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The black card has to be forgotten about. Dramatic statement I know but if we are to accept the evidence from Croke Park today then the Black Card does not apply to Dublin as they could have got three (3) by the 10th min v Galway today. Don't tell me that they were not clear cut, with a lot of the minnows a hint of a black card is enough but not when Dublin are concerned. MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1062 - 01/04/2018 16:49:51 2089974 Link 9 |
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Then that means there's a problem with refereeing standards, not with the rule itself.
Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1029 - 01/04/2018 17:26:16 2089987 Link 1 |
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Both I'd say. Refs clearly not comfortable using a rule that's unclear and only addresses some aspects of cynical play. I'm not going to finger point at the dubs though, all teams are at it and I wish the GAA would get serious with it.
festinog (Galway) - Posts: 3097 - 01/04/2018 17:47:23 2090006 Link 0 |
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Ye it's a dead duck, I saw very little of todays game (I was watching the Leinster match) but I flicked over and saw Comer I think it was cutting in from the wing for Galway, a blue jersey rugby tackled him (this was in Croker now not the Aviva) and nothing, not even a yellow....I laughed and switched back. Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 01/04/2018 17:48:00 2090007 Link 2 |
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That was a clear black card incident . Anthony Nolan was very poor today . Dublin deserves to win . The depth of their panel is frightening .
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 01/04/2018 17:54:15 2090017 Link 0 |
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It was a very clear black card, but that's the trouble referees are afraid to give it, especially early in a game, but that makes a mockery of the rule, it either is or isn't a black card, the clock shouldn't matter. Ye the Dublin panel is brilliant, and it's still hard to see them beat this summer but then again, nothing is certain. Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 01/04/2018 18:38:04 2090068 Link 1 |
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You're right. The application of the rules are very consistent.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 01/04/2018 19:32:23 2090092 Link 0 |
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I agree, both philly and johnny should have got the line especially philly but over all the ref was poor today there was times when it was a clear foul and he let it play. mightydubs (Dublin) - Posts: 48 - 01/04/2018 20:01:35 2090110 Link 0 |
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It wasn't dead in the Roscommon v Cavan game.We had two players black carded.The second game showed up the usual lack of consistency in rule application in gaa matches. endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2160 - 01/04/2018 20:01:59 2090111 Link 0 |
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Top teams are allowed away with blatant fouls and cards. Lesser teams have decisions given against them regularly. David (Meath) - Posts: 567 - 01/04/2018 22:05:38 2090169 Link 0 |
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The game on TV, didn't show 40% of what was going on, anyone else who was at the game will know what I'm talking about. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 01/04/2018 22:49:26 2090192 Link 0 |
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A bit of balance would be nice. Comer rugby tackeled 3 times in the second half alone today, that was on top of he pulling Jonny Cooper on top of him in the first to simulate. He should have got a black. Kilkenny was rugby tackled on the Hogan stand near the end, stone wall black card. The fact is that there are so many incidents that the rule is only being applied ad-hocly, to do otherwise would see games ending 10 a side. Ironically Dublin ended with 14 men and Scully was hard done by, two soft yellows. So on the balance of it looking at the incidents during the match, Dublin were unlucky to be the only team to be short staffed at the end. Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 01/04/2018 23:05:28 2090199 Link 1 |
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The ref had no problem dishing out a black card to Fermanagh's Quigley in the second minute in yesterdays game (although it was a clear black card, but then so were some of the incidents todays D1 game)
neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 01/04/2018 23:06:04 2090201 Link 1 |
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The black card was brought in to punish cynical fouling, scrap it and use this simple ruling, a professional/cynical foul inside the 20m line is a straight red card, outside that line a yellow card, it's beyond time we had the use of video ref, clearly our 4 umpires, 2 linesmen and refs are letting things go, missing blatant fouls or just making the wrong calls, let the play continue but have a video person telling the ref that he made the wrong decision and correct it, there is an off the ball incident and who started it or who is involved etc. It doesn't have to delay the game but the video ref has to be quick with his call, you can't have play continuing for 3 or 4 mins before he tells the ref something that happened ages ago and go back riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 01/04/2018 23:42:07 2090212 Link 0 |
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I honestly thought Scully's second yellow was not justified. realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8589 - 02/04/2018 00:00:12 2090215 Link 2 |
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Agreed though he was unlucky, but others got away with murder in the game and forget about watching it on tv when you see it live how players ( and i blame linesmen for this ) our being dragged to the ground off the ball is shocking and nothing gets done if it means black carding 4/5 men from one team then so be it they will soon stop. Last years all ireland final in the last kickout was a farce all 6 forwards could and should have been black carded the gaa seems to be doing nothing about this. Refs need help from there linesmen its easy to blame the ref but he can't see everything.
Yourjoking (USA) - Posts: 704 - 02/04/2018 15:04:20 2090334 Link 0 |
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It wasn't. But they are the breaks to be honest it worked in Dublin favor. Thing with the black card i believe is that a dictate was passed on high as far as i can see in the middle of last summer, for refs to relax on dishing them out. They have certainly been less prominent. I am actually a fan of the black card, i think it needs good application and it also needs a stricter penalty that you cant bring a player on for ten mins following a black, as teams were deliberately picking them up as planned substitutions were coming into play any way. I think the level of cynicism of all counties, my own included has increased hugely from the middle of the championship onward last year. At this stage players know if its going to be a black card game or not. Yesterday was a perfect example, it was pretty clear in the first ten minutes yesterday that black cards weren't going to be given and both teams played the game as cynically as the other. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 02/04/2018 15:20:37 2090339 Link 0 |
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its one of them calls where he probably wouldn't have got the card if he was already on a yellow tbh
NaomhNaille (Donegal) - Posts: 124 - 02/04/2018 20:45:23 2090432 Link 1 |
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was not**
NaomhNaille (Donegal) - Posts: 124 - 02/04/2018 21:03:00 2090438 Link 0 |
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Wrong , two of the incident in the first 10mins were not black cards. Well maybe the first one with Cooper Comer should have been black carded. But he Philly fouled him, That's all it was as foul. The exaggeration in his movement was shocking . It thought at the time his movement aftet the challenege seemed unnatural, I have since seen it back and am convinced. Watch it back, he is fouled, But he tries to make a card out of it as he did with Cooper.
Marse (Dublin) - Posts: 217 - 02/04/2018 21:32:16 2090450 Link 0 |