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Replying To bert09: " Replying To royaldunne: "[quote=WhyTheLongFace: "If we can get our play at kick outs improved it will help us
I said that last year! All that is really wrong with Meath football is our kick outs,they don't gives us a platform to build on or attack ...our kickouts actually make the players nervous (and the supporters) because we don't know what kind of damage they will do to ourselves !
We need a new goal keeper who spends his time playing Meath club football in goals ...not at full forward or Midfield !" Burlingham?"
grahamc9897 (Meath) - Posts: 1174 - 24/10/2017 20:46:52
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Burlingham?
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts:12000 - 24/10/2017 19:52:22
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Burlingham is up there as one of the best in the county ...i can name 5 goalkeepers equipped for the Meath job !
I prefer a low risk goalkeeper who plays a conservative percentage game ...if we look at Cluxton he plays a common sense game without taken any real risks !
I don't want a goalkeeper were the players on the pitch are thinking "will he lose us the game again"
You played the game before royaldunne...you can carry a bad corner back or a bad forward and you just have to work harder and get on with it..but a bad goalkeeper their is nothing you can do only pray to the good lord he won't make a mistake again ...and again ...and again !
if you are playing week in and week out as a goalkeeper the time you get to 18 or 19 you stop making mistakes that cost your team games...we need a goalkeeper not a glorified part time goalkeeper /forward
WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 874 - 24/10/2017 21:23:02
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Replying To WhyTheLongFace: "Burlingham?
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts:12000 - 24/10/2017 19:52:22
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Burlingham is up there as one of the best in the county ...i can name 5 goalkeepers equipped for the Meath job !
I prefer a low risk goalkeeper who plays a conservative percentage game ...if we look at Cluxton he plays a common sense game without taken any real risks !
I don't want a goalkeeper were the players on the pitch are thinking "will he lose us the game again"
You played the game before royaldunne...you can carry a bad corner back or a bad forward and you just have to work harder and get on with it..but a bad goalkeeper their is nothing you can do only pray to the good lord he won't make a mistake again ...and again ...and again !
if you are playing week in and week out as a goalkeeper the time you get to 18 or 19 you stop making mistakes that cost your team games...we need a goalkeeper not a glorified part time goalkeeper /forward" Fair points,but would you not agree that we need to play more foragers in the half forward/half back lines? 2 man ff line who are capable of winning ball and laying it off. Play either O'Sullivan or Biggy in between the lines of the ff line and he hf line? We can't carry players in these areas.
ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 24/10/2017 21:41:51
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Replying To ziggy32001: " Replying To WhyTheLongFace: "Burlingham?
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts:12000 - 24/10/2017 19:52:22
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Burlingham is up there as one of the best in the county ...i can name 5 goalkeepers equipped for the Meath job !
I prefer a low risk goalkeeper who plays a conservative percentage game ...if we look at Cluxton he plays a common sense game without taken any real risks !
I don't want a goalkeeper were the players on the pitch are thinking "will he lose us the game again"
You played the game before royaldunne...you can carry a bad corner back or a bad forward and you just have to work harder and get on with it..but a bad goalkeeper their is nothing you can do only pray to the good lord he won't make a mistake again ...and again ...and again !
if you are playing week in and week out as a goalkeeper the time you get to 18 or 19 you stop making mistakes that cost your team games...we need a goalkeeper not a glorified part time goalkeeper /forward" Fair points,but would you not agree that we need to play more foragers in the half forward/half back lines? 2 man ff line who are capable of winning ball and laying it off. Play either O'Sullivan or Biggy in between the lines of the ff line and he hf line? We can't carry players in these areas."
But if you have goalkeeper getting his kickouts in 80% to 90% hit player ratio be it short or long passing you don't need to be flanked by foragers..
Dublin are not a team of foragers may i add...but it should be every players instinct to attack the breaking ball.
but i do know what you mean..
WhyTheLongFace (Meath) - Posts: 874 - 24/10/2017 22:09:00
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Replying To WhyTheLongFace: " Replying To ziggy32001: "[quote=WhyTheLongFace: "Burlingham?
royaldunne (Meath) - Posts:12000 - 24/10/2017 19:52:22
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Burlingham is up there as one of the best in the county ...i can name 5 goalkeepers equipped for the Meath job !
I prefer a low risk goalkeeper who plays a conservative percentage game ...if we look at Cluxton he plays a common sense game without taken any real risks !
I don't want a goalkeeper were the players on the pitch are thinking "will he lose us the game again"
You played the game before royaldunne...you can carry a bad corner back or a bad forward and you just have to work harder and get on with it..but a bad goalkeeper their is nothing you can do only pray to the good lord he won't make a mistake again ...and again ...and again !
if you are playing week in and week out as a goalkeeper the time you get to 18 or 19 you stop making mistakes that cost your team games...we need a goalkeeper not a glorified part time goalkeeper /forward" Fair points,but would you not agree that we need to play more foragers in the half forward/half back lines? 2 man ff line who are capable of winning ball and laying it off. Play either O'Sullivan or Biggy in between the lines of the ff line and he hf line? We can't carry players in these areas."
But if you have goalkeeper getting his kickouts in 80% to 90% hit player ratio be it short or long passing you don't need to be flanked by foragers..
Dublin are not a team of foragers may i add...but it should be every players instinct to attack the breaking ball.
but i do know what you mean.."]Exactly now the likes of James McEntee and Alan Forde can play football too,but they understand the dirty side of the game,they are the type of players I would have a lot of respect for
ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 24/10/2017 22:52:06
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one of the best equipped forward playing that could make an impact id Dardis from Summerhill. Always time on the ball, physically big and can control a game. Maybe he wont commit but he is up there. No point in mentioning players that need to physically develop as this is what the U20 and development squads are for. Also agree re Kane, good age and would walk onto that team. Burlington is your only man for goals. Just IMO.
pretender (Meath) - Posts: 358 - 25/10/2017 08:01:46
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On a side note our u20 should have a squad are a genuine contenders for Leinster. The likes of Conlon and Moriarty in the forward line.
ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 25/10/2017 08:24:09
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Replying To ziggy32001: "On a side note our u20 should have a squad are a genuine contenders for Leinster. The likes of Conlon and Moriarty in the forward line." They are going to be made up of 2 minors and 1 under 17 teams. The 2016 minors beat Dublin well and lost to Kildare in extra time despite not having Conor Moriarty available. They'll have players like Conor Harnan, Ethan Devine, Frank O'Reilly, James Conlon, Daragh Campion, Conor Moriarity, Adam McDermott etc. The 2017 minors totally collapsed but were 10 points ahead of AI semi-finalists Dublin and will have players like Conor Frayne, Robbie Clarke, Sean Martin, Connell Aherne. The 2017 under 17 were Leinster champions, beat Dublin twice and Kildare along the way, a really good side. Players like Shane Walsh, Jordan Morris, Liam Byrne, Sean Ryan, Paddy Matthews. On top of this you have the odd lad who came good after minor and is now ready to contribute with Barry Callaghan as manager. Lot to be optimistic about
LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1452 - 25/10/2017 11:02:24
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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99: "They are going to be made up of 2 minors and 1 under 17 teams. The 2016 minors beat Dublin well and lost to Kildare in extra time despite not having Conor Moriarty available. They'll have players like Conor Harnan, Ethan Devine, Frank O'Reilly, James Conlon, Daragh Campion, Conor Moriarity, Adam McDermott etc. The 2017 minors totally collapsed but were 10 points ahead of AI semi-finalists Dublin and will have players like Conor Frayne, Robbie Clarke, Sean Martin, Connell Aherne. The 2017 under 17 were Leinster champions, beat Dublin twice and Kildare along the way, a really good side. Players like Shane Walsh, Jordan Morris, Liam Byrne, Sean Ryan, Paddy Matthews. On top of this you have the odd lad who came good after minor and is now ready to contribute with Barry Callaghan as manager. Lot to be optimistic about" Absolutely lets get the blend right. Is David MCEntee u20?
ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 25/10/2017 11:27:01
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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99: "They are going to be made up of 2 minors and 1 under 17 teams. The 2016 minors beat Dublin well and lost to Kildare in extra time despite not having Conor Moriarty available. They'll have players like Conor Harnan, Ethan Devine, Frank O'Reilly, James Conlon, Daragh Campion, Conor Moriarity, Adam McDermott etc. The 2017 minors totally collapsed but were 10 points ahead of AI semi-finalists Dublin and will have players like Conor Frayne, Robbie Clarke, Sean Martin, Connell Aherne. The 2017 under 17 were Leinster champions, beat Dublin twice and Kildare along the way, a really good side. Players like Shane Walsh, Jordan Morris, Liam Byrne, Sean Ryan, Paddy Matthews. On top of this you have the odd lad who came good after minor and is now ready to contribute with Barry Callaghan as manager. Lot to be optimistic about" Would add the likes of Jason Scully to that too. That along with the U17s and there is a lot to look forward too
ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 25/10/2017 11:31:16
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With Harnan and O Coileann gone away these are the guaranteed starters for next year.
Donal Keoghan (I hope the rumours that Donal is taking a year out are not true)
Conor McGill
Donnacha Tobin (as a half back - out of position last year)
Bryan Menton
Cillian O Sullivan
Graham Reilly
Donal Lenahan
You could add Micky Burke if he has another year in him.
After that we are relying on new talent such as Brian Conlon, Thomas O Reilly.
David Larkin might be worth another shot (has never done it in a county jersey though).
Also Tormey and Alan Forde if they make a full recovery and an injury free James McEntee.
Not sure where Micky Newman is at injury wise ?
Am I missing anybody ?
subzero (Meath) - Posts: 69 - 25/10/2017 12:02:31
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Forgive me for been negative. But I am not optimistic for the next year or the near future at all. Not just local to meath but football in general for me is a bit boring and predicable. For the last 4 or five years it just been Dublin Mayo and Kerry out from them nododay is in with in ass roar of the even Tyrone crashed and burned this year. I think GAA need to look at the widening gap between the top teams and the rest of us.( something that might be worth a try reduce game time from 70 to 60 mins) If are GAA are serious about player welfare that they are always banging on about.
2017 I was sure really excited with new management it place. But even there might have been some progress. But over all pretty disappointing.
With Jones away no sign off Rooney return. Plus others that are not able to commit. And to be honest with the level commitment that is required who could blame them. So at the moment I think we caught in kinda limbo state. Sure with the u17 doing well is brilliant but are going to lose them like Nash Jones Rooney etc. I dont think the current crop of players are up to much a changes are needed where new players they are going to come from I am not sure. So at the moment I am not that excited for 2018 hopefully that will change in January time.
bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1263 - 25/10/2017 12:05:36
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Replying To ziggy32001: "On a side note our u20 should have a squad are a genuine contenders for Leinster. The likes of Conlon and Moriarty in the forward line." I keep thinking that every year Ziggy and every year mega disappointment! But one day we'll make the breakthrough
bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1789 - 25/10/2017 12:46:16
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Replying To ziggy32001: "Would add the likes of Jason Scully to that too. That along with the U17s and there is a lot to look forward too" Yes I agree with you there , lots of talent from these underage teams and surely 2 or 3 of these players will come through to Meath Seniors . A lot will depend on lads playing too many games these days ( Burnout ) from both hurling & football from clubs , schools/colleges & development squads . I think it is a major issue for underage players as everybody knows if they are good players, every team will want them playing on their side. Some players will suffer injuries because of being overplayed and over trained and others will just get fed up of all the playing and training . I just think some plan needs to be put in place to stop this happening . I am not sure how this can be dealt with to stop this happening as a lot of these guys are very talented in both codes and we as a county could end up losing them .
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Replying To subzero: "With Harnan and O Coileann gone away these are the guaranteed starters for next year.
Donal Keoghan (I hope the rumours that Donal is taking a year out are not true)
Conor McGill
Donnacha Tobin (as a half back - out of position last year)
Bryan Menton
Cillian O Sullivan
Graham Reilly
Donal Lenahan
You could add Micky Burke if he has another year in him.
After that we are relying on new talent such as Brian Conlon, Thomas O Reilly.
David Larkin might be worth another shot (has never done it in a county jersey though).
Also Tormey and Alan Forde if they make a full recovery and an injury free James McEntee.
Not sure where Micky Newman is at injury wise ?
Am I missing anybody ?" Maybe a few Summerhill lads should be looked at again , Dardis , Daltons , Ryans
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Replying To Bear10: "Yes I agree with you there , lots of talent from these underage teams and surely 2 or 3 of these players will come through to Meath Seniors . A lot will depend on lads playing too many games these days ( Burnout ) from both hurling & football from clubs , schools/colleges & development squads . I think it is a major issue for underage players as everybody knows if they are good players, every team will want them playing on their side. Some players will suffer injuries because of being overplayed and over trained and others will just get fed up of all the playing and training . I just think some plan needs to be put in place to stop this happening . I am not sure how this can be dealt with to stop this happening as a lot of these guys are very talented in both codes and we as a county could end up losing them ." I would just leave them with the 20's let them develop think of the bigger picture too
ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 25/10/2017 14:54:56
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If the rumors are true that Harnan, O' Coileann, Keoghan, Jones, and Rooney have all left (or failed to rejoin) the panel it's a damning indictment where we are at the moment. I would never begrudge lads going off and seeing the world while they are still young but 5 definite panel members and 4 very likely starters is a huge blow for any panel. Does anyone know why there seems to be a mass exodus? Unhappy with management, training not great, fed up in general, need a break, no hope of winning anything?
If you add Shane O Rourke and Nash, obviously no one's fault (particularly SOR). That's literally half a team of inter county standard squad players not available.
Hopefully the rumors are just that and we'll have all the lads back for the league.
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Replying To pauk123: "If the rumors are true that Harnan, O' Coileann, Keoghan, Jones, and Rooney have all left (or failed to rejoin) the panel it's a damning indictment where we are at the moment. I would never begrudge lads going off and seeing the world while they are still young but 5 definite panel members and 4 very likely starters is a huge blow for any panel. Does anyone know why there seems to be a mass exodus? Unhappy with management, training not great, fed up in general, need a break, no hope of winning anything?
If you add Shane O Rourke and Nash, obviously no one's fault (particularly SOR). That's literally half a team of inter county standard squad players not available.
Hopefully the rumors are just that and we'll have all the lads back for the league." This exodus started in Mick o dowds tenure,I know what you are trying to do..
ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 25/10/2017 16:39:51
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People talking about keepers what about Liam Hogan from Curraha?
ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 25/10/2017 16:41:48
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Replying To pauk123: "If the rumors are true that Harnan, O' Coileann, Keoghan, Jones, and Rooney have all left (or failed to rejoin) the panel it's a damning indictment where we are at the moment. I would never begrudge lads going off and seeing the world while they are still young but 5 definite panel members and 4 very likely starters is a huge blow for any panel. Does anyone know why there seems to be a mass exodus? Unhappy with management, training not great, fed up in general, need a break, no hope of winning anything?
If you add Shane O Rourke and Nash, obviously no one's fault (particularly SOR). That's literally half a team of inter county standard squad players not available.
Hopefully the rumors are just that and we'll have all the lads back for the league." This exodus started in Mick o dowds tenure,I know what you are trying to do..
ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 25/10/2017 16:42:13
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