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It's definitely the media's game one look at independent website 13 articles on main page 7 to rugby , 3 to soccer,2 to athletics and one to horse racing, that has nothing to do with hype over this game it happens when we are losing also , no mention of league ireland and all Ireland champions meeting , its allways been this way , no doubt Ormo will refute this as allways, log on check the articles all week and today

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 4778 - 07/03/2018 14:21:48
any chance you can drop the name calling damothedud?
the media is in the business of selling its stories. rugby sells and this time of year is biggest for rugby, far bigger than for gaa.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 08/03/2018 02:55:51    2082612

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Far fetched? It's a self evident fact! We have had over 130 years of the GAA and half the country is hurling wasteland. Ye haven't actually embraced the sport in Monaghan anyway! Barring a rich sugar daddy (and theyd want to be of the billionaire class) coming in to bankroll the promotion of hurling and building a bit of hype round it, rugby has far more potential to grow in Ireland than hurling. The young are already hooked in terms of interest...the professional organisational abilities of the IRFU could without too much effort change that passive interest into an active one over the medium to long term.
PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 895 - 07/03/2018 15:42:50
excellent post....

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 08/03/2018 02:56:38    2082613

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Soccer is the highest participation sport among young people in Ireland
Soccer sits atop the pile with 340,070 participants across the country in 2,500 clubs.
The GAA finds itself in second place with 294, 577 registered players across 2,359 clubs.
Rugby, though growing, is a distant third with 158,685 registered players and 236 clubs.
Problem with the Gaa sport is its the only one out of the 3 that's not growing ...its decreasing in numbers and clubs. But in Dublin and other leinster areas the numbers are growing by a small fraction ! And yet the sport has grown incredibly in terms of popularity in Germany. Stuttgart, Berlin, Hamburg, Dresden, Darmstadt and Munich are all cities which now proudly have a GAA club, with ten clubs situated around the country.
Were as Soccer is growing player numbers and new club registration.
Lets take Rugby and Gaa players ratio to club numbers .______________________
294, 577 registered players and 2,359 clubs...would be 124 players per clubs
158,685 registered players and 236 clubs.....would be 672 players per clubs
interesting ..well kinda
WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 681 - 07/03/2018 16:53:58
as ive said already your wrong. its a bit silly to put gaa as one. its multiple sports..... and your ratio of rugby players to club numbers is off...

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 08/03/2018 02:58:56    2082614

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Replying To ormondbannerman:  "While it is massive and well supported here even at club level, in terms of playing numbers soccer would be far bigger in city (limerick city soccer has around 80 adult teams) and in county hurling is king Around 70 gaa clubs versus around 14 in rugby,
weird thing about club rugby mentality in limerick when a guy moves to different area (get married etc) in rugby the kids tend to play for the dads club, in GAA more likely the local club.
As a county sportswise we are pretty ecumenical -the guys who support limerick in hurling will support munster as well and follow soccer
youngmunstersman (Limerick) - Posts: 7 - 06/03/2018 22:35:59
soccer will always have more players as its easier to play, easier to run. less physical. less specialised training required etc etc

No, not nonsense, I hear lads talking about rugby in recent years that wouldn't have spit on the game when we were the underdog. Yes GAA has bandwagon fans, especially in my own county. But mostly the core of the fanbase nationally has always been there.
I know you are defensive when it comes to rugby, but I think its pretty obvious around the towns of Ireland that GAA is far more popular.
I have been watching rugby as long as I have GAA, and I love it, but to call it the peoples game this stage, is actual nonsense.
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6578 - 06/03/2018 22:43:53
you use bandwagon in such a negative fashion. its ridiculous. there is no such thing as a bandwagon fan. you are either a fan of a team/sport or you are not a fan of them/it.
there is no categories. like you are not measured by your ability to support your team before you enter a ground. ive never said that GAA isnt more popular than Rugby i just disagree with the nonsense people spout about rugby here. i havent actually said that rugby is the peoples game and tbh i think phrases like "the peoples game" are just empty statements."
I never said it was a negative thing, only for them the stands would be half empty during the championship. I also never said anything negative about rugby.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6971 - 08/03/2018 10:18:01    2082633

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I never said it was a negative thing, only for them the stands would be half empty during the championship. I also never said anything negative about rugby.
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6580 - 08/03/2018 10:18:01


I never understand people's negativity whenever someone mentions the word 'bandwagon' in terms of sport.

It is clear to be seem that Irish sports fans are bandwagon event junkies, when it comes to all sports. GAA, Soccer, rugby whatever.

We all become massive amateur boxing experts around the Olympics too.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 12007 - 08/03/2018 10:30:16    2082635

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Replying To 37thHeaven:  "If the GAA continue to sit idly by and let one team absolutely swamp the rest in every facet , more and more GAA people will become alienated and bet your bottom dollar the IRFU recognises this and won't hesitate to take advantage and take over rural Ireland"
There's more to the GAA than just the senior football championship.

Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - Posts: 408 - 08/03/2018 11:09:13    2082655

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I never understand people's negativity whenever someone mentions the word 'bandwagon' in terms of sport.

It is clear to be seem that Irish sports fans are bandwagon event junkies, when it comes to all sports. GAA, Soccer, rugby whatever.

We all become massive amateur boxing experts around the Olympics too.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 11539 - 08/03/2018 10:30:16
I dont like the way people attach the word bandwagon to things. Its used so negatively.
They say people only support irish rugby or whatever for the bandwagon...
its nonsense. its childish. there is no bandwagon fan. there is fans.
we watch more of the bigger games as they are covered more in the media so they get attention of more casual viewers. that isnt bandwagoning

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 08/03/2018 11:09:29    2082656

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Replying To Kurt_Angle:  "There's more to the GAA than just the senior football championship."
The IC Senior Championship plays a huge part in enticing kids to play GAA at club level

If the IC game is a dead duck, then kids will go towards other sports , the health of the club game is very much connected to the IC game particularly in areas where population is limited - a few kids changing their sport makes an enormous impact in terms of being able to field a team

Leinster Rugby has made incredible strides outside of its traditional Dublin base in the last decade and it will continue to take on the GAA there. The decline of a very vibrant championship has had huge ramifications for the health of the sport there long-term and will continue to do so if things are just left they way they are

37thHeaven (Kerry) - Posts: 102 - 08/03/2018 11:19:43    2082662

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dont like the way people attach the word bandwagon to things. Its used so negatively.
They say people only support irish rugby or whatever for the bandwagon...
its nonsense. its childish. there is no bandwagon fan. there is fans.
we watch more of the bigger games as they are covered more in the media so they get attention of more casual viewers. that isnt bandwagoning

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13343 - 08/03/2018 11:09:29


I don't see it as negative, it's more realistic than that.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 12007 - 08/03/2018 12:28:31    2082679

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Replying To ormondbannerman:  "I don't have a clue about playing numbers for hurling but to say Rugby has far more potential for growth than it nationally seems a bit far fetched.
bananaskin (Monaghan) - Posts: 42 - 07/03/2018 12:18:47
why is that? How much will hurling ever develop in tyrone? donegal? Rugby is far more similar to gaelic in many aspects than hurling and more transferable skills so the many gaelic playing areas are great growth for rugby.

A sport that has one professional outfit in the east of the country, one in the west, one in the south and one in the north. And at the same time it's own club scene is collapsing.
Seems to me like the GAA is trying to follow the IRFU model instead of being threatened by it.
Greenfield (Meath) - Posts: 279 - 07/03/2018 12:30:05
club game in rugby isnt at all collapsing. care to expand on that??"
well i wouldn't have your level of expertise but i've seen my local rugby club having to fold underage teams in the last 2 years due to lack of numbers.
Also a quick google finds articles like this which suggest things aren't all rosy:
[url=]http://www.the42.ie/club-rugby-ireland-professional-game-3197191-Feb2017/

Greenfield (Meath) - Posts: 301 - 08/03/2018 12:39:23    2082682

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Replying To ormondbannerman:  "I don't have a clue about playing numbers for hurling but to say Rugby has far more potential for growth than it nationally seems a bit far fetched.
bananaskin (Monaghan) - Posts: 42 - 07/03/2018 12:18:47
why is that? How much will hurling ever develop in tyrone? donegal? Rugby is far more similar to gaelic in many aspects than hurling and more transferable skills so the many gaelic playing areas are great growth for rugby.

A sport that has one professional outfit in the east of the country, one in the west, one in the south and one in the north. And at the same time it's own club scene is collapsing.
Seems to me like the GAA is trying to follow the IRFU model instead of being threatened by it.
Greenfield (Meath) - Posts: 279 - 07/03/2018 12:30:05
club game in rugby isnt at all collapsing. care to expand on that??"
Ok, i'll bite,
There are more hurling clubs in Donegal than rugby clubs. 4 clubs in recent time have introduced hurling at underage and are going well and are competitive in their age groups. Those clubs being Gweedore, Dungloe, Carndonagh and Letterkenny Gaels. Add them onto Burt, St Eunans, Mc Cools, Setanta, Buncrana and Ballyshannon. That's 10 clubs playing now. Hopefully in a few years they can be added into the adult ranks.
Hurling is growing due to clubs incredible effort to promote the games over the last 10 years. Teams are seeing the fruits of it now.
Setanta got to the All Ireland junior semi final losing to a strong Ardmore side containing past and current members of the Waterford senior team.
Donegal have just beaten Derry and Down in the league in recent weeks. 1st time ever. Hopefully make the move up to Christy Ring grade next year !!!! More children are walking around with Hurley's than the past due to exposure through summer camps. We are lucky that renowned hurling coaches such as Paudie Butler and Martin Fogarty visit with regularity in the summer.
Hurling is growing in Donegal. Far faster than rugby and not one hurling person would make claims that its popular across the county. It's a long term project. Up here rugby is only on the tv in the spring and November. Letterkenny is the biggest rugby club in the county and have to share their facilities with Letterkenny Gaels due to lack of members to finance their own ground. But I'm sure you'll be able to tell me different from Clare. Whether or not you agree, rugby is well behind GAA and Football is nearly as big in donegal with the amount of soccer clubs in the county. Every club has great facilities, not the togging out in containers etc of yesteryear.
Rugby is brilliantly marketed and advertised, no one will dispute that, but for huge parts of the country it's just some thing on the tv that's great to watch but will never play.
Just food for thought to back up my opinion, here's the number of adult clubs in Donegal in each sport.
Soccer/football. 70.
Gaa. 40.
Rugby. 4.

Bain (Donegal) - Posts: 468 - 08/03/2018 13:49:14    2082693

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Beidh cúig cluiche CLG ar TG4 Dé Domhnaigh. There are 5 matches on TG4 on Sunday. "Super Sunday!!!!" Ba mhaith liom comhgardeas a dhéanamh go dtí TG4.

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 1271 - 08/03/2018 14:13:39    2082700

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Replying To Bain:  "
Replying To ormondbannerman:  "I don't have a clue about playing numbers for hurling but to say Rugby has far more potential for growth than it nationally seems a bit far fetched.
bananaskin (Monaghan) - Posts: 42 - 07/03/2018 12:18:47
why is that? How much will hurling ever develop in tyrone? donegal? Rugby is far more similar to gaelic in many aspects than hurling and more transferable skills so the many gaelic playing areas are great growth for rugby.

A sport that has one professional outfit in the east of the country, one in the west, one in the south and one in the north. And at the same time it's own club scene is collapsing.
Seems to me like the GAA is trying to follow the IRFU model instead of being threatened by it.
Greenfield (Meath) - Posts: 279 - 07/03/2018 12:30:05
club game in rugby isnt at all collapsing. care to expand on that??"
Ok, i'll bite,
There are more hurling clubs in Donegal than rugby clubs. 4 clubs in recent time have introduced hurling at underage and are going well and are competitive in their age groups. Those clubs being Gweedore, Dungloe, Carndonagh and Letterkenny Gaels. Add them onto Burt, St Eunans, Mc Cools, Setanta, Buncrana and Ballyshannon. That's 10 clubs playing now. Hopefully in a few years they can be added into the adult ranks.
Hurling is growing due to clubs incredible effort to promote the games over the last 10 years. Teams are seeing the fruits of it now.
Setanta got to the All Ireland junior semi final losing to a strong Ardmore side containing past and current members of the Waterford senior team.
Donegal have just beaten Derry and Down in the league in recent weeks. 1st time ever. Hopefully make the move up to Christy Ring grade next year !!!! More children are walking around with Hurley's than the past due to exposure through summer camps. We are lucky that renowned hurling coaches such as Paudie Butler and Martin Fogarty visit with regularity in the summer.
Hurling is growing in Donegal. Far faster than rugby and not one hurling person would make claims that its popular across the county. It's a long term project. Up here rugby is only on the tv in the spring and November. Letterkenny is the biggest rugby club in the county and have to share their facilities with Letterkenny Gaels due to lack of members to finance their own ground. But I'm sure you'll be able to tell me different from Clare. Whether or not you agree, rugby is well behind GAA and Football is nearly as big in donegal with the amount of soccer clubs in the county. Every club has great facilities, not the togging out in containers etc of yesteryear.
Rugby is brilliantly marketed and advertised, no one will dispute that, but for huge parts of the country it's just some thing on the tv that's great to watch but will never play.
Just food for thought to back up my opinion, here's the number of adult clubs in Donegal in each sport.
Soccer/football. 70.
Gaa. 40.
Rugby. 4."
That's great to read Bain. Played with some hurlers from Donegal over here, they loved the game and were of a very decent standard too. Hopefully it continues to grow there.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2204 - 08/03/2018 14:27:09    2082707

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As ive said already your wrong. its a bit silly to put gaa as one. its multiple sports..... and your ratio of rugby players to club numbers is off...

ormondbannerman (Clare)

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How condescending !....Are you growing a extra inch on me somewhere ?

I don't think you actually read my post,try read it again,Now start from the top and work your way down!

Adult Male Players
Women Players
Secondary Schools Players
Youth Players
Mini Rugby Players
Primary School

That would be more or less correct...but i am doing the ratio out of interest more than Fact.

Now repeat !

but i am doing the ratio out of interest more than Fact.

Now i know the corrected playing Numbers at all ages ..its not that hard to find out information ,google is a good start !
What i did was ratio the playing numbers out of interest rather than fact as i explained ...which in return means i knew it wasn't correct but i did it anyway ...why ? Because i could :) Is this really that big of problem for the bald middle age fantasy gaa football manager ? is the earth really flat ?

Have a little think to yourself ....and try and work out the difference between " interest and Fact " ! Also try not to reduce yourself to school yard names ! Take a few deep breaths ...Now try and type something in a mature manner without calling people silly or you "don't know but i know everything manner"

I think sports inflate their playing numbers ...same way the government sexed up housing.. last number of new homes built in the State last year was just 2,076, a fraction of the Government's 15,000 estimate, according to new figures obtained under the Freedom of Information.


If the government can do it why not sports ? Personally i don't think Rugby has that many 158,685 registered players I would say it's a lot less.... For example how many rugby playing pitches are in the country ? I can name 7 in Meath....so even if my ratio of club/players didn't make sense to you ,i am wondering were are the pitches ! Do you not understand were i was coming from with my ratio ?

WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 776 - 08/03/2018 14:38:21    2082709

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I would say places like Sligo. Now has a senior club. Schools playing the game far more than before. Summerhill doing as well/better than the grammar school.
Plenty of other places as well....

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 08/03/2018 15:53:59    2082742

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@bain i simply said donegal has great potential for growth not that it was already rivalling other sports in terms of numbers etc

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 08/03/2018 16:06:08    2082745

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How condescending !....Are you growing a extra inch on me somewhere ?
I don't think you actually read my post,try read it again,Now start from the top and work your way down!
Adult Male Players, Women Players, Secondary Schools Players, Youth Players , Mini Rugby Players, Primary School
That would be more or less correct...but i am doing the ratio out of interest more than Fact.
Now repeat !
but i am doing the ratio out of interest more than Fact.
Now i know the corrected playing Numbers at all ages ..its not that hard to find out information ,google is a good start !
What i did was ratio the playing numbers out of interest rather than fact as i explained ...which in return means i knew it wasn't correct but i did it anyway ...why ? Because i could :) Is this really that big of problem for the bald middle age fantasy gaa football manager ? is the earth really flat ?
Have a little think to yourself ....and try and work out the difference between " interest and Fact " ! Also try not to reduce yourself to school yard names ! Take a few deep breaths ...Now try and type something in a mature manner without calling people silly or you "don't know but i know everything manner"
I think sports inflate their playing numbers ...same way the government sexed up housing.. last number of new homes built in the State last year was just 2,076, a fraction of the Government's 15,000 estimate, according to new figures obtained under the Freedom of Information.
If the government can do it why not sports ? Personally i don't think Rugby has that many 158,685 registered players I would say it's a lot less.... For example how many rugby playing pitches are in the country ? I can name 7 in Meath....so even if my ratio of club/players didn't make sense to you ,i am wondering were are the pitches ! Do you not understand were i was coming from with my ratio ?
WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 682 - 08/03/2018 14:38:21
Where was the condescending post? I did read your post so now who is being condescending??
Ratio may be out of interest but is completely flawed in this case. Its incorrect as you say but you did it to make a point but point is completely flawed because its wrong! How is that difficult to understand. And you dont understand irony if you're trying to tell me i need to learn difference between opinion and fact
Considering every rugby player in the country must have an IRFU registration number than where are the lies in this.
Grounds with rugby pitches in Meath. Not up there too much but 7? Quite a few schools that play extensive amounts of rugby and not much connection for players with clubs.
And number of pitches dont have any correlation with number of players. Nothing to prove that

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 08/03/2018 16:13:35    2082747

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Replying To ormondbannerman:  "How condescending !....Are you growing a extra inch on me somewhere ?
I don't think you actually read my post,try read it again,Now start from the top and work your way down!
Adult Male Players, Women Players, Secondary Schools Players, Youth Players , Mini Rugby Players, Primary School
That would be more or less correct...but i am doing the ratio out of interest more than Fact.
Now repeat !
but i am doing the ratio out of interest more than Fact.
Now i know the corrected playing Numbers at all ages ..its not that hard to find out information ,google is a good start !
What i did was ratio the playing numbers out of interest rather than fact as i explained ...which in return means i knew it wasn't correct but i did it anyway ...why ? Because i could :) Is this really that big of problem for the bald middle age fantasy gaa football manager ? is the earth really flat ?
Have a little think to yourself ....and try and work out the difference between " interest and Fact " ! Also try not to reduce yourself to school yard names ! Take a few deep breaths ...Now try and type something in a mature manner without calling people silly or you "don't know but i know everything manner"
I think sports inflate their playing numbers ...same way the government sexed up housing.. last number of new homes built in the State last year was just 2,076, a fraction of the Government's 15,000 estimate, according to new figures obtained under the Freedom of Information.
If the government can do it why not sports ? Personally i don't think Rugby has that many 158,685 registered players I would say it's a lot less.... For example how many rugby playing pitches are in the country ? I can name 7 in Meath....so even if my ratio of club/players didn't make sense to you ,i am wondering were are the pitches ! Do you not understand were i was coming from with my ratio ?
WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 682 - 08/03/2018 14:38:21
Where was the condescending post? I did read your post so now who is being condescending??
Ratio may be out of interest but is completely flawed in this case. Its incorrect as you say but you did it to make a point but point is completely flawed because its wrong! How is that difficult to understand. And you dont understand irony if you're trying to tell me i need to learn difference between opinion and fact
Considering every rugby player in the country must have an IRFU registration number than where are the lies in this.
Grounds with rugby pitches in Meath. Not up there too much but 7? Quite a few schools that play extensive amounts of rugby and not much connection for players with clubs.
And number of pitches dont have any correlation with number of players. Nothing to prove that"
Where was the condescending post? I did read your post so now who is being condescending??
Ratio may be out of interest but is completely flawed in this case. Its incorrect as you say but you did it to make a point but point is completely flawed because its wrong! How is that difficult to understand. And you dont understand irony if you're trying to tell me i need to learn difference between opinion and fact
Considering every rugby player in the country must have an IRFU registration number than where are the lies in this.
Grounds with rugby pitches in Meath. Not up there too much but 7? Quite a few schools that play extensive amounts of rugby and not much connection for players with clubs.
And number of pitches dont have any correlation with number of players. Nothing to prove that

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13349 - 08/03/2018 16:13:35 2082747


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I have a rugby IRFU registration number card, complete with photo and relevant personal details...but i haven't played in years !


That would be correct i only know 7 rugby pitches in Meath.....the rest would school pitches Gaa/soccer /rugby etc...But a school pitch is not opened to the public and anybody with IRFU registration number card cant play on it !

Playing numbers and IRFU registration numbers are 100% correct ?

WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 776 - 08/03/2018 17:26:13    2082768

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Replying To ormondbannerman:  "@bain i simply said donegal has great potential for growth not that it was already rivalling other sports in terms of numbers etc"
No, you said how much would hurling really develop? And I've given you the examples. Rugby has had decades of a head start and made no inroads in terms of numbers. Project donegal was a paper exercise buy ulster rugby. You need to differentiate between potential and reality.
I'll give you an example, I've the potential to be €50 million richer tomorrow night with the euro millions. The reality is that I've a 75 million to one chance.
Still better odds than rugby being the top participantion sport in Ireland in my lifetime.

Bain (Donegal) - Posts: 468 - 08/03/2018 17:29:42    2082771

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I have a rugby IRFU registration number card, complete with photo and relevant personal details...but i haven't played in years !

That would be correct i only know 7 rugby pitches in Meath.....the rest would school pitches Gaa/soccer /rugby etc...But a school pitch is not opened to the public and anybody with IRFU registration number card cant play on it !

Playing numbers and IRFU registration numbers are 100% correct ?
WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 683 - 08/03/2018 17:26:13
You very well may have an IRFU reg card but that doesnt mean you are still included in the figures if not involved.

No, you said how much would hurling really develop? And I've given you the examples. Rugby has had decades of a head start and made no inroads in terms of numbers. Project donegal was a paper exercise buy ulster rugby. You need to differentiate between potential and reality.
I'll give you an example, I've the potential to be €50 million richer tomorrow night with the euro millions. The reality is that I've a 75 million to one chance.
Still better odds than rugby being the top participantion sport in Ireland in my lifetime.
Bain (Donegal) - Posts: 464 - 08/03/2018 17:29:42
How exactly does rugby have decades of head start. Project donegal wasnt paper exercise. Now ulster rugby is poorly ran but that wasnt a paper exercise.
Im not saying rugby ever will be top participation sport in ireland in 10 years or 50 years but that it will grab a much greater percentage of those playing sport over time which it has done in recent years

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 08/03/2018 19:40:44    2082791

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