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Dublin 2018 V Donegal 2012

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Replying To Dubh_linn:  "It's all good natured what's and ifs stuff this but essentially there is no answer.
For me though this current Dublin side will be compared to all great sides and they will hold their own with any I've seen before and then some.
When they loose you can see the glee in the opposition having achieved what so many couldn't do as with kerry in last year's league final.OK,it was a final but I think it was more the fact it was this current Dublin side although probably a little undercooked that they saw as the real prize.
Donegal from 2012 were a fine side and caught a Dublin team who were full of gungho but hadn't the inner strength or know how to deal with the scenario that unfolded and were beaten fair and square in the end and Donegal completely deserved their all ireland that year.
What makes a great is longevity, consistency and ability in adversity to overcome. I'll leave it with you."
Donegal didn't meet the jacks in 2012.

It was 2014 semi final where we dished out the hammering to the home team.

eunans4ever (Donegal) - Posts: 972 - 10/03/2018 12:57:53    2083153

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Replying To eunans4ever:  "Donegal didn't meet the jacks in 2012.

It was 2014 semi final where we dished out the hammering to the home team."
Then you capitulated against the Kingdom

maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts: 802 - 10/03/2018 13:15:19    2083156

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Replying To eunans4ever:  "Donegal didn't meet the jacks in 2012.

It was 2014 semi final where we dished out the hammering to the home team."
Right you are of course.
Ye won it in 12 and lost final in 14.
We weren't prepared for that in 14.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 1790 - 10/03/2018 13:54:29    2083165

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Replying To maroondiesel:  "Then you capitulated against the Kingdom"
Considering that there was a kick of a ball between the teams along with how badly Donegal played I don't feel that capitulation is a reasonable description.

Particularly given the nature of performances of some other counties who've faced Kerry in All Irelands in the recent past. Can I think of a capitulation or two there alright.

greatpoint (USA) - Posts: 167 - 10/03/2018 17:48:08    2083213

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Replying To maroondiesel:  "Then you capitulated against the Kingdom"
Capitulation is what Mayo do in finals when they see the green and gold of Kerry.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 511 - 10/03/2018 19:49:11    2083231

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Replying To MesAmis:  "In fairness the Dublin team of the 00s drew with Tyrone in 2005 and ran the Kerry team rally close in 2007.

If that Dublin team was capable of that then I think this Dublin team would have been able to beat the Tyrone and Kerry teams of the 00s.

I'm not saying that this Dublin team would've dominated the 00s but that Tyrone and Kerry's duopoly from 2003-2009 wouldn't have happened."
Well, Cavan drew with Tyrone on 05, not sure that means much either! The biggest difference between Dublin 2005 and Dublin 2018 is self belief. I remember in the third quarter of one of the 05 Tyrone Dublin games, Dublin played 20 minutes of fantastic football, as good as you'd ever see, and Tyrone was just weathering the storm. But you always knew that, at some point, Dublin would implode / buckle. Fragile confidence, easily discouraged. The current Dublin team in my view aren't miles better than the Dublin team of 05, big difference is they don't do panic and they don't know how to lose and their self belief and will to win is admirable. A lot of credit has to go to the manager. Depressingly, I think the rest have slipped even further behind. Mayo will fall short again. Kerry have some great young players, but it's a year or so too soon. Tyrone is just a good average team. Nothing more, and we don't have enough. It'll be interesting to keep an eye on Galway, but more in hope than expectation.

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 478 - 10/03/2018 23:22:10    2083272

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Replying To eunans4ever:  "Donegal didn't meet the jacks in 2012.

It was 2014 semi final where we dished out the hammering to the home team."
Would you be angry about an issue involving the dubs, "jacks ,hometeam and hammering".

shantygael (Derry) - Posts: 24 - 10/03/2018 23:50:11    2083275

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Replying To essmac:  "Well, Cavan drew with Tyrone on 05, not sure that means much either! The biggest difference between Dublin 2005 and Dublin 2018 is self belief. I remember in the third quarter of one of the 05 Tyrone Dublin games, Dublin played 20 minutes of fantastic football, as good as you'd ever see, and Tyrone was just weathering the storm. But you always knew that, at some point, Dublin would implode / buckle. Fragile confidence, easily discouraged. The current Dublin team in my view aren't miles better than the Dublin team of 05, big difference is they don't do panic and they don't know how to lose and their self belief and will to win is admirable. A lot of credit has to go to the manager. Depressingly, I think the rest have slipped even further behind. Mayo will fall short again. Kerry have some great young players, but it's a year or so too soon. Tyrone is just a good average team. Nothing more, and we don't have enough. It'll be interesting to keep an eye on Galway, but more in hope than expectation."
Agree with what you say about 05 dubs lacking self belief.they also lacked confidence,focus,and a great manager.but what you say about the current dubs not being too far ahead of them i dont agree with.the current dublin are light years ahead of the 05 crop.05 dubs,their attitude stunk.the sheer arrogance of them was unbeleiveable.they thought the world owed them sam maguire year in 'year out.

GGdub (Dublin) - Posts: 260 - 11/03/2018 10:27:37    2083310

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Replying To shantygael:  "Would you be angry about an issue involving the dubs, "jacks ,hometeam and hammering"."
How u figure that out???

Dublin are known as the Jacks, were at home and we did hammer them?

eunans4ever (Donegal) - Posts: 972 - 11/03/2018 11:35:42    2083322

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Replying To essmac:  "Well, Cavan drew with Tyrone on 05, not sure that means much either! The biggest difference between Dublin 2005 and Dublin 2018 is self belief. I remember in the third quarter of one of the 05 Tyrone Dublin games, Dublin played 20 minutes of fantastic football, as good as you'd ever see, and Tyrone was just weathering the storm. But you always knew that, at some point, Dublin would implode / buckle. Fragile confidence, easily discouraged. The current Dublin team in my view aren't miles better than the Dublin team of 05, big difference is they don't do panic and they don't know how to lose and their self belief and will to win is admirable. A lot of credit has to go to the manager. Depressingly, I think the rest have slipped even further behind. Mayo will fall short again. Kerry have some great young players, but it's a year or so too soon. Tyrone is just a good average team. Nothing more, and we don't have enough. It'll be interesting to keep an eye on Galway, but more in hope than expectation."
That comment 'The Dubs don't do panic' the Rte commentator said it in the 2014 semi when we were getting the upper hand, if you watch the end of that game the Dubs definitely did panic, they were missing easy chances and taking on scores that were never on, so they did panic and didn't know what hit them, the media before that game were saying they were 'the team that couldn't be beat' don't believe the hype!!
they can be beat, I think part of the reason they seem so invincible now is that everyone else has fallen so far behind, it's early yet, I wouldn't rule out Kerry Tyrone or maybe even Galway stealing their crown this year.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 511 - 11/03/2018 12:48:45    2083339

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "That comment 'The Dubs don't do panic' the Rte commentator said it in the 2014 semi when we were getting the upper hand, if you watch the end of that game the Dubs definitely did panic, they were missing easy chances and taking on scores that were never on, so they did panic and didn't know what hit them, the media before that game were saying they were 'the team that couldn't be beat' don't believe the hype!!
they can be beat, I think part of the reason they seem so invincible now is that everyone else has fallen so far behind, it's early yet, I wouldn't rule out Kerry Tyrone or maybe even Galway stealing their crown this year."
Nobody who knows football would suggest anyone is unbeatable unless you are trying to flog papers to gullible brick swallowers which is what was and still exists within the media. 2014 was a landmark year for this team and they were not the finished article able to cope when the plans weren't working. I think the last three finals have proven that that is no longer the case and have had plenty of opportunities to panic but have done the opposite.
Everyone falling back is also another way of saying one team has risen above the rest.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 1790 - 11/03/2018 13:06:31    2083343

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Replying To eunans4ever:  "How u figure that out???

Dublin are known as the Jacks, were at home and we did hammer them?"
That game was in Croke Park buddy not Parnell Park!

DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 536 - 11/03/2018 17:57:42    2083454

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Replying To DUBJOHN:  "That game was in Croke Park buddy not Parnell Park!"
The game was played in Dublin not Donegal - we travelled away from home where ye stayed at home.

Don't kid yourself on the Parnell park thing - how many games have the jacks played there over last 5 years V Croker??

eunans4ever (Donegal) - Posts: 972 - 11/03/2018 21:21:33    2083645

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Replying To maroondiesel:  "Then you capitulated against the Kingdom"
I don't think they did, Kerry got a goal in the first minute a brilliant preset move, Durcan made a mistake for the second goal, Donegal hit the post in the last minute and lost by three and Jim Mc Guinness probably had his worst game for Donegal by picking McFadden and O Connor and not McBrearty.

EDH (Galway) - Posts: 216 - 12/03/2018 14:22:39    2083954

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