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Can the GAA withstand the PR from other sports?

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Basking in the soccer teams failure is hardly the way forward for GAA.

On the contrary, there should be a lot more cooperation around the country in terms of facilities, scheduling of training and even joint training when fitness work etc needs to be done. The danger to the GAA and all sports is not other sports................it is the drop out of players to the couch and the pub as they go through their teens. Getting more people active will rise all boats.

There will always be the fight for the star player who is good at everything but too often this focus conditions all other thinking. How do you stop the drop off in playing numbers......tough question. Better facilities (could be achieved by pooling resources), integrate training with other clubs/schools etc so not everyone is dragging out of the young lad, better qualified coaches etc.

When it comes to increasing attendances raising the price of the season ticket hardly helps. As far as I can see it is cheaper to bring my 5 year old without a season ticket as they are free in. His ticket would cost €30. Not much advantage to me either. I might be marginally better off if I go to every game but will be worse off if i miss 1! This will not encourage anyone outside of the diehards. It won't bring new blood to the game.

Also facilities on match days are rubbish. go to Connacht Rugby and look how they improved their attendances from 2-300 a few years ago to averaging over 6000 now. Plenty of tea and coffee or beer available. Lots of food options. Clean toilets. Great atmosphere before kick off with music etc introducing teams.

To me the GAA seem to take their position for granted. Maybe if county boards got to keep the revenue they generated on match days there would be a bigger incentive to get the finger out.

Mayonman (Galway) - 17/11/2017 13:35:01    2062872

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The media love rugby. Love it. How can they justify having so much coverage of a sport that is probably 4th or 5th in this country in terms of playing numbers?

11jm11 (Kildare) - 25/11/2017 08:54:39    2063508

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Replying To 11jm11:  "The media love rugby. Love it. How can they justify having so much coverage of a sport that is probably 4th or 5th in this country in terms of playing numbers?"
Where do you get 4th or 5th in terms f playing numbers? Gaelic, soccer, hurling but what else?
It's the biggest pro team sport where players are based in the country and the Irish teams are relatively successful
And the media don't show much rugby on TV. Rte don't have any rugby live after this game until next November bar whatever club rugby games they show as they've lost the 6 nations coverage.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - 25/11/2017 12:23:53    2063517

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Replying To ormondbannerman:  "Where do you get 4th or 5th in terms f playing numbers? Gaelic, soccer, hurling but what else?
It's the biggest pro team sport where players are based in the country and the Irish teams are relatively successful
And the media don't show much rugby on TV. Rte don't have any rugby live after this game until next November bar whatever club rugby games they show as they've lost the 6 nations coverage."
Gaelic Football, Soccer and Hurling are 3 ahead in numbers, while i would bet Basketball and Athletics are ahead of Rugby in terms of playing numbers also. So 6th I would say.

conordee (Galway) - 25/11/2017 16:10:28    2063532

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I don't like rugby as a sport. I dislike many Leinster fans, private school types who look down their noses at the GAA.

It still irritates me some of the pettiness shown when discussing rugby on here.

The GAA can learn a lot about promotion from rugby.

Every game matters in rugby. We need to continue to grow the league and get it meaning more.

There competitions like the 6 nations and World Cup are better than the championship at building and growing excitement. Hopefully this will improve with the changes to the championship where things are going to be played off more sharply. Further improvement could still be made.

They have a selling point that they cultivate around. The gentleman's game. How they manage to maintain that image I don't know. Dylan Hartley alone should have seen that fall to bits. There's plenty of other eye gouging, punching, stamping and bending of the rules to breaking point at every contest for possession that gets washed over. They've a selling point they're using for their product and their broadcasters don't go out of their way to hurt that. GAA needs to develop their own selling point and get the media on board with it. It's in their interests too to sell the games.

GAA needs to respect the referees more. It's a bad look that we don't.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - 25/11/2017 20:10:54    2063548

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Replying To conordee:  "Gaelic Football, Soccer and Hurling are 3 ahead in numbers, while i would bet Basketball and Athletics are ahead of Rugby in terms of playing numbers also. So 6th I would say."
Fair point Conor though I haven't a clue about the numbers. Basketball is still very popular in schools. Used to play myself in the 80! Not sure how much is played in clubs competitively. Athletics is one sport we rarely talk about on here. Not so much team based as others but still plenty of participants. Arguably anyone out jogging to get fit is participating in athletics. Rugby is growing amongst schools, men's and rugby. Are there any recent figures based on participants for all sports?

GreenandRed (Mayo) - 26/11/2017 05:56:16    2063559

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Replying To conordee:  "Gaelic Football, Soccer and Hurling are 3 ahead in numbers, while i would bet Basketball and Athletics are ahead of Rugby in terms of playing numbers also. So 6th I would say."
Where im from i would definitely have horse racing/ riding / showjumping ahead of rugby in terms of popularity..

11jm11 (Kildare) - 26/11/2017 08:48:56    2063560

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Replying To 11jm11:  "Where im from i would definitely have horse racing/ riding / showjumping ahead of rugby in terms of popularity.."
Are you from around Allenwood/Naas/Kildare direction? There's plenty of rugby clubs in Kildare but horse racing is surely the most popular spectator sport in the county if not the country. Plus it brings in serious money, not just at the races but in the studfarms of Kildare.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - 26/11/2017 15:47:27    2063594

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I don't like rugby as a sport. I dislike many Leinster fans, private school types who look down their noses at the GAA. It still irritates me some of the pettiness shown when discussing rugby on here. The GAA can learn a lot about promotion from rugby. Every game matters in rugby. We need to continue to grow the league and get it meaning more. There competitions like the 6 nations and World Cup are better than the championship at building and growing excitement. Hopefully this will improve with the changes to the championship where things are going to be played off more sharply. Further improvement could still be made. They have a selling point that they cultivate around. The gentleman's game. How they manage to maintain that image I don't know. Dylan Hartley alone should have seen that fall to bits. There's plenty of other eye gouging, punching, stamping and bending of the rules to breaking point at every contest for possession that gets washed over. They've a selling point they're using for their product and their broadcasters don't go out of their way to hurt that. GAA needs to develop their own selling point and get the media on board with it. It's in their interests too to sell the games. GAA needs to respect the referees more. It's a bad look that we don't.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - 25/11/2017 20:10:54
Huge proportion of Leinster fans dont act like that and never set foot in a fee paying school ever and do many look down on GAA?
Rugby gets far more abuse online and from certain sports journalists than other way round
Rugby getting coverage as gentlemens game has always been way. Way in general people act towards each other on pitch.
As old saying goes "Soccer is a gentleman's game played by hooligans while rugby is a hooligans game played by gentlemen"
The eye gouging, stamping etc in rugby is far from washed over and its part of the game that the laws are bent to your advantage and its a reason rugby has Laws and not rules.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - 26/11/2017 18:05:02    2063633

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Are you from around Allenwood/Naas/Kildare direction? There's plenty of rugby clubs in Kildare but horse racing is surely the most popular spectator sport in the county if not the country. Plus it brings in serious money, not just at the races but in the studfarms of Kildare."
The vast majority of rugby in kildare is in naas. I definitely would not consider rugby to be popular in allenwood. There are about 55 gaa clubs in kildare and 8 or 9 rugby clubs.

11jm11 (Kildare) - 26/11/2017 18:24:48    2063635

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Replying To 11jm11:  "The vast majority of rugby in kildare is in naas. I definitely would not consider rugby to be popular in allenwood. There are about 55 gaa clubs in kildare and 8 or 9 rugby clubs."
Sure I know that. I used to live in Maynooth. I was wondering if that area around Kildare, Naas, The Curragh, Punchestown the biggest percentage of racing enthusiasts?

GreenandRed (Mayo) - 27/11/2017 11:36:15    2063745

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Replying To ormondbannerman:  "I don't like rugby as a sport. I dislike many Leinster fans, private school types who look down their noses at the GAA. It still irritates me some of the pettiness shown when discussing rugby on here. The GAA can learn a lot about promotion from rugby. Every game matters in rugby. We need to continue to grow the league and get it meaning more. There competitions like the 6 nations and World Cup are better than the championship at building and growing excitement. Hopefully this will improve with the changes to the championship where things are going to be played off more sharply. Further improvement could still be made. They have a selling point that they cultivate around. The gentleman's game. How they manage to maintain that image I don't know. Dylan Hartley alone should have seen that fall to bits. There's plenty of other eye gouging, punching, stamping and bending of the rules to breaking point at every contest for possession that gets washed over. They've a selling point they're using for their product and their broadcasters don't go out of their way to hurt that. GAA needs to develop their own selling point and get the media on board with it. It's in their interests too to sell the games. GAA needs to respect the referees more. It's a bad look that we don't.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - 25/11/2017 20:10:54
Huge proportion of Leinster fans dont act like that and never set foot in a fee paying school ever and do many look down on GAA?
Rugby gets far more abuse online and from certain sports journalists than other way round
Rugby getting coverage as gentlemens game has always been way. Way in general people act towards each other on pitch.
As old saying goes "Soccer is a gentleman's game played by hooligans while rugby is a hooligans game played by gentlemen"
The eye gouging, stamping etc in rugby is far from washed over and its part of the game that the laws are bent to your advantage and its a reason rugby has Laws and not rules."
Interesting observation. What is the difference between a law and a rule that allows one to bent and the other presumably not?

Soma (UK) - 27/11/2017 11:59:07    2063755

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Replying To Soma:  "
Replying To ormondbannerman:  "I don't like rugby as a sport. I dislike many Leinster fans, private school types who look down their noses at the GAA. It still irritates me some of the pettiness shown when discussing rugby on here. The GAA can learn a lot about promotion from rugby. Every game matters in rugby. We need to continue to grow the league and get it meaning more. There competitions like the 6 nations and World Cup are better than the championship at building and growing excitement. Hopefully this will improve with the changes to the championship where things are going to be played off more sharply. Further improvement could still be made. They have a selling point that they cultivate around. The gentleman's game. How they manage to maintain that image I don't know. Dylan Hartley alone should have seen that fall to bits. There's plenty of other eye gouging, punching, stamping and bending of the rules to breaking point at every contest for possession that gets washed over. They've a selling point they're using for their product and their broadcasters don't go out of their way to hurt that. GAA needs to develop their own selling point and get the media on board with it. It's in their interests too to sell the games. GAA needs to respect the referees more. It's a bad look that we don't.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - 25/11/2017 20:10:54
Huge proportion of Leinster fans dont act like that and never set foot in a fee paying school ever and do many look down on GAA?
Rugby gets far more abuse online and from certain sports journalists than other way round
Rugby getting coverage as gentlemens game has always been way. Way in general people act towards each other on pitch.
As old saying goes "Soccer is a gentleman's game played by hooligans while rugby is a hooligans game played by gentlemen"
The eye gouging, stamping etc in rugby is far from washed over and its part of the game that the laws are bent to your advantage and its a reason rugby has Laws and not rules."
Interesting observation. What is the difference between a law and a rule that allows one to bent and the other presumably not?"
Offside? Holding an opponents hands in the ruck to stop him getting back up unto the line? Raking on the hand tryikng to hold your team-mate in the ruck? Rugby is about breaking the laws as much as you can to gain an advantage, without being seen to be breaking the laws.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - 27/11/2017 16:33:35    2063802

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The vast majority of rugby in kildare is in naas. I definitely would not consider rugby to be popular in allenwood. There are about 55 gaa clubs in kildare and 8 or 9 rugby clubs.
11jm11 (Kildare) - 26/11/2017


7 in total. Too bold a statement to say Naas GAA would have more members than the 7 rugby clubs combined?


Sure I know that. I used to live in Maynooth. I was wondering if that area around Kildare, Naas, The Curragh, Punchestown the biggest percentage of racing enthusiasts?
GreenandRed (Mayo) - 27/11/2017


If you're including Newbridge and Naas then it's hard to imagine that no being the case. Based purely on attendance then horse racing could well be the biggest sport in the county.

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - 27/11/2017 17:23:35    2063808

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Yes GreenandRed all them things happen and more, in fact I'd say cheating in rugby is worse than most other sports with some incredible unsporting examples recently. Just curious as to what difference there is between laws and rules in a sporting context?

Soma (UK) - 28/11/2017 10:59:51    2063877

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Yes GreenandRed all them things happen and more, in fact I'd say cheating in rugby is worse than most other sports with some incredible unsporting examples recently. Just curious as to what difference there is between laws and rules in a sporting context?

Soma (UK) - 28/11/2017


Depends whether you're a gentleman or a thug apparently...

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - 28/11/2017 11:35:53    2063880

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Replying To if_in_doubt:  "The vast majority of rugby in kildare is in naas. I definitely would not consider rugby to be popular in allenwood. There are about 55 gaa clubs in kildare and 8 or 9 rugby clubs.
11jm11 (Kildare) - 26/11/2017


7 in total. Too bold a statement to say Naas GAA would have more members than the 7 rugby clubs combined?


Sure I know that. I used to live in Maynooth. I was wondering if that area around Kildare, Naas, The Curragh, Punchestown the biggest percentage of racing enthusiasts?
GreenandRed (Mayo) - 27/11/2017


If you're including Newbridge and Naas then it's hard to imagine that no being the case. Based purely on attendance then horse racing could well be the biggest sport in the county."
Might even qualify as the only sport in the county!!!

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - 28/11/2017 12:23:06    2063882

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "
Replying To if_in_doubt:  "The vast majority of rugby in kildare is in naas. I definitely would not consider rugby to be popular in allenwood. There are about 55 gaa clubs in kildare and 8 or 9 rugby clubs.
11jm11 (Kildare) - 26/11/2017


7 in total. Too bold a statement to say Naas GAA would have more members than the 7 rugby clubs combined?


Sure I know that. I used to live in Maynooth. I was wondering if that area around Kildare, Naas, The Curragh, Punchestown the biggest percentage of racing enthusiasts?
GreenandRed (Mayo) - 27/11/2017


If you're including Newbridge and Naas then it's hard to imagine that no being the case. Based purely on attendance then horse racing could well be the biggest sport in the county."
Might even qualify as the only sport in the county!!!"
Your theory intrigues me and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - 28/11/2017 12:37:33    2063886

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Replying To if_in_doubt:  "Yes GreenandRed all them things happen and more, in fact I'd say cheating in rugby is worse than most other sports with some incredible unsporting examples recently. Just curious as to what difference there is between laws and rules in a sporting context?

Soma (UK) - 28/11/2017


Depends whether you're a gentleman or a thug apparently..."
Not at all. Plenty of bending and breaking laws when a ref is unaware without resorting to thuggery. Breaking a rule is less serious than breaking a law. It's a good question though re rugby rules or laws, I have no clue why It's like that. It's been rugby laws and not rules for a long time. A hooker at home used to bind with one arm, using his free hand to stop the opposing front row seeing the ball put in. More humorous than malicious!

GreenandRed (Mayo) - 28/11/2017 16:30:47    2063908

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "
Replying To if_in_doubt:  "Yes GreenandRed all them things happen and more, in fact I'd say cheating in rugby is worse than most other sports with some incredible unsporting examples recently. Just curious as to what difference there is between laws and rules in a sporting context?

Soma (UK) - 28/11/2017


Depends whether you're a gentleman or a thug apparently..."
Not at all. Plenty of bending and breaking laws when a ref is unaware without resorting to thuggery. Breaking a rule is less serious than breaking a law. It's a good question though re rugby rules or laws, I have no clue why It's like that. It's been rugby laws and not rules for a long time. A hooker at home used to bind with one arm, using his free hand to stop the opposing front row seeing the ball put in. More humorous than malicious!"
Rugby, soccer and cricket all have laws rather than rules. The reality is it makes no difference whether they are called laws or rules, just some people think it gives a sport more gravitas if they say laws rather than rules.

Soma (UK) - 28/11/2017 17:49:14    2063923

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