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Time for HURLING to leave GAA

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How on earth is football being prioritized at every opportunity the gaa gets the chance to do so ,in a sensible country Hurling would be well ahead of its very poor relation football,it's time for the sake of this great sport to build its own future along way away from the GAA ,

emerald79 (Kilkenny) - 14/10/2017 14:12:11    2055241

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Football is a money spinner. The most popular game in most of the country, easily understood and easier to play than hurling therefore easier to sell to the rest of the world. Why would hurling want to go it alone? Don't get me wrong it's a superior spectacle once you get it but a harder sell to most people.

roundball (Tipperary) - 14/10/2017 15:34:49    2055246

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Daftest topic in a long time and it's up against some serious opposition , I love both codes by the way

Damothedub (Dublin) - 14/10/2017 16:12:51    2055250

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Replying To emerald79:  "How on earth is football being prioritized at every opportunity the gaa gets the chance to do so ,in a sensible country Hurling would be well ahead of its very poor relation football,it's time for the sake of this great sport to build its own future along way away from the GAA ,"
I love both codes but I'm probably more into Hurling if I was forced to pick. I think the GAA makes a lot of mistakes or runs certain things poorly but to try to separate from them would be suicide for either code.

IF it were to happen though here are some of your immediate problems:

1. Prying players away from the GAA.

2. Where would you play? Not in GAA owned fields, parks, or stadiums.

3. What kind of TV contract would you be able to get?

4. Would you pay the players?

***If it were me trying to do this I would go for foreign investors as nationally it would be almost impossible.

Trump2020 (Galway) - 14/10/2017 16:40:09    2055255

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Replying To emerald79:  "How on earth is football being prioritized at every opportunity the gaa gets the chance to do so ,in a sensible country Hurling would be well ahead of its very poor relation football,it's time for the sake of this great sport to build its own future along way away from the GAA ,"
A Hurling board with full autonomy under the auspices of the GAA would go a long way to sort this out.

Separate from the football only clique that see hurling as some kind of threat. Plenty room for both code's in the GAA. Only problem is that the development of hurling seems to of no interest to the majority..

skillet (Limerick) - 14/10/2017 18:06:14    2055262

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Replying To skillet:  "A Hurling board with full autonomy under the auspices of the GAA would go a long way to sort this out.

Separate from the football only clique that see hurling as some kind of threat. Plenty room for both code's in the GAA. Only problem is that the development of hurling seems to of no interest to the majority.."
Exactly what have the traditional powers in hurling, particularly in Munster, done to promote the sport. Witness the disgraceful limbo situation Kerry hurling has been put into following these new hurling proposals.

TheHermit (Kerry) - 14/10/2017 19:11:25    2055268

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Replying To TheHermit:  "Exactly what have the traditional powers in hurling, particularly in Munster, done to promote the sport. Witness the disgraceful limbo situation Kerry hurling has been put into following these new hurling proposals."
The fact that they are powers in hurling at all, indicates that they've done plenty within their own counties to promote the sport.

The situation Kerry have been left in as part of the new proposals is pretty poor, but that was a central motion that was voted on, not something pushed through by "traditional" counties. There aren't enough of big hurling counties to carry any vote, big hurling counties account for less than a third of county boards.

But maybe that is part of the problem. The rushed and poorly thought out nature of these changes does point to a possible need for some autonomy within the GAA, for separate bodies to oversee both codes (but not "hurling to leave the GAA", I don't even know what that means). At the very least I think its time for counties to have separate hurling and football boards, with delegates from hurling boards voting on hurling issues, and delegates from football boards voting on football issues. I think alot of the time, delegates will vote for whats best for the dominant code in the county, even if its to the detriment of the other code within the same county. And it can happen for both codes.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - 14/10/2017 19:33:45    2055272

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Hurling is the GAA. What a stupid notion.But then again it came from someone from the county who has banned football after Easter

jobber (Westmeath) - 14/10/2017 20:04:49    2055275

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Replying To Marlon_JD:  "The fact that they are powers in hurling at all, indicates that they've done plenty within their own counties to promote the sport.

The situation Kerry have been left in as part of the new proposals is pretty poor, but that was a central motion that was voted on, not something pushed through by "traditional" counties. There aren't enough of big hurling counties to carry any vote, big hurling counties account for less than a third of county boards.

But maybe that is part of the problem. The rushed and poorly thought out nature of these changes does point to a possible need for some autonomy within the GAA, for separate bodies to oversee both codes (but not "hurling to leave the GAA", I don't even know what that means). At the very least I think its time for counties to have separate hurling and football boards, with delegates from hurling boards voting on hurling issues, and delegates from football boards voting on football issues. I think alot of the time, delegates will vote for whats best for the dominant code in the county, even if its to the detriment of the other code within the same county. And it can happen for both codes."
Marlon, the 5 Munster counties were insistent that none of them would get regulated into tier two and that if Kerry won the secondary competition they would have to play-off against the worst Munster side in the Liam McCarthy. That effectively condemns Kerry hurling to a twilight existence with nothing much to play for.

All Limerick, Tipp, Clare, Waterford and Cork care about is keeping the Munster Championship on the road. I love the Munster hurling Championship but not at the expense of killing off Kerry inter-county hurling.

The fact remains that hurling in 2017 is still dominated by the same counties that were there 100 years ago and in all honestly has anything really ever been done to spread hurling into non-traditional counties?

If a separate hurling board could manage that I'd be all for it!

TheHermit (Kerry) - 14/10/2017 20:07:17    2055277

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Hurling leaving the GAA: I know what it means. It means hurling basically breaking away from the GAA, and teams organising competitions outside the auspices of the GAA. It wouldn't work, however; how would they stump up the money to hire the Aviva for the day?

Separate county boards for football and hurling, however; I prefer that. And maybe some sort of rule that only counties involved (or who could be involved) in a particular competition should be allowed to vote on motions pertaining thereto.

Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - 14/10/2017 21:30:19    2055286

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Replying To Marlon_JD:  "The fact that they are powers in hurling at all, indicates that they've done plenty within their own counties to promote the sport.

The situation Kerry have been left in as part of the new proposals is pretty poor, but that was a central motion that was voted on, not something pushed through by "traditional" counties. There aren't enough of big hurling counties to carry any vote, big hurling counties account for less than a third of county boards.

But maybe that is part of the problem. The rushed and poorly thought out nature of these changes does point to a possible need for some autonomy within the GAA, for separate bodies to oversee both codes (but not "hurling to leave the GAA", I don't even know what that means). At the very least I think its time for counties to have separate hurling and football boards, with delegates from hurling boards voting on hurling issues, and delegates from football boards voting on football issues. I think alot of the time, delegates will vote for whats best for the dominant code in the county, even if its to the detriment of the other code within the same county. And it can happen for both codes."
At the least separate board of controls. The topic poster asked if hurling should break away. There is some merit in this despite the logistics of making it happen. There is very little in common between gaelic football and hurling. Gaelic football is a hybrid game with more similarities to soccer, rugby, aussie football and yes now basket ball. Hurling is more in line with ice hockey and you see very similar issues and rule changes, strategies, injuries etc. in both sports. In fact early pictures show ice hockey been played with hurleys. I know you are going to say ice hockey is not played to any extent in Ireland. However I know of an entrepreneur who looked at setting up four franchises in Ireland because he felt it was a perfect fit for players and supporters. Back to the subject. Hurling is the best field sport in the world but is been strangled by gaelic football dominance and bad development programs. Our friend in Kerry is correct. Every change that is made puts the boot harder on their necks.

Canuck (Waterford) - 14/10/2017 23:40:29    2055304

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HURLING does not belong to the GAA , its goverened by it but the sport of HURLING long precedes the GAA & needs to fight for its own future Because the Gaelic Football Association Has failed miserably in putting this game where it should be & prioritising a crap sport like football that doesnt even belong on the same playing surface

emerald79 (Kilkenny) - 15/10/2017 07:21:52    2055309

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Replying To jobber:  "Hurling is the GAA. What a stupid notion.But then again it came from someone from the county who has banned football after Easter"
cumann na mbunscol football is played in every single primary school in kilkenny ,cant say the same about hurling in parts of westmeath ,do your homework before you talk nonsence

emerald79 (Kilkenny) - 15/10/2017 07:36:56    2055310

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Impossible idea at a time of real challenges facing all GAA codes its pulling together into one powerful entity that is required not dicing it up.

arock (Dublin) - 15/10/2017 11:46:29    2055339

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Best idea of heard all year. Iv always thought that Hurling should go it alone. The GAA just about looks after football and hasn't the capacity or inclination to govern hurling properly.
Personally Iv never felt comfortable with the Nationalist slant to the GAA either. The naming of clubs after dead republicans and the pushing of the Irish language always sticks in my craw. And I'm not alone.
The sport could flourish outside of the GAA. Stadiums could be bargained for..negotiated over. I bet it would be hard and dual clubs would be rendered unsuitable but it could be a glorious escapade. It's time to Secede from the GAA

bloodyban (Limerick) - 15/10/2017 12:23:22    2055345

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lol bringing hurling snobbery to a whole new level! That's gas.... but becoming tiresome... you should know your place in the world hurling snobs! lol

Floops (Dublin) - 15/10/2017 12:46:57    2055350

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Replying To bloodyban:  "Best idea of heard all year. Iv always thought that Hurling should go it alone. The GAA just about looks after football and hasn't the capacity or inclination to govern hurling properly.
Personally Iv never felt comfortable with the Nationalist slant to the GAA either. The naming of clubs after dead republicans and the pushing of the Irish language always sticks in my craw. And I'm not alone.
The sport could flourish outside of the GAA. Stadiums could be bargained for..negotiated over. I bet it would be hard and dual clubs would be rendered unsuitable but it could be a glorious escapade. It's time to Secede from the GAA"
If you don't like the GAA ethos, why not support rugby, there are lots of clubs in Limerick?.

The GAA went through very difficult times in Northern Ireland during the troubles. Just look at Crossmaglen, an army base right bedside the ground, helicopters arriving and taking off during games. Players harassed by bigots in UDR uniforms. TheGAA still put out teams at club and county level during that period.

Before you secede from the GAA, what about dual clubs, how do you handle players who play both hurling and football?

thelongridge (Offaly) - 15/10/2017 13:04:15    2055351

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The difference between hurling and football can be summed up in one word. Dublin. The amount of publicity, money and hype attached to their football team is not only splitting football in terms of standards but has for years taken the attention off hurling when Hurling deserved better. This years hurling c'ship was far better in terms of entertainmnet value. However all we get day in day out on the press is what the Dublin players eat for breakfast. Mayo have been sucked in the hysteria for all the wrong reasons but seem to enjoy it. The Super 8's is just an example of how selling the Dublin product has got out of control. Hurling had no choice but to follow a similar path or risk being shadowed completely.

ZUL10 (Clare) - 15/10/2017 15:18:09    2055363

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Replying To thelongridge:  "If you don't like the GAA ethos, why not support rugby, there are lots of clubs in Limerick?.

The GAA went through very difficult times in Northern Ireland during the troubles. Just look at Crossmaglen, an army base right bedside the ground, helicopters arriving and taking off during games. Players harassed by bigots in UDR uniforms. TheGAA still put out teams at club and county level during that period.

Before you secede from the GAA, what about dual clubs, how do you handle players who play both hurling and football?"
I do follow rugby..all my life. Its just Hurling is my passion. I dont like tge insinuation that i cant follow hurling if im not a nationalist. Its supposed to be non political. Of course gaa clubs in certain areas had it hard in Northern Ireland. But theres 2 sides to that story aswell.
Yeah it would be very hard for dual clubs probably impossible. I feel their days are coming to an end anyway and clubs will just have to go hurling or football. It's not stopping other clubs starting up. Hurling needs the separation..room to breathe

bloodyban (Limerick) - 15/10/2017 15:24:30    2055364

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Only a few counties take hurling seriously.
Football is more popular in the majority of counties even if it is not played very well.

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - 15/10/2017 16:16:58    2055371

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