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Replying To Malonemagic:  "If a second tier wouldn't work , then why the joy of qualifying from the 4th tier. The league is a super competition as it rewards progress and punishes failure. As a laois fan it's been my favourite competition for years. I just wish it was in the summer."
For the very reason you outline. The league is where you can make progress. The championship is the dream of a decent run, a day against the big boys, the colour ( we have that in abundance).
Looking forward to locking horns with Laois on Sunday, now that will be akin to a championship game given its importance to Laois joining us in Div3

Blackbog (Carlow) - Posts: 704 - 19/03/2018 09:57:37    2085664

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Replying To Blackbog:  "For the very reason you outline. The league is where you can make progress. The championship is the dream of a decent run, a day against the big boys, the colour ( we have that in abundance).
Looking forward to locking horns with Laois on Sunday, now that will be akin to a championship game given its importance to Laois joining us in Div3"
I see your point but also have to re emphasize that Carlow are buzzing because they've won something. The same way an intermediate club team celebrates. A second tier could be great if only the GAA did it properly.

Malonemagic (Laois) - Posts: 766 - 19/03/2018 15:46:02    2085858

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As a fan of a "weaker" county I am coming around to the idea of a tiered championship.

It would have to be done properly though and by that I mean league based.

My ideal would be a championship of 2 divisions of 16. Top 6 into the knockout stages in each. 3 up 3 down for promotion.

The reason it is better is not because it gives teams a chance at silverware but because it provides a top quality top tier championship which every team is only 1 year away from.

You look at this season's Carlow team. They'd be huge contenders for promotion from a 16 team division 2 and the price of getting 15 division 1 games the following season.

The league based championship would provide more games but still make it easier to arrange club fixtures as the schedule will be known in advance.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4217 - 19/03/2018 18:12:40    2085925

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Replying To Whammo86:  "As a fan of a "weaker" county I am coming around to the idea of a tiered championship.

It would have to be done properly though and by that I mean league based.

My ideal would be a championship of 2 divisions of 16. Top 6 into the knockout stages in each. 3 up 3 down for promotion.

The reason it is better is not because it gives teams a chance at silverware but because it provides a top quality top tier championship which every team is only 1 year away from.

You look at this season's Carlow team. They'd be huge contenders for promotion from a 16 team division 2 and the price of getting 15 division 1 games the following season.

The league based championship would provide more games but still make it easier to arrange club fixtures as the schedule will be known in advance."
you know Whammo there is something in your suggestion . The idea of progression is sound.
i still love the crack at the big boys as a motivation every summer.
it is different in Ulster you probably have 5 or 6 top 16 teams. Whereas in leinster you have 2 at best

so who would be top 16 this summer
1.Dublin
2.Mayo
3.Galway
4.Roscommon
5. Tyrone
6.Monaghan
7.Donegal
8.Armagh
9. Cavan
10.Cork
11.Kerry
12.Tipperary

i am struggling now
so 4 from Meath, Clare, Fermanagh.Down, longford, And yes maybe even Carlow.
who have missed out?

Blackbog (Carlow) - Posts: 704 - 19/03/2018 20:05:49    2085976

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Replying To Malonemagic:  "I see your point but also have to re emphasize that Carlow are buzzing because they've won something. The same way an intermediate club team celebrates. A second tier could be great if only the GAA did it properly."
Do you trust gaa to do it properly?

Bimb (Carlow) - Posts: 452 - 19/03/2018 20:14:32    2085985

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Armagh's Brendan Donaghy the latest to shoot down a two tier championship and offer no alternative.

why (Kildare) - Posts: 142 - 20/03/2018 10:13:56    2086133

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Replying To Whammo86:  "As a fan of a "weaker" county I am coming around to the idea of a tiered championship.

It would have to be done properly though and by that I mean league based.

My ideal would be a championship of 2 divisions of 16. Top 6 into the knockout stages in each. 3 up 3 down for promotion.

The reason it is better is not because it gives teams a chance at silverware but because it provides a top quality top tier championship which every team is only 1 year away from.

You look at this season's Carlow team. They'd be huge contenders for promotion from a 16 team division 2 and the price of getting 15 division 1 games the following season.

The league based championship would provide more games but still make it easier to arrange club fixtures as the schedule will be known in advance."
The theory here is good but I'd wonder about the practise. Having the top 6 into the playoffs gives a lot of teams a shout but would the teams who are struggling and know halfway through that they have little chance of making the playoffs not effectively give up? We've heard of the more modest teams having players leave one they've lost their opening championship game to go to America for the summer etc. Would the fans turn up for the dead rubbers or would they be played in front of two men and a dog? It's a better suggestion than anything I have but I'd wonder whether it would really work across such a prolonged period. This goes double for tier two teams who have no relegation concerns.

Back on topic, well done Carlow on an excellent campaign. Now go finish the job!

Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - Posts: 567 - 20/03/2018 11:37:30    2086185

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In 20+ years following Wexford footballers, I've always considered Carlow our main football rivalry, whatever level either of us is playing at. So let me just say... Well Done and congratulations to long suffering Carlow football players and supporters.

(And make sure you do a better job in Div3 than we did this year! :) )

extranjero (Wexford) - Posts: 375 - 20/03/2018 14:01:16    2086238

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Congratulations Carlow. Great achievement and I'm sure they'll be looking forward to Championship.

On the topic of restructuring, how about this.
Leave league format the same. Two tier championship. Tier 1 is Division 1, Top 4 Division 2, Top 2 Division 3, Top 1 Division 4 and last place a playoff between 3rd Team in Division 3 and 2nd in Division 4. The rest play in 2nd tier. Could go straight knockout for both and if people are worried about too few games maybe introduce a regional championship as separate if the appetite was there. Format could be either the provincials as they currently stand or reformatting to equal numbers. Scrap pre-league competitions. I don't know if it could work but it would certainly add a bit of extra bite to league.

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 20/03/2018 14:53:08    2086264

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