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Kerry can be very physical. galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2517 - 24/02/2018 21:58:01 2079818 Link 0 |
The Tyrone team of the 00s were good but very overrated, never even came close to doing a back to back. Kerry were by far the best team that decade Hill16Army (Dublin) - Posts: 88 - 24/02/2018 22:04:52 2079821 Link 1 |
Clare were the best hurling team in the land in 1998. Robbed by whistlers and whingers. ZUL10 (Clare) - Posts: 693 - 24/02/2018 22:19:57 2079828 Link 0 |
Never said they wouldnt. Dublin team at the moment are one of the greatest teams of all time. They would have won All Irelands in any era because they a truly all time great team. Better then the Tyrone or kerry teams of the 00s. Its not Dublin fault other counties are in the state their in . I could give you 20 reasons why Meath have fallen from the top table and not 1 of those reasons have anything to do with Dublin. You just asked where were teams like Galway Meath Cork kildare Offaly in the 70s. I just showed with stats that they were much stronger. A fact is a fact. There were 4 top division 1 teams in leinster in the 70s. We have only had 1 division team in leinster in the last 12 or 13 years or longer. That is fact. It doesnt diminish Dublin greatness. Again Dublin are a great great team. But if you compare the 90s and 00s to say now their has been a whole group of counties who went from all time highs in that period to lows in this decade eg Meath Cork Down Galway Armagh kildare Derry laois Offaly etc. That is a worrying thread. If it continues and these counties dont improve and others decline . That is an issue. This brillant brave Mayo cannot keep going on ever. Donegal in transition. If they both decline. Well its worrying. Again its nothing to do with Dublin. All these counties have to look at their own and improve internally. Both there is definalty a massive group of strong counties in permanent decline. Hopefully kildare and Galway can make the breakthrough. But it still has been a terrible decade for so many of strong football counties. Thats a fact. Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 24/02/2018 22:20:49 2079830 Link 0 |
You may not have been around in '57' but I do know you were around in '10' the last time Louth won Leinster but due to one of the greatest depravities and injustices in the history of the GAA they didn't take home the silverware.....
THE_SNAPPER (Louth) - Posts: 2019 - 24/02/2018 22:36:43 2079837 Link 0 |
Fair enough, well said. I think I was getting confused and that this led from someone saying we would not have won AIs in the 00s. Wasn't you obviously.
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8586 - 24/02/2018 22:46:05 2079843 Link 0 |
Tyrone werent the best team I ever seen. The Dublin team currently is a better team. But that Tyrone team to me was the best drilled best organised team best football machine I ever seen. Those 3 wins over kerry especially in 05 and 08 where titanic struggles between a 3 time All Ireland winners v 5 time All Ireland winner. And while kerry probaly had more better footballers that Tyrone team had kerry in mentally under their thumb. That was a great kerry team, one of the best to come out of the kingdom. But 3 loses to Tyrone would definitely be a black mark if your picking who was better. McMemanin was the best man marker country in mid 00s. Harte Gormley Jordan is as good as a half back line I have ever seen. Cavanagh was the closest player to Jack O Se I ever saw. And the forward line of Dooher McGuigan O Neill Mulligan Cavanan is a good as any in the last 40 years. Mcguigan was the best player maker of the 00s . And only Greg Blaney from Down and Trevor Giles were better playmakers then McGuigan. And of course Cavanan probaly is the greatest forward to come from Ulster since Downs Sean O Neill in 60s. They also had a great rivalry with the neighbours,a brillant 6 time winning Ulster team that won their counties only All Ireland and only national div 1 league title, Armagh. Very few times have border teams reached final eg Meath v Cavan 1952 Offaly v Galway 1971 Kerry v Cork 09 and Tyrone v Armagh in 03. Very rare to have All Ireland contenders on each others doorstep. As a Meathman who has to still listen to Tyrone nonsense about 96. ( Meath had the better team and won more All Ireland in late 90s then Tyrone team . Meath simply had better players Reilly Fay O Connell McDermont Dowd Giles Geraghty B Murphy Ollie Murphy v Cavanan Lawan McBride Dooher. Better players 2 All Ireland Meath late 90d v Tyrone 0). But as I said as a Meathman I still have to say that was a great Tyrone team. One of the best to ever come out of Ulster. Only the Down team of the 60s or the Cavan team of the 40s and 50s were better. Dublin team of this decade is better then that Tyrone team. But I would be certain if that Tyrone team was around now Dublin wouldnt have beaten them as easliy as the cureent Tyrone team. It's impossible to say what that Tyrone team 00s would win if they were in this decade. Its only guesswork, we will never know. But if they were around , I would say battles with this all time great Dublin team would be great games. The 1 back mark though is they never did a two in a row like the othet great Ulster teams eg Down 1960 1961 and Cavan 1947 1948. But they were a great team all the same. Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 24/02/2018 22:54:03 2079850 Link 1 |
Ulster teams are incapable of taking any form of criticism. Bain (Donegal) - Posts: 470 - 24/02/2018 22:54:47 2079851 Link 1 |
Would agree with this also, played Kerry at very opportunistic times when they were going for a back to back and a three in a row. They were an excellent team but I felt Kerry were a bit better despite the head to heads. I am hopelessly biased of course. Current Dublin team marginally better than both of the above, especially when you get to the subs bench. If they were around back then what battles we would have had! GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 24/02/2018 22:56:58 2079855 Link 1 |
It was a great kerry team. They had some bad defeats but kept coming back eg Meath 01 Armgh 02 Tyrone 03 05 and 08. Always came back Great forwards like Cooper Donaghy Sullivan Mike Frank Russell Cinneade Fitzgerald. Dara O Se was a colosus at midfield. But definsively some of the greatest defenders ever. Sullivan and Mahony were class. But the two O Se are greats. Tomas was one of the best number 5 to ever play the game. While Marc O Se is one of the best corner backs ever. The ony one I saw that was better in my opinion was Meaths Robbie O Malley. But the best player on that team , the best defender I ever saw. The Paul Mcgrath of gaelic football was Seamus Moyihan. He was like one of those great Italian soccer defenders like Baresi or Maldini. Reading of the game and positional sense second to none. When kerry won Sam in 2000. It was down to him. They had no full back. A problem area so they decided to put Moyihan in full back. It would be like putting lee Keegan in full back on a Mayo team . Keegan would like to attack. Keegan is a great wing back. But full back you need to hold your ground. And Moyihan was more a wing back. Putting him in full back was wasting his abilty. But still he gave an exhibition of full back play that year. And the two finals drawn and replay v Galway in 2000 he kept the greatest forward from Connacht in 50 years , Padraig Joyce under wraps and kerry won Sam. Joyce was the dangerman. And remeber the following year Joyce scored 11 points in All Ireland final . ( He was marked by Mark Reilly in that 01 final when he scored all those points not Darren Fay, Fay took himself of Joyce because for the first time in 6 years a forward had scored 2 points from play v Fay. Fay told Reilly to take him. And before the management noticed Joyce was scoring point after point on Reilly not Fay). I remeber Meath played kerry the following year 2001 in Meath last truly great win in Croker. While the match was one sided, the battle between Gerathy ( Meaths most naturally talented player ever) and Moyihan was some tussle. Moyihan was some player. And also Remeber Pauidi managed that kerry team at start. One of the greatest GAA legends ever. And jack o Connor record at minor under 21 senior is second to none. And Pat O Se was a very shrewd manager also. Furlong1949 (Meath) - Posts: 1067 - 24/02/2018 23:21:20 2079864 Link 0 |
@furlong yes Seamus Moynihan is my all time favourite player. Any time I ever watched him he was the standout player on the field and he never seemed to have an off day. It was a crime playing him full back but there was nobody else to play there at the time and he was one of these rare players that could play anywhere. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 24/02/2018 23:49:37 2079874 Link 1 |
Still reckon mayo were a better team than Meath in 1996 we threw it away.
Spoddgy (Mayo) - Posts: 660 - 24/02/2018 23:54:30 2079875 Link 0 |
1. The majority of gaels these days don't actually believe or partake in the ethos of the GAA that they sign up to when becoming members. WheresDeBallBag (Louth) - Posts: 458 - 25/02/2018 00:06:52 2079878 Link 1 |
You won't be the first or the last to say Tipp have underachieved since the 60s. You could have acknowledged that we have won 2 in this decade though.
Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 25/02/2018 03:02:03 2079894 Link 0 |
1 - Paul Finlay is the most naturally gifted and brilliant footballer ever Adler (Monaghan) - Posts: 754 - 25/02/2018 04:27:31 2079896 Link 0 |
Absolute nonsense. You're putting the 'fouled' player at a disadvantage. Obviously it's easier to kick from the hands so if a team doesnt have a good off the ground kicker then the opposition will keep fouling every time they are within shooting range.
JamsieMac (Cavan) - Posts: 481 - 25/02/2018 06:08:42 2079898 Link 0 |
'The league is better than the championship' is a load of nonsense. ZUL10 (Clare) - Posts: 693 - 25/02/2018 10:24:56 2079922 Link 0 |
Ah The Snapper. Long time no hear. How is she cutting? Louth's heaven is 57. An Lu Abu!
OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 12224 - 25/02/2018 12:05:29 2079947 Link 0 |
Offaly were robbed of victory the first day. Phantom free given to Clare in injury time when no foul happened. I do have sympathy for the replay been forced and the Colin Lynch affair. Very gracious people after the third game when it would have been very easy to be bitter
tonorio (Offaly) - Posts: 608 - 25/02/2018 12:48:01 2079959 Link 0 |
Ye're both right! Some great games in league and in championship (after backdoor is shut), do-or-die games for promotion or avoiding relegation or to stay in the championship. I think they should do away with division finals, avoids extra games , top 2 promoted, bottom 2 relegated and Division 1 winners win the league. Those finals often seem to disadvantage division finalists playing preliminary round in Ulster. Maybe eventually they could have the league and championship run concurrently in better weather to watch league games. Would give players more incentive to stick around during spring and summer. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7337 - 25/02/2018 13:12:54 2079965 Link 1 |