. While Limerick with 2 great sets of U21 players failed to beat Tipperary in the league semi. Oh the young lads are coming on etc, excuses.

Seeing as you have the template to beat Kilkenny how come you have no all-ireland senior title since 1973? Kilkenny have won 17 since. Don't get cocky about U21 titles. They mean nothing. Out of the Limerick 3 in a row U21 sides, 200-2002 you got to one senior final in 2007. Over after 10 min.

And why are you putting up Clare to be a beacon of greatness? Since 2013 they have made no use of their underage talent.

Mental block, Tipperary!! Tipp are a great county who constantly put up to Kilkenny."
Here we go..all of Leinster jumping up to protect kilkenny. An All Ireland under 21 is worth more than a League title. 1 All Ireland Senior 2 Munster Championship 3 Leinster Championship 4 All Ireland under 21 5 League title.
It's fairly well known not to puck high ball down on Kilkenny backs but it's easier said than done when put under pressure.
Finally you're from Meath, most tourists and foreign visitors to Ireland don't even know it exists.. It doesn't exist in a hurling context.

PeggyShippen (Limerick) - Posts: 300 - 10/04/2018 22:14:45    2092237

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Thought this was a post on TJ Reid now it's turned into a debate on the championship!!

WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1517 - 10/04/2018 22:22:05    2092240

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Replying To PeggyShippen:  "Here we go..all of Leinster jumping up to protect kilkenny. An All Ireland under 21 is worth more than a League title. 1 All Ireland Senior 2 Munster Championship 3 Leinster Championship 4 All Ireland under 21 5 League title.
It's fairly well known not to puck high ball down on Kilkenny backs but it's easier said than done when put under pressure.
Finally you're from Meath, most tourists and foreign visitors to Ireland don't even know it exists.. It doesn't exist in a hurling context."
An all-ireland U21 title is of no value when it's not followed up at senior level. It's UNDER AGE hurling! Not adult. Limerick have a history of wasting talent. It's not funny at this stage. Can you tell me off the top of your head who won the 2007 U21 All-Ire? But you can remember who won the Senior one.

I may be a Kilkenny man living in Meath. Meath 7 All Irelands in football. And it very much exists as a hurling entity. At least it doesn't have notions above it's station with a few underage titles in hurling.

Peggy telling us all how to beat Kilkenny, berating Tipp, whom you lost to in a semi, you couldn't make it up!

KK 4/1 with Paddy Power to win the AI, Limerick 10/1. Why? Because one county has a tradition of winning Senior All-Irelands, 16 since 1973. And the other hasn't won one since. Who would you put the mortgage on Peggy?

fantababy (Meath) - Posts: 15 - 10/04/2018 23:05:05    2092246

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Replying To PeggyShippen:  "Here we go..all of Leinster jumping up to protect kilkenny. An All Ireland under 21 is worth more than a League title. 1 All Ireland Senior 2 Munster Championship 3 Leinster Championship 4 All Ireland under 21 5 League title.
It's fairly well known not to puck high ball down on Kilkenny backs but it's easier said than done when put under pressure.
Finally you're from Meath, most tourists and foreign visitors to Ireland don't even know it exists.. It doesn't exist in a hurling context."
Munster Championship ahead of Leinster! Peggy your bias knows no bounds and is silly.

For most of the period from the 1980s to 2010s the classier hurling was played in Leinster. Munster was an over hyped championship living on the glories of the 1940s to 60s. Since 2006 only 3 Munster teams have won all-irelands. 3 out of 12 is a pretty poor record for you to be putting a Munster medal ahead of a Leinster one.

If Limerick had at least one All Ireland won you might have some basis for an argument on how to take on Kilkenny but when you have no wins in adult hurling you can't be taken seriously like Tipperary who have won all-irelands in 2010 and 2016.

It's a harsh term but you are underachievers.I'm tired looking at Seamus Hickey's furrowed brow as another year slips by and he gives an emotional interview for the Sunday Game. A career that begun with such promise as a 19 year old in 2007 is now in the last lap of a crusade for a celtic cross.

I have nothing against Limerick and would love to see them win a Senior. But you've got to EARN it and forget the hard luck stories, forget baskink in U21 all-irelands which are past and mean nothing. Forget Na Piarsiagh, the U21's and focus on the now and you might win something.

Your mentality is one of a puffed up feeling of how good we are, i can tell you how to beat Kilkenny. That's all irrelevant to getting Limerick to win a Senior All-Ire. It's time you demanded more of yourselves.

fantababy (Meath) - Posts: 15 - 10/04/2018 23:23:39    2092248

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Replying To WildPundit:  "Thought this was a post on TJ Reid now it's turned into a debate on the championship!!"
Wildpundit you are right,just to say to certain posters that we dont need anyone to defend us,also we are not saying we are going to win an AI this year,most of the hurling men I speak to and I am in agreement with them is that Tipp and Gaiway are most likely to win the AI,as for the topic,T J at the moment is one of the best hurlers in the country,

mooncat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 420 - 10/04/2018 23:34:29    2092249

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"TJ Reid has zero pace".......oh dear

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 626 - 11/04/2018 07:18:06    2092268

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Replying To mooncat:  "Wildpundit you are right,just to say to certain posters that we dont need anyone to defend us,also we are not saying we are going to win an AI this year,most of the hurling men I speak to and I am in agreement with them is that Tipp and Gaiway are most likely to win the AI,as for the topic,T J at the moment is one of the best hurlers in the country,"
Agree at present TJ Reid the best hurler in the country. Come champions he will be tightly marked then it will be up to his team mates to stand up.
I was very disappointed with the tip performances , and i would question their ability to win All Ireland this year, though they were as bad against Galway in last year's leauge final yet come championship only a JC magical point separated them.
This was a bad leauge for the 4 semi-finalist of last year's all Ireland.

Galway never at the pace
Wexford relegate
Cork were in relegation battles
Tip another poor performance in final

heartbroken (Galway) - Posts: 214 - 11/04/2018 07:34:52    2092270

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Replying To mooncat:  "Wildpundit you are right,just to say to certain posters that we dont need anyone to defend us,also we are not saying we are going to win an AI this year,most of the hurling men I speak to and I am in agreement with them is that Tipp and Gaiway are most likely to win the AI,as for the topic,T J at the moment is one of the best hurlers in the country,"
Agree at present TJ Reid the best hurler in the country. Come champions he will be tightly marked then it will be up to his team mates to stand up.
I was very disappointed with the tip performances , and i would question their ability to win All Ireland this year, though they were as bad against Galway in last year's leauge final yet come championship only a JC magical point separated them.
This was a bad leauge for the 4 semi-finalist of last year's all Ireland.

Galway never at the pace
Waterford relegate
Cork were in relegation battles
Tip another poor performance in final

heartbroken (Galway) - Posts: 214 - 11/04/2018 07:38:33    2092272

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Simple message. All Irelands are not won in April. Clare Waterford, Dublin, Cork (98), Offaly (91) and Limerick, on more occasions than one, have all won National Leagues handsomely and performed very averagely in the championship"
League and All Ireland Double
2001 - Tipperary
2002 - Kilkenny
2003 - Kilkenny
2006 - Kilkenny
2009 - Kilkenny
2012 - Kilkenny
2014 - Kilkenny
2017 - Galway

It happens more often than you might think.

Faithfull (Offaly) - Posts: 499 - 11/04/2018 10:31:01    2092294

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Simple message. All Irelands are not won in April. Clare Waterford, Dublin, Cork (98), Offaly (91) and Limerick, on more occasions than one, have all won National Leagues handsomely and performed very averagely in the championship"
Your argument is very much weakened by putting Dublin in that pot. They won the league in 2011 and reached their first All-Ireland semi final in 50 years later that year, losing to the current All Ireland champions by a creditable four points.

I would say Dublin performed way above their average that year.

Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - Posts: 376 - 11/04/2018 10:32:51    2092296

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Replying To PeggyShippen:  "Here we go..all of Leinster jumping up to protect kilkenny. An All Ireland under 21 is worth more than a League title. 1 All Ireland Senior 2 Munster Championship 3 Leinster Championship 4 All Ireland under 21 5 League title.
It's fairly well known not to puck high ball down on Kilkenny backs but it's easier said than done when put under pressure.
Finally you're from Meath, most tourists and foreign visitors to Ireland don't even know it exists.. It doesn't exist in a hurling context."
Finally you're from Meath, most tourists and foreign visitors to Ireland don't even know it exists..

What has this got to do with the merits of TJ Reid? To call the statement childish does children a disservice.

fantababy (Meath) - Posts: 15 - 11/04/2018 12:32:22    2092329

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Replying To PeggyShippen:  "Here we go..all of Leinster jumping up to protect kilkenny. An All Ireland under 21 is worth more than a League title. 1 All Ireland Senior 2 Munster Championship 3 Leinster Championship 4 All Ireland under 21 5 League title.
It's fairly well known not to puck high ball down on Kilkenny backs but it's easier said than done when put under pressure.
Finally you're from Meath, most tourists and foreign visitors to Ireland don't even know it exists.. It doesn't exist in a hurling context."
Finally you're from Meath, most tourists and foreign visitors to Ireland don't even know it exists..

What has this got to do with the merits of TJ Reid? To call the statement childish does children a disservice.

fantababy (Meath) - Posts: 15 - 11/04/2018 12:38:23    2092332

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "I thought Waterford beat them last and knocked them out of the championship in the process only last year or does that not 'really matter' and Wexford knocked them out of the Leinster Championship last year."
Not at all. Think you missed my point. Those wins were notable no doubt. My point is that suggesting Tipp have a mental block is off the mark given that all counties it could be said would have had a mental block against KK since Cody took over.

kiloughter (Galway) - Posts: 1292 - 11/04/2018 14:21:48    2092378

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Replying To heartbroken:  "Agree at present TJ Reid the best hurler in the country. Come champions he will be tightly marked then it will be up to his team mates to stand up.
I was very disappointed with the tip performances , and i would question their ability to win All Ireland this year, though they were as bad against Galway in last year's leauge final yet come championship only a JC magical point separated them.
This was a bad leauge for the 4 semi-finalist of last year's all Ireland.

Galway never at the pace
Waterford relegate
Cork were in relegation battles
Tip another poor performance in final"
It was a bad league all around in my opinion...quality wise. When you say "Tipp another poor performance in a final" - are you saying in general or just because of last year?
Tipps performances in finals for the last number of years have been mostly almost exceptional (apart from last years league). People dont remember losers too often but I think most will agree that Tipp have put in huge performances in finals since 09....so I think that comment is harsh at best.
Also over the years I believe we have a far higher win percentage at all levels in hurling than most counties (granted we have lost a lot of leagues recently)

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 2422 - 11/04/2018 14:32:48    2092384

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Replying To PeggyShippen:  "Here we go..all of Leinster jumping up to protect kilkenny. An All Ireland under 21 is worth more than a League title. 1 All Ireland Senior 2 Munster Championship 3 Leinster Championship 4 All Ireland under 21 5 League title.
It's fairly well known not to puck high ball down on Kilkenny backs but it's easier said than done when put under pressure.
Finally you're from Meath, most tourists and foreign visitors to Ireland don't even know it exists.. It doesn't exist in a hurling context."
A lot of your points are valid but leave out the ludicrous stuff!
Persoanlly I don't think KK are serious contenders this year yet as you said. I do think Waterford are a team that regularly comes in under the radar and expect them to at least to be in a semi again this year.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 2422 - 11/04/2018 14:37:02    2092386

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TJ is playing at a very high level at the minute and will be a vital cog in Kk side if they are to win an AI again soon. Super skilll and great team player.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 571 - 11/04/2018 15:11:33    2092393

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Replying To Pinkie:  "What a brilliant post.....made look ordinary in an U21 final well they looked far from ordinary on Sunday!
TJ Reid was unmarkable on Sunday, he is a great man at winning frees (which I sometimes think are dubious ones) but to call him "zero pace" is laughable. But Tipp had no answer to him and if Kilkenny are to win an All-Ireland, TJ will do what Shefflin used to do, i.e. drag them by the scruff of the neck.
You see, Kilkenny put little or no creedence on U21 finals and the like. If they win them great, throw the cup in the boot, if not they will get the usual 2-3 players off them so it doesn't matter.
Fill us in on what basis you are putting them behind Waterford and by the same logic, if there are 6 of these lads who looked "ordinary" v Limerick would you not put them behind them too?"
Don't hold your breath waiting for insightful analysis from that source.
TJ Reid =zero pace Classic

Westfester (Limerick) - Posts: 679 - 11/04/2018 15:46:02    2092405

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