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Why have League Finals?

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Replying To gotmilk:  "You should change the right part of your name to happy."
Love the logic

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1121 - 29/03/2018 18:50:58    2089403

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a bit like the champions league I always thought...the GAA will make more money and it sounds good that teams are in a "League Final" which was the case when the winners of the old Div 3 and 4 played quarter finals against the second placed teams in Div 1 & 2...Laois and Monaghan were the only lower tier success stories in my 40 year following the leagues..no doubt the modern day supporters will come on and say its great to see Carlow and Laois etc. getting to play in Croke Park and go up and get a cup..maybe so...but its their own League Division that they have already won or finished 2nd in they are playing in...wouldnt be in favour of it to be honest even though my own Offaly won a Div 3 final twice in last 10/12 years, but did it do anything for football in the county????...gave our County board and media scope to call the county team "National League Champions" etc...other than that..teams played strong teams to win the leagues back in times gone by, now its nearly half a different team each week with no consistency, beat the All Ireland champions this week with a strong team, loose to a lesser team by 10 points next week...League is not what it used to be at all...

Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 168 - 29/03/2018 23:56:31    2089455

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If you have a league that doesn't do home and away then a final is fair. Some teams will have one less home game than others and may lose to a rival away.

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1208 - 30/03/2018 09:42:29    2089486

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I've always thought that the home/away thing had nothing to do with anything regarding determining GAA positions or matters of promotion or relegation. County leagues up and down the country are (I'm sure) played over one round of games, and if the opposite is true anywhere, I'm sure it was instituted with nothing in mind about everyone having the same number of home games as away or getting a home and away game against each opponent. Besides, does home advantage really help a team? What percentage of games in this year's league was won by the home team? I don't know, but surely it's not anything as high as in soccer.

Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 457 - 01/04/2018 19:30:34    2090090

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http://www.hoganstand.com/Forum/Details/103208?Latest=1#Latest
Sorry to dredge up an old thread, but to answer myself, here's what I got:

Div 1 (Games: 28)
Home wins: 14 (50%)
Away wins: 12 (43%)
Draws: 2 (7%)


Div 2 (Games: 28)
Home wins: 13 (46%)
Away wins: 12 (43%)
Draws: 3 (11%)

Div 3 (Games: 28)
Home wins: 16 (57%)
Away wins: 9 (32%)
Draws: 3 (11%)

Div 4 (Games: 24; 4 games not played)
Home wins: 9 (37.5%)
Away wins: 12 (50%)
Draws: 3 (12.5%)

Overall:
Home wins: 52 (48%)
Away wins: 45 (42%)
Draws: 11 (10%)

I don't know what to make out of those figures; some wild variation between the divisions, evening out to a 48% success rate for home teams, with one in every ten games finishing level.

Interestingly, Armagh were the only team in the top three divisions to play three games at home an finish in the top 2. Carlow (three home games) and Laois (two home games and one cancelled home game) contented the Div 4 final.

Now to get out of here. It's Friday.

Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 457 - 13/04/2018 20:41:56    2092909

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I remember Monaghan playing Cork in a Div 2 final in 2009. It was 3 weeks away from our Championship match v Derry and the match had all the intensty of a bad training session. I was actually sitting next to a very fresh faced Drew Wylie in the Cusack Stand.
The only reason for finals for Div 1 and 2 is to make money. The only reason for Finals for Div 3 and 4 is for some players to get a chance to play in Croke Park. Attendances prove this.

FootblockREF (Monaghan) - Posts: 148 - 17/04/2018 13:52:01    2093547

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Replying To neverright:  "True, but it's another weekend taken up with inter-county matches that are unnecessary."
I'd argue that a (potentially) enjoyable spectacle for supporters between two teams who have earned the right to compete for silverware could not be considered "unnecessary". How often have we heard the argument that players want to play, not train? Well, here's another opportunity with something at stake.

Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - Posts: 341 - 18/04/2018 10:52:07    2093741

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Replying To Kurt_Angle:  "I'd argue that a (potentially) enjoyable spectacle for supporters between two teams who have earned the right to compete for silverware could not be considered "unnecessary". How often have we heard the argument that players want to play, not train? Well, here's another opportunity with something at stake."
Yes indeed, players want to play but a major problem facing GAA at the moment seems to be finding 'windows' when county players are available to play for their clubs.

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1121 - 18/04/2018 13:34:38    2093790

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Replying To neverright:  "Yes indeed, players want to play but a major problem facing GAA at the moment seems to be finding 'windows' when county players are available to play for their clubs."
Having league finals this year delayed 1/4 of counties from playing club games for one week. I don't think that's excessive and would be a weak argument for not having league finals.

Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - Posts: 341 - 18/04/2018 17:58:11    2093841

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They definitely don't need quarter-finals in Div 1A/B of the hurling league anyway.

Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 457 - 22/04/2018 03:17:35    2094256

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