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Replying To PortInFaithful:  "True. We will know more when we see the line outs. Would you see Barrett as a viable option at midfield alongside Brendan Maher?"
He regularly plays further forward for the club and has been known to play centre forward but personally I'd like to see him having more game time there to give you a proper answer to that. If fit, Brendan Maher is first choice. If the league is anything to go by then he could well be joined by Ronan Maher there. Personally I'd play him at 6 tho and Paudie at 7 but Paudie looks like he will be 6 this year. I'm not sure Ryan knows himself yet who will line out where.
My guess would be Barrett will end up back in one of the corners before the year is out and possibly start on the bench in the first round of the cship.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 29/03/2018 17:15:42    2089385

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The Cody doubters have been fairly well silenced now! After 3 losses (Walsh Cup incl), they've now won 5 on the bounce! Some of the past KK players who criticsied these lads are gone fairly quiet now. The KK wins over the year was always 90% hard work and they have that back now again. Despite everyone and myself included disagreeing with playing Walsh and Buckley "out of position", he has stuck with it and built a team around them.
They may not win the All Ireladn this year but they might not be far away either. Tipp don't win in Nowlan Park so a League win is fairly probable.
Tipp will take positives from Saturday but personally I'm a bit worried that Ryan doesnt know his strongest team. How could he? There's a number of players being moved around in every game. They've taken a lot from the League but Saturday threw up a lot of questions for me. I'd argue that there's a chance by the end of the Munster cship that neither midfielders will play in them positions and if Callinan comes back only John McGrath might start and that in the corner. Plenty of talent at his disposal or plenty of rusty starters? Remains to be seen,
Wexford were the big losers from the weekend. the old failings came back to haunt them and when cship time and pace starts to come around, we usually see that these "systems" won't win you very much. That's my own opinion anyway

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 03/04/2018 11:06:12    2090579

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Yeah Cody seems to have now gotten a good blend of youth & experience working for the team. They've also adapted their playing style a lot. Half forwards & midfielders dropping back to help the defence then intelligent short passes to work the ball back up the field into scoring positions.

I'd say Tipp would love to win the league in Nowlan Park so it should be a great final.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 03/04/2018 14:28:20    2090674

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Replying To keeper7:  "
Replying To Fairplayalways:  "[quote=keeper7:  "[quote=Soma:  "[quote=keeper7:  "[quote=Soma:  "[quote=keeper7:  "[quote=Suas Sios:  "[quote=keeper7:  "I think Mayo have already qualified for the division final so they might not go 100% at it. Maybe rest Keith Higgins or that. Down don't often lose playing on the Ards.

The league is gone for us. We've a limited panel & injuries to vital players is costing us. Have you seen this article?
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Wow, I had no idea the pick of players was so slim in your county. I commend the efforts of those who keep their clubs and the sport itself alive down there."
Not sure where the 62 figure came from. One club here had a panel of 30 last year & the other 2 surely had must've had 20-25 players each. The CB do hurling no favours & even refuse to print county players' hurling clubs on match programmes, instead insisting on printing their football club."]I spoke to a Longford hurler a number of years back who told me between emigration and retirement 1e of the panel from the previous year was unavailable. That just shows how difficult it can be and its a small group of die-hard who keep the show on the road.
Looking at the tables next year either Derry or Armagh will be playing in a division below Warwickshire or Louth. I can remember Derry putting in decent displays in the Liam McCarthy at Croke Park, and Armagh were a growing force at one stage too. It's sad to see how far they are both falling. It looks like we could have a British derby next year too if Warwickshire beat Louth and London lose to Kildare."]Greetings Soma, my old kindred spirit. London can't be relegated - Kildare automatically go down. There's a good chance that Warwickshire & Lancashire will win promotion, however. While that's all fine & dandy, what's happening to the counties you mentioned? In fairness to Derry, they've been without the Slaughtneil hurlers all season so far."]Right you are about relegation from 2a keeper, I wonder why that division is different to the rest? Relegation for Kildare is a real blow after some recent successes, though I know some point to outside assistance there. The sides that seem to have underperformed most this year were Derry, Armagh and Roscommon. I believe there were 500 people at a league double header in Celtic Park earlier this year, and 3000 people at a schools football game in the county the same month. Adult GAA seems to be struggling badly in some places.
Mayo have probably been a side who performed above expectations, having Higgins available will have helped there in terms of his contribution on the field and the lift he would have given the squad."]Relegation from Div 3A was automatic too."]God be with the early to mid 1980's when Offaly and Tipp were in Division 2 of the NHL and of a Sunday evening we would hear results like Offaly 1-14 Kildare 0-12 and Tipperary 1-17 Westmeath 0-12 the next week...I remember Derry playing in Croke park in hurling too..Geoffrey McGonigle and Seamus Downey giving great displays be in on the losing team..Armagh were knocking on the door too as were Roscommon...Down really made serious strides some years back with Noel Sands, Greg Blayney etc....Meath had a good side too with Massey and Ferguson at midfield...I dont know hurling was more balanced back then...no disrespect to them but the teams above would get blown out the gate against the modern ultra fit Division 1A and some of the Division 1B teams....not forgetting Antrim when they were alot stronger and Westmeath and David Kilcoyne and a fellah named Jackson from what I remember...its all so professional now with warm ups and downs and sponsorship and trackers on players etc..give me the old structure and late 70's and early to mid 80's..the League Finals of 1982, 3 and 1984- Limerick and Wexford (Clare and Galway was a novel pairing in 1985)..times were simple then and no TG4 for live matches..it was radio one for the games and Sunday Sport on TV of Sunday night where we seemed to see most of the action - not the "blink and you miss it" coverage we get now..."]I enjoyed that!"]That Meath midfield had serious horse power where was Ford and David Brown playing.

dubarra (Wicklow) - Posts: 541 - 03/04/2018 20:09:56    2090806

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Replying To keeper7:  "Yeah Cody seems to have now gotten a good blend of youth & experience working for the team. They've also adapted their playing style a lot. Half forwards & midfielders dropping back to help the defence then intelligent short passes to work the ball back up the field into scoring positions.

I'd say Tipp would love to win the league in Nowlan Park so it should be a great final."
It should be a great final. Hard to know who to pick. I'd take Tipp in a close one. If KK are going to win they better take care of that Jason Forde. He's really come into his own this year.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2111 - 03/04/2018 23:39:04    2090869

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Replying To Trump2020:  "It should be a great final. Hard to know who to pick. I'd take Tipp in a close one. If KK are going to win they better take care of that Jason Forde. He's really come into his own this year."
KK may have the man to manage him tho! I'll wait to see what teams are named before picking a winner but surely Ryan will go as close to full strength and a cship team as he can....
From the last day I'd hope to see Bubbles and J McGrath in the full forward line either side of Forde (although McGrath has been excellent on the wing - which some people might say is his natural position). Brendan Maher back at midfield and play someone at 7 who is likely to play their in the cship as Paudie looks like he will be at 6 this year.
Hopefully see some of Callinan, O'Meara, Bonner, Noel McGrath or McCormack getting some game time on Sunday but apparently most of those arent back for another while yet, but they will be needed if Tipp are to go anywhere this year.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 04/04/2018 08:47:27    2090901

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Replying To tiobraid:  "He regularly plays further forward for the club and has been known to play centre forward but personally I'd like to see him having more game time there to give you a proper answer to that. If fit, Brendan Maher is first choice. If the league is anything to go by then he could well be joined by Ronan Maher there. Personally I'd play him at 6 tho and Paudie at 7 but Paudie looks like he will be 6 this year. I'm not sure Ryan knows himself yet who will line out where.
My guess would be Barrett will end up back in one of the corners before the year is out and possibly start on the bench in the first round of the cship."
Another solid display from Alan Flynn at corner back. He has been the find of the league for Tipp? THAT sideline cut from Ronan Maher will surely be in the end of season highlights reel. Pure class.

PortInFaithful (Offaly) - Posts: 472 - 04/04/2018 12:02:33    2090973

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Replying To keeper7:  "Yeah Cody seems to have now gotten a good blend of youth & experience working for the team. They've also adapted their playing style a lot. Half forwards & midfielders dropping back to help the defence then intelligent short passes to work the ball back up the field into scoring positions.

I'd say Tipp would love to win the league in Nowlan Park so it should be a great final."
It should be a cracker indeed. Tipperary haven't beaten Kilkenny in Nowlan Park in 10 years.

PortInFaithful (Offaly) - Posts: 472 - 04/04/2018 12:06:20    2090977

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Replying To PortInFaithful:  "Another solid display from Alan Flynn at corner back. He has been the find of the league for Tipp? THAT sideline cut from Ronan Maher will surely be in the end of season highlights reel. Pure class."
Find of the League for sure and it was an obvious posiiton Tipp needed to strengthen for the future. Cship is a whole diff ball game though and he has some older experienced competition to deal with in Cahill, Donagh Maher and Barrett. He will have to stay at the top of his game to hold that jersey for the duration of Tipp's season

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 04/04/2018 14:28:40    2091029

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Replying To PortInFaithful:  "Another solid display from Alan Flynn at corner back. He has been the find of the league for Tipp? THAT sideline cut from Ronan Maher will surely be in the end of season highlights reel. Pure class."
nothing in the league is ever in the highlight reel

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 04/04/2018 14:59:27    2091040

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Replying To tiobraid:  "KK may have the man to manage him tho! I'll wait to see what teams are named before picking a winner but surely Ryan will go as close to full strength and a cship team as he can....
From the last day I'd hope to see Bubbles and J McGrath in the full forward line either side of Forde (although McGrath has been excellent on the wing - which some people might say is his natural position). Brendan Maher back at midfield and play someone at 7 who is likely to play their in the cship as Paudie looks like he will be at 6 this year.
Hopefully see some of Callinan, O'Meara, Bonner, Noel McGrath or McCormack getting some game time on Sunday but apparently most of those arent back for another while yet, but they will be needed if Tipp are to go anywhere this year."
Where you gonna start Ronan Maher then? Midfield?

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 04/04/2018 15:27:49    2091050

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Replying To dubarra:  "
Replying To keeper7:  "[quote=Fairplayalways:  "[quote=keeper7:  "[quote=Soma:  "[quote=keeper7:  "[quote=Soma:  "[quote=keeper7:  "[quote=Suas Sios:  "[quote=keeper7:  "I think Mayo have already qualified for the division final so they might not go 100% at it. Maybe rest Keith Higgins or that. Down don't often lose playing on the Ards.

The league is gone for us. We've a limited panel & injuries to vital players is costing us. Have you seen this article?
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Wow, I had no idea the pick of players was so slim in your county. I commend the efforts of those who keep their clubs and the sport itself alive down there."
Not sure where the 62 figure came from. One club here had a panel of 30 last year & the other 2 surely had must've had 20-25 players each. The CB do hurling no favours & even refuse to print county players' hurling clubs on match programmes, instead insisting on printing their football club."]I spoke to a Longford hurler a number of years back who told me between emigration and retirement 1e of the panel from the previous year was unavailable. That just shows how difficult it can be and its a small group of die-hard who keep the show on the road.
Looking at the tables next year either Derry or Armagh will be playing in a division below Warwickshire or Louth. I can remember Derry putting in decent displays in the Liam McCarthy at Croke Park, and Armagh were a growing force at one stage too. It's sad to see how far they are both falling. It looks like we could have a British derby next year too if Warwickshire beat Louth and London lose to Kildare."]Greetings Soma, my old kindred spirit. London can't be relegated - Kildare automatically go down. There's a good chance that Warwickshire & Lancashire will win promotion, however. While that's all fine & dandy, what's happening to the counties you mentioned? In fairness to Derry, they've been without the Slaughtneil hurlers all season so far."]Right you are about relegation from 2a keeper, I wonder why that division is different to the rest? Relegation for Kildare is a real blow after some recent successes, though I know some point to outside assistance there. The sides that seem to have underperformed most this year were Derry, Armagh and Roscommon. I believe there were 500 people at a league double header in Celtic Park earlier this year, and 3000 people at a schools football game in the county the same month. Adult GAA seems to be struggling badly in some places.
Mayo have probably been a side who performed above expectations, having Higgins available will have helped there in terms of his contribution on the field and the lift he would have given the squad."]Relegation from Div 3A was automatic too."]God be with the early to mid 1980's when Offaly and Tipp were in Division 2 of the NHL and of a Sunday evening we would hear results like Offaly 1-14 Kildare 0-12 and Tipperary 1-17 Westmeath 0-12 the next week...I remember Derry playing in Croke park in hurling too..Geoffrey McGonigle and Seamus Downey giving great displays be in on the losing team..Armagh were knocking on the door too as were Roscommon...Down really made serious strides some years back with Noel Sands, Greg Blayney etc....Meath had a good side too with Massey and Ferguson at midfield...I dont know hurling was more balanced back then...no disrespect to them but the teams above would get blown out the gate against the modern ultra fit Division 1A and some of the Division 1B teams....not forgetting Antrim when they were alot stronger and Westmeath and David Kilcoyne and a fellah named Jackson from what I remember...its all so professional now with warm ups and downs and sponsorship and trackers on players etc..give me the old structure and late 70's and early to mid 80's..the League Finals of 1982, 3 and 1984- Limerick and Wexford (Clare and Galway was a novel pairing in 1985)..times were simple then and no TG4 for live matches..it was radio one for the games and Sunday Sport on TV of Sunday night where we seemed to see most of the action - not the "blink and you miss it" coverage we get now..."]I enjoyed that!"]That Meath midfield had serious horse power where was Ford and David Brown playing."]God These posts are getting very mixed up I wouldn't have the patience to type something that long

dubarra (Wicklow) - Posts: 541 - 04/04/2018 15:48:33    2091059

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Replying To perfect10:  "nothing in the league is ever in the highlight reel"
True. The sideline cut should be an exception. An outrageous piece of skill.

PortInFaithful (Offaly) - Posts: 472 - 04/04/2018 16:42:46    2091081

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Find of the League for sure and it was an obvious posiiton Tipp needed to strengthen for the future. Cship is a whole diff ball game though and he has some older experienced competition to deal with in Cahill, Donagh Maher and Barrett. He will have to stay at the top of his game to hold that jersey for the duration of Tipp's season"
Michael Cahill injured is he? A lot of hurling to be played but Tipp do have lots of options.

PortInFaithful (Offaly) - Posts: 472 - 04/04/2018 16:45:36    2091082

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Replying To PortInFaithful:  "Michael Cahill injured is he? A lot of hurling to be played but Tipp do have lots of options."
No he played the last day.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 04/04/2018 16:56:02    2091088

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Replying To keeper7:  "Where you gonna start Ronan Maher then? Midfield?"
I dont pick the team ;)
If I did I'd play him at 6 and Paudie at 7.
Looks like he will play midfield tho (early in the cship) as he has played very little at half back during the league (before the second half the last day)
With the chopping and changing to date its impossible to predict most posiitons tho

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 04/04/2018 17:01:26    2091090

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Replying To tiobraid:  "No he played the last day."
My bad.

PortInFaithful (Offaly) - Posts: 472 - 04/04/2018 17:26:23    2091102

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Replying To tiobraid:  "The Cody doubters have been fairly well silenced now! After 3 losses (Walsh Cup incl), they've now won 5 on the bounce! Some of the past KK players who criticsied these lads are gone fairly quiet now. The KK wins over the year was always 90% hard work and they have that back now again. Despite everyone and myself included disagreeing with playing Walsh and Buckley "out of position", he has stuck with it and built a team around them.
They may not win the All Ireladn this year but they might not be far away either. Tipp don't win in Nowlan Park so a League win is fairly probable.
Tipp will take positives from Saturday but personally I'm a bit worried that Ryan doesnt know his strongest team. How could he? There's a number of players being moved around in every game. They've taken a lot from the League but Saturday threw up a lot of questions for me. I'd argue that there's a chance by the end of the Munster cship that neither midfielders will play in them positions and if Callinan comes back only John McGrath might start and that in the corner. Plenty of talent at his disposal or plenty of rusty starters? Remains to be seen,
Wexford were the big losers from the weekend. the old failings came back to haunt them and when cship time and pace starts to come around, we usually see that these "systems" won't win you very much. That's my own opinion anyway"
The game Kilkenny have clearly worked on since the start of the league, was very similar to Wexford if you go back and look at the game. They played an extra man in defence (Cillian Buckley, madness by Wexford to leave him at it), worked the ball up the field with short passing, Paddy Deegan was corner back and Morrissey at wing back spent loads of time in Wexford half.

Is it only a "system" when Wexford or Waterford use it and something to be looked down on? From my point of view, Kilkenny had a similar game plan but just executed it better.

People talk of 15 v 15 and no tactics and all this nonsense like thinking differently about the game is a complete no-no, when did anybody last see 3 men in a full forward line inside the 21 throughout the match? Wexford lack 2-3 top forwards at the moment so our best chance is to try work the ball up the pitch, that is why we won't win much not because of any system.

In the Galway Wexford match, Joe Cooney spent most of his time in his own half, as an extra man. He destroyed us at full forward last year in Leinster Final. Why was there no criticism of that "system" or does that not count as a system because it is Galway?

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 04/04/2018 18:53:16    2091125

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Replying To Pinkie:  "The game Kilkenny have clearly worked on since the start of the league, was very similar to Wexford if you go back and look at the game. They played an extra man in defence (Cillian Buckley, madness by Wexford to leave him at it), worked the ball up the field with short passing, Paddy Deegan was corner back and Morrissey at wing back spent loads of time in Wexford half.

Is it only a "system" when Wexford or Waterford use it and something to be looked down on? From my point of view, Kilkenny had a similar game plan but just executed it better.

People talk of 15 v 15 and no tactics and all this nonsense like thinking differently about the game is a complete no-no, when did anybody last see 3 men in a full forward line inside the 21 throughout the match? Wexford lack 2-3 top forwards at the moment so our best chance is to try work the ball up the pitch, that is why we won't win much not because of any system.

In the Galway Wexford match, Joe Cooney spent most of his time in his own half, as an extra man. He destroyed us at full forward last year in Leinster Final. Why was there no criticism of that "system" or does that not count as a system because it is Galway?"
True when Waterford play a sweeper the vitriol that is dished out against them on some of these sites is unreal. However if you analyze the game and see the amount of times DeBurca leaps up with three opposition and comes down with the ball in his hand you can see what a player he is. His game is not all about "sweeping" and his distribution when under pressure as well as in the open is excellent. Still in hie early 20's as time moves on you will see him as a full back.
If he was a Wexford, Tipp, Cat or any other county I would say the same.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2653 - 04/04/2018 21:31:20    2091151

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Replying To Pinkie:  "The game Kilkenny have clearly worked on since the start of the league, was very similar to Wexford if you go back and look at the game. They played an extra man in defence (Cillian Buckley, madness by Wexford to leave him at it), worked the ball up the field with short passing, Paddy Deegan was corner back and Morrissey at wing back spent loads of time in Wexford half.

Is it only a "system" when Wexford or Waterford use it and something to be looked down on? From my point of view, Kilkenny had a similar game plan but just executed it better.

People talk of 15 v 15 and no tactics and all this nonsense like thinking differently about the game is a complete no-no, when did anybody last see 3 men in a full forward line inside the 21 throughout the match? Wexford lack 2-3 top forwards at the moment so our best chance is to try work the ball up the pitch, that is why we won't win much not because of any system.

In the Galway Wexford match, Joe Cooney spent most of his time in his own half, as an extra man. He destroyed us at full forward last year in Leinster Final. Why was there no criticism of that "system" or does that not count as a system because it is Galway?"
Did kk not play with 6 backs compared to Wexford's 7? Surely Buckley was only free because of the wexford system?

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 04/04/2018 22:21:31    2091160

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