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Replying To Donegalman:  "The dominance will be broken, by their shadow.

Kerry have won 4 of the last minor titles. Dublin have won 4 of the last 8 u21s. So there is your yardstick by which you can measure the future of the championship."
The Clare and Limerick hurlers would be another take on that.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 612 - 04/04/2018 14:07:12    2091018

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Is it possible for example to have Galway and Monaghan (if both lose first round) play off for a place in the super eight's at some point.
If so it shows the unfair nature of it especially if two weaker teams could end up playing off for a place in the super eight's. There Is no seedings or balance.

Championship should exclusively relate to league standings and be played off from there. It's the fairest way. Only money and politics are keeping the outdated provincial championship's going.

salvador (Roscommon) - Posts: 439 - 04/04/2018 14:28:42    2091030

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Replying To salvador:  "Is it possible for example to have Galway and Monaghan (if both lose first round) play off for a place in the super eight's at some point.
If so it shows the unfair nature of it especially if two weaker teams could end up playing off for a place in the super eight's. There Is no seedings or balance.

Championship should exclusively relate to league standings and be played off from there. It's the fairest way. Only money and politics are keeping the outdated provincial championship's going."
There should be no seeding in provincials nor the back door, or there should be both seeding in provincials and the back door. Not a mixture of the 2. It is up to provincial councils to step up to this, or Croke park to make the decisions for the councils.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3385 - 04/04/2018 15:07:52    2091045

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Replying To dec:  "boring football championship ahead, hand out the sam to dublin and get it over with, at least we have the soccer world cup"
Don't bother watching so and stick with your World Cup

dubarra (Wicklow) - Posts: 345 - 04/04/2018 16:02:03    2091067

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Replying To dubarra:  "Don't bother watching so and stick with your World Cup"
the only ones i would have interest in watching would be connaught to see who out of mayo-galway or roscommon can come out of it at least there is a bit of competition within connaught, Ulster to a lesser extent because in all likely hood it will be tyrone and plus the football is so negative to watch. leinster and munster are a waste of time. and in terms of the sam it is Dublin's even if they only play in second gear!! but as i say i will have the world cup to watch !!

dec (None) - Posts: 205 - 04/04/2018 16:35:02    2091078

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Replying To dec:  "the only ones i would have interest in watching would be connaught to see who out of mayo-galway or roscommon can come out of it at least there is a bit of competition within connaught, Ulster to a lesser extent because in all likely hood it will be tyrone and plus the football is so negative to watch. leinster and munster are a waste of time. and in terms of the sam it is Dublin's even if they only play in second gear!! but as i say i will have the world cup to watch !!"
I predict monaghan and Tyrone to draw.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3385 - 04/04/2018 17:05:16    2091093

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Replying To dec:  "the only ones i would have interest in watching would be connaught to see who out of mayo-galway or roscommon can come out of it at least there is a bit of competition within connaught, Ulster to a lesser extent because in all likely hood it will be tyrone and plus the football is so negative to watch. leinster and munster are a waste of time. and in terms of the sam it is Dublin's even if they only play in second gear!! but as i say i will have the world cup to watch !!"
You want to watch good football so you think International soccer will give you your fix? Bunch of millionaires not giving a rats arse

Mostly filler until semifinals

Wishful thinking

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 18699 - 04/04/2018 22:12:06    2091158

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The Last time there was a new structure put in place for the football championship was the introduction of the Back door in 2001.

Galway Said they would see what the fuss was about and slid in the back door and all the way up the steps of the Hogan. (in fact the presentation was on the pitch that year)

super 8s introduced this year........ Just sayin.

TribalThing (Galway) - Posts: 67 - 05/04/2018 15:29:08    2091266

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For me , not that it's likely to happen due to provincial championship traditions, would be two tiered league competition with home and away fixtures. Game every week. Top team on points wins. Bottom two go down. Top two in division. 2 go up. Less training , more games for players.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 1807 - 11/04/2018 08:09:12    2092275

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Replying To Dubh_linn:  "For me , not that it's likely to happen due to provincial championship traditions, would be two tiered league competition with home and away fixtures. Game every week. Top team on points wins. Bottom two go down. Top two in division. 2 go up. Less training , more games for players."
Also gives teams like Clare, cork, Meath etc the chance to play dubs, Kerry mayo, Tyrone. Twice this would aide in getting much needed competition against the top teams. A good idea, then the top 16 play off for Sam ?

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 13933 - 11/04/2018 10:18:37    2092291

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Replying To dec:  "the only ones i would have interest in watching would be connaught to see who out of mayo-galway or roscommon can come out of it at least there is a bit of competition within connaught, Ulster to a lesser extent because in all likely hood it will be tyrone and plus the football is so negative to watch. leinster and munster are a waste of time. and in terms of the sam it is Dublin's even if they only play in second gear!! but as i say i will have the world cup to watch !!"
I hate to break this to you bud, but we didn't qualify

Forpucksake (UK) - Posts: 74 - 11/04/2018 10:54:38    2092302

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Also gives teams like Clare, cork, Meath etc the chance to play dubs, Kerry mayo, Tyrone. Twice this would aide in getting much needed competition against the top teams. A good idea, then the top 16 play off for Sam ?"
Sam would always be the big prize, yes.
Players want more games not more training sessions and supporters get to enjoy those extra games week in week out.
Gaa benefit too.
What's the chances though ?

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 1807 - 11/04/2018 11:38:48    2092312

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Replying To jimbodub:  "You want to watch good football so you think International soccer will give you your fix? Bunch of millionaires not giving a rats arse

Mostly filler until semifinals

Wishful thinking"
I dont think this is applicable to the World Cup. International friendlies perhaps. Mismatches in early group stages - perhaps, but the result is still vitally important.

Pretty much sums up the way the GAA players would go about their business. Friendlies and mis match early rounds between teams from different divisions would probably not have to give it 100%, but they would care very much about the results.

Come knock out stages though, it wouldn't mater if you were from Monaghan or Dublin, the Ukraine or Spain, paid or unpaid, the feeling would be the same about winning or losing.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3385 - 11/04/2018 11:48:30    2092315

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The GAA will find it very hard to abandon the provincial championships. They are engrained in the organisations main competition structure and changing the mindset of the decision makers is a slow and arduous process at the best of times. This I think could be their main weakness.
They find it difficult to embrace change and haveing the main competition run as a league would be a huge step.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 612 - 11/04/2018 18:03:44    2092440

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Replying To catch22:  "The GAA will find it very hard to abandon the provincial championships. They are engrained in the organisations main competition structure and changing the mindset of the decision makers is a slow and arduous process at the best of times. This I think could be their main weakness.
They find it difficult to embrace change and haveing the main competition run as a league would be a huge step."
A provincial final appearance or a first round home win is all that some teams have to live for.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3385 - 11/04/2018 21:16:15    2092476

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