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2018 league positions will determine what tier of competition your county is in for the summer championship of 2018.
so for example say the league standings are as follows:
div 1: div 2 div 3 div4
Dublin galway louth w'meath
Kerry kildare tipp wexford
Donegal meath armagh carlow
Monaghan cork sligo leitrim
mayo clare offaly limerick
tyrone down longford waterford
Cavan derry antrim wicklow
roscommon fermanagh laois london
There is two all-ireland competitions
1. made of the div1&2 teams above
2. made of the div3&4 teams above
top tier championship is four groups of four teams , a,b,c,d
There is seeding i.e from above pot 1 dublin, kerry, donegal, monaghan
pot 2 mayo,tyrone, cavan, roscommon
pot 3 galway, kildare, meath, cork
pot4 clare, down, derry, fermanagh
draw done and you have four groups for example a) dub, ros, galway, clare
b) kerry, cavan, kildare, down
c) donegal, tyrone, meath, derry,
d) monaghan, mayo, cork, fermanagh
3 matches for each team in the group,
Top two of each group head to 1/4 of all-ireland top tier comp- then can progress to final
bottom 4 teams play one match ie bottom a) plays bottom d)
bottom b) plays bottom c)
2losers of these matches relegated to lower tier competition
lower tier competition played on same basis with only one difference, new york have a preliminary match against a selected team to be able to enter the 2nd tier competition.
on sat ---- all ireland final tier two comp
on sun--- all ireland final tier one comp
keepherlow (Tyrone) - Posts: 123 - 02/11/2017 17:50:32 2059831Link 0 0
PyatPree (Cork) - Posts: 111 - 02/11/2017 19:26:38 2059849Link 0 0
shea (Kerry) - Posts: 409 - 02/11/2017 20:11:36 2059859Link 0 0
Simple really. All the counties want the chance to play for the Sam Maguire cup. Use the leagues as pots for groups of 4. Play the group and the top two from the group go through to the Sam Maguire cup, the bottom too go through to play for Tommy Murphy Cup (or whatever they'll call it). Nobody can have any complaints with that structure.
letsgosligo (Sligo) - Posts: 58 - 02/11/2017 20:20:43 2059863Link 0 0
I would have three tiers with Senior having 12 teams and Inter and Junior having 10 teams each. Basing the seedings on how the counties finished up last year in the league:
OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 11213 - 02/11/2017 21:34:14 2059884Link 0 0
Intermediate and junior teams celebrate championship wins as much for the promotion as the cup itself. A second tier competition based on progression will work, a second tier competition run between loser teams will not.
Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 505 - 02/11/2017 21:40:25 2059890Link 0 0
letsgosligo (Sligo) - Posts: 58 - 03/11/2017 01:15:37 2059937Link 0 0
I kind of find it strange everyone always wants a League secondary competition and a tournament style main competition.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 1869 - 03/11/2017 05:47:08 2059941Link 0 0
The top 12 teams based on the following http://gaarankings.net would make the following divisions.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 1869 - 03/11/2017 06:01:36 2059942Link 0 1
The knockout competition should be the secondary competition and should be an open-draw straight knockout.
provincial championships are a thing of the past and should be consigned to the history books.
s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 4963 - 03/11/2017 09:40:17 2059979Link 0 0
If it's going to be your main competition I think it needs to have a flatter structure so that the weaker teams still can get some sort of exposure, or else it could be bad for interest in the game in those smaller counties.
I wouldn't care to watch Antrim in division 4 league action particularly. Watching them play division 2 North versus Down or Derry could be exciting.
Basically the idea is to get as many of the exciting games played as possible.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 1869 - 03/11/2017 10:07:42 2059987Link 0 0
For the Sam AI KO - I'd prefer Div 1 top 4 to AI QFs (seeded 1 to 4), next 5 to the QF Playoff Rd (seeded 5 to 9), bottom 3 down.
Div 2 - N & S - 2x6 to KO - Inter group 1v6, 2v6, 3v5 - 6 winners to Rd 2 - 3 winnrrs (seeded 10,11,12) to Playoff QFs and promo to Div 1.
AI QFs - 1v8or9, 2v7or10, 3v6or11, 4v5or12.
omahant (USA) - Posts: 1075 - 08/11/2017 05:58:16 2061118Link 0 0
Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 817 - 08/11/2017 15:14:38 2061225Link 1 0
You could go back to the old school All Ireland system and just play the league in parallel with it.
April to August. Leave September and October completely free for all.
Week 1 League round 1
Week 2 League round 2
Week 3 Club week
Week 4 Break
Week 5 League round 3
Week 6 League round 4
Week 7 Ulster and Leinster preliminary rounds (Potential club week for counties without games)
Week 8 Break
Week 9 League round 5
Week 10 Provincial quarterfinals
Week 11 Break
Week 12 League round 6
Week 13 Provincial semifinals
Week 14 Break
Week 15 League round 7
Week 16 Break
Week 17 Provincial finals
Week 18 Break
Week 19 All Ireland semifinals
Week 20 Break
Week 21 All Ireland final
Simple but potentially really exciting. Could give more onus to the league with it being played at a better time of the year.
For the weaker counties the league is a more important competition for them than the qualifiers.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 1869 - 08/11/2017 18:50:17 2061285Link 0 0
The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 1049 - 08/11/2017 21:01:46 2061301Link 0 0
I'm intrigued by Corduff-care to explain? Is Corduff Banty's Club?
The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 1049 - 08/11/2017 21:04:15 2061303Link 0 0
The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 1049 - 08/11/2017 21:09:01 2061306Link 0 0
OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 11213 - 09/11/2017 13:19:51 2061394Link 0 0
If you were to have a two tier system I suggest you do it in the following way:
neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1047 - 09/11/2017 13:46:16 2061396Link 0 0
The way I see them is they're just the opening stages of the tournament. One sided games are to be expected. They're also just a marketing tool. Ulster semifinal is a better sell to me than Championship round 2. The regional rivalries adds a bit of spice.
There's some problems that comes with them. They're not balanced. Them and the qualifiers make scheduling difficult.
That'd be the main reason to get rid of them.
Realistically they're going nowhere. The GAA know they're money spinners.
The players like them also as evidenced by the feedback the GPA received last year. I think they are sometimes forgotten in all this.
I think there are lots of ways they can be kept without hurting scheduling, making the system fairer and incorporating league into championship.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 1869 - 09/11/2017 22:09:21 2061502Link 0 0