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No they had 7 as well!

Kilkenny have altered their game radically. I still think Tipp will beat them on Sunday though as they are ahead of everybody at the moment.

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 05/04/2018 09:16:53    2091180

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Replying To Pinkie:  "No they had 7 as well!

Kilkenny have altered their game radically. I still think Tipp will beat them on Sunday though as they are ahead of everybody at the moment."
Ok I wasn't aware of that to be honest.
Sunday makes for an interesting game. I know KK are missing key players but I'd be worried we are missing too many scorers to win it. I'd be fairly sure it will go down to the wire though.
KK have beaten Tipp down there already this year albeit Tipp had a weakened team out but it's a long time since we have won down there. Looking forward to it...i'd expect there to be a great atmosphere

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 2497 - 05/04/2018 10:51:16    2091199

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Replying To Pinkie:  "No they had 7 as well!

Kilkenny have altered their game radically. I still think Tipp will beat them on Sunday though as they are ahead of everybody at the moment."
Pinkie you say KK had 7 yet you say Buckley worked the ball upfield and corner back and half back spent a lot of time in Wexford half,now how were they playing 7 in defence,whatever tactics were used by both teams I think Wexford ran out of steam,they seemed tired over the last 20 mins,when they upped their game at the start of each half they had kk on the run,were they holding something in reserve or were they over trained?anyway I think they will be different in the championship

mooncat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 429 - 05/04/2018 13:55:21    2091242

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Replying To mooncat:  "Pinkie you say KK had 7 yet you say Buckley worked the ball upfield and corner back and half back spent a lot of time in Wexford half,now how were they playing 7 in defence,whatever tactics were used by both teams I think Wexford ran out of steam,they seemed tired over the last 20 mins,when they upped their game at the start of each half they had kk on the run,were they holding something in reserve or were they over trained?anyway I think they will be different in the championship"
That was my point, they had an extra man so players could bomb up the field, for the most part they had 7 though. The difference was they executed it better and their forwards hurled better and put our half backs on the back foot. That was how I saw it.
I don't honestly know, we definitely had nothing in the tank in the last 20 minutes. Maybe it was the extra week, maybe it was over trained, it is difficult to know. Few players were carrying injuries, McDonald, Chin and Aidan Nolan in particular.
Do you know mooncat if it is head to head or points difference in the championship structure? Nobody seems to know down here.
I hope we are a different proposition in the championship, because lets face it Kilkenny will be stronger with Fennelly, Murphy, Richie Hogan back.

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 05/04/2018 14:06:48    2091248

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i love the reaction to wexford/waterford losing.it is always "the system" which is the problem.
wexford spent years in 1b playing cave man hurling,no disrespect to liam dunne but we did.we had some semblance of a game plan in his last 2 years,but before that we had none.our solution was find a brawling centre forward (daithi waters) to bustle up the play,try to break even on puck outs,etc.
davy fitz arrived with a game plan,got us out of 1b after 8 years,beat kilkenny in league/championship,got us to a leinster final,survived in 1a,beat all-ireland champions.
the go out and have a bad game v kilkenny,and everybody says "oh that system is the problem" despite of kilkenny playing a very similar system.
i dont see what people think davy fitz should have done,continued to drive balls down on a half forward line which couldnt win them?
what was it einstein said,insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
the reason wexford lost to kilkenny is because kilkenny were better than them on the day and didnt turn up.the papers calling it "systems failure",etc is lazy journalism and pointing the finger at the wrong issue.there were mistakes regarding who was the extra man etc,but wexford have made massive progress in the last 2 years and sometimes the just lose to a better team.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3053 - 06/04/2018 09:20:18    2091351

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Ok I wasn't aware of that to be honest.
Sunday makes for an interesting game. I know KK are missing key players but I'd be worried we are missing too many scorers to win it. I'd be fairly sure it will go down to the wire though.
KK have beaten Tipp down there already this year albeit Tipp had a weakened team out but it's a long time since we have won down there. Looking forward to it...i'd expect there to be a great atmosphere"
Reading quotes from Michael Duignan on the homepage. He states Tipperary have scored an average of 28 points in every match and conceded 24. You's are doing alright with the best scoring average in Division 1A this season. I make it Kilkenny have scored an average of 24 points a match and conceded 22. So hopefully the weather holds up and we have another high scoring spectacle with a bit of extra time on the side!

PortInFaithful (Offaly) - Posts: 394 - 06/04/2018 15:54:05    2091430

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where were the sweepers today,

mooncat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 429 - 08/04/2018 22:11:25    2091727

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Replying To mooncat:  "where were the sweepers today,"
Well done to the Cats. They never went away. Paddy Deegan what a player.

PortInFaithful (Offaly) - Posts: 394 - 09/04/2018 12:08:23    2091815

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Looks like Brian Cody has fooled us all yet again, just when you think they might be in the doldrums for a few years, back they come yet again with another serious looking team. Okay this team is not as talented as previous Kilkenny teams, but there is very little out there to overly concern Kilkenny, and based on yesterday's performance, they will certainly be amongst the hot favourites for Liam this year. Tipperary are arguably the most talented hurling team in the country, but they just don't have that incredible desire or resolve to win, that Kilkenny always seems to have, year after year. Galway bar their win last year could probably have the same accusation levelled at them, and it will be very interesting to see if the same desire to win is there again this year, as it certainly wasn't during the league. The game between Galway and Kilkenny in Salthill on May the 27th could be season defining, if Kilkenny win, that in my mind will be Galway's season over, if Galway win it could kick start their season and set them on the way re-capturing Liam. Either way, unless Galway or Tipperary get their act together, it's very hard to see anyone stopping Kilkenny, although I wouldn't completely discount Limerick getting to a final, where they would be capable of beating anyone, bar Kilkenny.

gilly0512 (Galway) - Posts: 1176 - 09/04/2018 12:48:35    2091824

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Replying To mooncat:  "where were the sweepers today,"
at the amount of loose ball he picked up at times,i can only assume cillian buckley was playing as a sweeper or a brush or a powerwasher or whatever you want to call it.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3053 - 09/04/2018 12:54:43    2091826

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The worries I stated over the last few weeks came to pass in what was generally a poor league. Not taking from KK in saying that but they have won it with a host of names to come back.
Tipp are in a strange posiiton in that they got there with playing a number of panel fringe players all the way to and including the final. The focus now has to be to get everyone fit and get players back in their best positions. I fear opportunities were lost...in that Breen shouldve been given a game or two at full back and Barret in the corner. Lots of positives up to yesterday but as I said before, an awful lot of unknowns. The Munster cship is going to take many twists I'd guess.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 2497 - 09/04/2018 13:49:21    2091842

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Also, it's worrying for the rest of us to see that TJ REid is back to his best. Some will say he hasnt been anything but class over the last few years but I think the last two years have been quiet by his standards.
Probably the player of the league and unstopabble again yesterday.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 2497 - 09/04/2018 13:51:25    2091843

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So Tipperary join Wexford and Galway in the teams who have become a bad team overnight!!

People seem to have forgot, every team can have a bad day. It is only April and I can bet you one thing, the Tipp team when the ball is thrown in in the Munster Championship will be a different team.

Write them off at your peril. Just like I have always said about Kilkenny!

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 09/04/2018 15:31:19    2091871

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Also, it's worrying for the rest of us to see that TJ REid is back to his best. Some will say he hasnt been anything but class over the last few years but I think the last two years have been quiet by his standards.
Probably the player of the league and unstopabble again yesterday."
TJ Reid and Jason Forde are among those who are unmarkable at the moment. Hopefully they stay injury free because they are serious hurlers to watch. Kilkenny's back room team have done serious work this year. The last couple of years they've looked a bit jaded in games. Whatever tweeks they've made to their conditioning has done the business. I was among those who thought the Cats would go down this year. With Hogan, Murphy and Fennelly to come back in, they've a serious panel now. Even Holden in the corner looks a different player, he could have easily disappeared after the roasting he got in the '16 final.

Saying that I still think the young players KK have brought in are a few years from the physical condition of Galway and I fancy a Galway Tipp final this year.

Faithfull (Offaly) - Posts: 505 - 09/04/2018 15:39:48    2091876

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Replying To Pinkie:  "So Tipperary join Wexford and Galway in the teams who have become a bad team overnight!!

People seem to have forgot, every team can have a bad day. It is only April and I can bet you one thing, the Tipp team when the ball is thrown in in the Munster Championship will be a different team.

Write them off at your peril. Just like I have always said about Kilkenny!"
Not a bad team but Loughnane has some valid points too though.
Having said that, you are right, the Tipp cship team should be completely different but I'd worry that with 4 games in a row in Munster that they will be too rusty. Too many big names have had little or no game time and it would be dangerous to throw them all in together.
If we lose to Limerick then the pressure will be huge. Limerick will mostly defintely fancy their chances.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 2497 - 09/04/2018 16:33:01    2091886

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Replying To Faithfull:  "TJ Reid and Jason Forde are among those who are unmarkable at the moment. Hopefully they stay injury free because they are serious hurlers to watch. Kilkenny's back room team have done serious work this year. The last couple of years they've looked a bit jaded in games. Whatever tweeks they've made to their conditioning has done the business. I was among those who thought the Cats would go down this year. With Hogan, Murphy and Fennelly to come back in, they've a serious panel now. Even Holden in the corner looks a different player, he could have easily disappeared after the roasting he got in the '16 final.

Saying that I still think the young players KK have brought in are a few years from the physical condition of Galway and I fancy a Galway Tipp final this year."
I think we will give a good account of ourselves but Tipp and Galway would be my pick for honours this year

mooncat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 429 - 09/04/2018 16:38:31    2091889

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Replying To Faithfull:  "TJ Reid and Jason Forde are among those who are unmarkable at the moment. Hopefully they stay injury free because they are serious hurlers to watch. Kilkenny's back room team have done serious work this year. The last couple of years they've looked a bit jaded in games. Whatever tweeks they've made to their conditioning has done the business. I was among those who thought the Cats would go down this year. With Hogan, Murphy and Fennelly to come back in, they've a serious panel now. Even Holden in the corner looks a different player, he could have easily disappeared after the roasting he got in the '16 final.

Saying that I still think the young players KK have brought in are a few years from the physical condition of Galway and I fancy a Galway Tipp final this year."
I think we will give a good account of ourselves but Tipp and Galway would be my pick for honours this year

mooncat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 429 - 09/04/2018 16:38:45    2091891

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and the gaa's "jump to conclusions" culture in the media continues.depending on the time of year
- kilkenny are relegation fodder
- galway are preparing for september.
- short passing games,sweepers,etc do not work and waterford and wexford need to stop playing it (until kilkenny start using it,then it is lauded as "the modern way of hurling")
- tipp are flying,and dont miss callinan,etc at all
- tipp are rubbish and need callinan,etc back.

there must be more "jump to conclusions" i have missed.

ah,hurling analysis,dont ever change.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3053 - 10/04/2018 09:46:59    2092006

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Replying To perfect10:  "and the gaa's "jump to conclusions" culture in the media continues.depending on the time of year
- kilkenny are relegation fodder
- galway are preparing for september.
- short passing games,sweepers,etc do not work and waterford and wexford need to stop playing it (until kilkenny start using it,then it is lauded as "the modern way of hurling")
- tipp are flying,and dont miss callinan,etc at all
- tipp are rubbish and need callinan,etc back.

there must be more "jump to conclusions" i have missed.

ah,hurling analysis,dont ever change."
I disagree with your sweeper argument, I don't think Kilkenny use a sweeper in the same vein as Wexford and Waterford. Wexford and Waterford leave a man back for the whole game who can be seen as an obvious sweeper. Kilkenny seem to let their half forwards come back and defend but then all of a sudden they are up the field scoring and supporting the attack. Example in the KK Wexford game Walter Walsh was down defending but then popped up and got a goal down the other end. Also KK threw the short game out the window in the second half and launched long ball into Walsh so in essence the short game wasn't working against Tipp in the first half.

Faithfull (Offaly) - Posts: 505 - 10/04/2018 10:24:53    2092018

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They got a goal at the start of the second half though, once a team does that, opposition on the ropes and with big Walter in there, wouldn't you drive more long ball in to him? Kilkenny smelt blood and went for the jugular. But there was still plenty of times when their corner and wing backs were way up the field.
Maybe my perception of the game was wrong, it is harder on TV but to me too it seemed Cillian Buckley seemed to be so loose a lot of the time that he must have been a spare man.
Tommy Walsh alluded to the same point on Off The Ball though.
People also forget that Wexford even don't always play a sweeper, in the second half v Galway we had 6 forwards.
The game is evolving, and positions are not what they were, but ultimately the best XV will still win the match.

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 10/04/2018 11:01:57    2092024

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