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Replying To shannon414:  "Well we find ourselves back in Division 2, TH brought us to DIv 1 no one can take that from him. In the end of his time I thought THs selectors didn't serve him well enough, but overall under him Cavan made progress.
We have to expect to build on that so anythin less than a stay in Div 2 is a disaster. I don't see us go back up unless we see a major change in style.
Is there any word of the Cavan selectors?we need Cavan people in the like Jayo? Dermot?Keogan?
As for players ye have to wonder why so many players not makin themsels available.
County final SJ best player on field by a mile and Jayo new how to use him. Rest of Gaels team played poor football against average Castlerahan team who played v badly. Nothin on Shercock team we saw that last week and don't think the junior champs are gonna prop up a county team. Interestin times ahead?"
Is there any word of the Cavan selectors?we need Cavan people in the like Jayo? Dermot?Keogan?


shannon414 (Cavan) - Posts:189 - 19/10/2017 20:52:24 2056348
What makes you think the above mentioned should be selectors on the county panel you have got to be joking for sure.
Our from Jason winning a senior title with the gales that many could have done with them anyway what have they got to offer the senior set up for me nothing for you cannot buy success remember this.
I hope to god Mattie will have no Cavan input into selecting our county players for let me tell you they are blinkered like the majority in this county.

Time strangers came to the front and led their way with no interference from anyone in Cavan except the 30 odd players they will have in.
Time to move forward so please we have plenty out there that have won two senior management titles in Cavan if it's a thing you want to use locals.
I say forget them all.
Stop listening to the same old rhetoric he played well they played well ect if at this stage he has not got an idea what is out there well we are F****D for sure.
Leave him to his own devise and introduce a game into our players that will win games.
Players coming into the panel injured is costing the county money if they are not fit enough tell them go away and get yourself fit and come back when they are ready and be assessed plain and simple.
Players have been mentioned that were on the panel some were let go but the better ones had their education to finish and rightly so the Collins the Reilly's the Maloney Durham the list goes on. The GAA will not pay them so they put their personal future ahead of the county and rightly so. Some now have qualified so maybe they will come back this coming year time will tell.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 19/10/2017 22:09:33    2056388

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Disaster of a draw in Ulster. Statistically very few teams win Ulster from preliminary round. Statistically very few teams win in Donegal.

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1483 - 19/10/2017 22:17:52    2056395

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Replying To fredflint:  "Disaster of a draw in Ulster. Statistically very few teams win Ulster from preliminary round. Statistically very few teams win in Donegal."
Disaster of a draw in Ulster. Statistically very few teams win Ulster from preliminary round. Statistically very few teams win in Donegal.

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts:857 - 19/10/2017 22:17:52 2056395

Forget about the championship for now let's concentrate on building a strong team between now and then with the McKenna cup and the league first. Let's solve this first then think about Ulster. I don't like the McKenna cup but unfortunately we need it this term. Be positive.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 19/10/2017 22:26:33    2056406

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Replying To fredflint:  "Disaster of a draw in Ulster. Statistically very few teams win Ulster from preliminary round. Statistically very few teams win in Donegal."
I wouldn't go so far as to call it a disaster. Ballybofey is a tough place to go right enough but you can't let that worry you if you're serious about your footballing credentials. I think Donegal have fantastic footballers but I don't particularly rate Bonner and I'd give us a chance if we have our best players all available and Mattie shows some improvement. Win that and who knows after that. No easy games but no point wishing for the easy draw all the time.

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 19/10/2017 22:48:44    2056412

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Lets be positive here. Looks like we'll get the club championship and league wrapped up early next year !!!
Preliminary round exit followed by a few moral victories in the qualifiers before the inevitable exit to the first decent team we meet.
Prolonging the agony meanwhile the club players wait patiently like the good second class citizens that they are.
Bring back knock out and stop stringing us out with meaningless games to meet the inevitable conclusion. Exit !!!
We haven't got what it takes to win the mc Kenna cup never mind our provincial championship. There should be a tiered championship to give poorer teams like us a chance of winning something. The qualifiers should be played as a separate competition.
We are behind Tyrone, Donegal, Monaghan, Down, Armagh and probably Derry.
Like it or not we are in the same category as Fermanagh, offally, Wicklow, Louth etc. No hope of major honours so we need a 2nd grade competition.

StirringIt (Cavan) - Posts: 374 - 20/10/2017 10:34:46    2056480

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Replying To StirringIt:  "Lets be positive here. Looks like we'll get the club championship and league wrapped up early next year !!!
Preliminary round exit followed by a few moral victories in the qualifiers before the inevitable exit to the first decent team we meet.
Prolonging the agony meanwhile the club players wait patiently like the good second class citizens that they are.
Bring back knock out and stop stringing us out with meaningless games to meet the inevitable conclusion. Exit !!!
We haven't got what it takes to win the mc Kenna cup never mind our provincial championship. There should be a tiered championship to give poorer teams like us a chance of winning something. The qualifiers should be played as a separate competition.
We are behind Tyrone, Donegal, Monaghan, Down, Armagh and probably Derry.
Like it or not we are in the same category as Fermanagh, offally, Wicklow, Louth etc. No hope of major honours so we need a 2nd grade competition."
StirringIt (Cavan) - Posts:311 - 20/10/2017 10:34:46 205648
You must have been listening to Spellane and co the other night they mentioned doing something like the hurley set up.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 20/10/2017 11:18:58    2056491

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Replying To fredflint:  "Disaster of a draw in Ulster. Statistically very few teams win Ulster from preliminary round. Statistically very few teams win in Donegal."
I think if you check the stats over the years Donegal have been poor enough at home .
Did Antrim not draw with them a few years ago? Or was it Fermanagh ?
That Donegal team are on the decline . I'd fancy us for a result there quicker than I'd fancy a result in Derry. I actually think it's the best away draw we could have hoped for.
I believe we can beat them in Ballybofey .
They were very poor this year in the championship.

Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 20/10/2017 11:33:46    2056501

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Replying To Inaroundehouse:  "I think if you check the stats over the years Donegal have been poor enough at home .
Did Antrim not draw with them a few years ago? Or was it Fermanagh ?
That Donegal team are on the decline . I'd fancy us for a result there quicker than I'd fancy a result in Derry. I actually think it's the best away draw we could have hoped for.
I believe we can beat them in Ballybofey .
They were very poor this year in the championship."
My god do you ever stop writing such rubbish. Quoting stats you never even bothered to confirm. Here are your stats in the last 7 yrs in Ulster Donegal have lost once at home (in 2010 vrs Down.)

2017 - 3-19 to 1-9 win V Antrim
2016 - 2-12 to 0-11 win v Fermanagh
2015 - 1-13 to 1-10 win v Tyrone
2014 - didnt play at home
2013 - didnt play at home
2012 - 2-13 to 0-9 win v Derry (after beating us in Breffni by 6 pts)
2011 - 1-10 to 0-7 win v Antrim
2010 - 2-10 to 0-15 defeat to Down.

So I stand by my comment, they are very seldom beaten in their own patch.

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1483 - 20/10/2017 12:40:19    2056537

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Replying To fredflint:  "My god do you ever stop writing such rubbish. Quoting stats you never even bothered to confirm. Here are your stats in the last 7 yrs in Ulster Donegal have lost once at home (in 2010 vrs Down.)

2017 - 3-19 to 1-9 win V Antrim
2016 - 2-12 to 0-11 win v Fermanagh
2015 - 1-13 to 1-10 win v Tyrone
2014 - didnt play at home
2013 - didnt play at home
2012 - 2-13 to 0-9 win v Derry (after beating us in Breffni by 6 pts)
2011 - 1-10 to 0-7 win v Antrim
2010 - 2-10 to 0-15 defeat to Down.

So I stand by my comment, they are very seldom beaten in their own patch."
Maybe you should post our record since 2010 since your so fond of stats.

Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 20/10/2017 12:58:46    2056543

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Replying To seanorinn:  "StirringIt (Cavan) - Posts:311 - 20/10/2017 10:34:46 205648
You must have been listening to Spellane and co the other night they mentioned doing something like the hurley set up."
Didn't see it Sean but something needs to be done for the lower rated teams like us.
We have it at club level. Imagine throwing in small Junior clubs into the Senior championship !!
Like it our not we are not at the races either in the province or the national stage.

StirringIt (Cavan) - Posts: 374 - 20/10/2017 14:49:48    2056583

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Replying To fredflint:  "My god do you ever stop writing such rubbish. Quoting stats you never even bothered to confirm. Here are your stats in the last 7 yrs in Ulster Donegal have lost once at home (in 2010 vrs Down.)

2017 - 3-19 to 1-9 win V Antrim
2016 - 2-12 to 0-11 win v Fermanagh
2015 - 1-13 to 1-10 win v Tyrone
2014 - didnt play at home
2013 - didnt play at home
2012 - 2-13 to 0-9 win v Derry (after beating us in Breffni by 6 pts)
2011 - 1-10 to 0-7 win v Antrim
2010 - 2-10 to 0-15 defeat to Down.

So I stand by my comment, they are very seldom beaten in their own patch."
2010 - 2-10 to 0-15 defeat to Down.

So I stand by my comment, they are very seldom beaten in their own patch.
fredflint (Cavan) - Posts:859 - 20/10/2017 12:40:19 2056537


The score for that match was Donegal 2-10 Down 1-15 1/4 final After extra time: Joe McQuillan was the man in the middle.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 20/10/2017 15:02:56    2056591

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This is what i think could happen or best case scenario......... that is the best league fixture list cavan could have hoped for. now forget about second grade competitions and all the other negative stuff being thrown around about the cavan senior panel and setup etc. but this is a league that cavan are favourites for. make absolutely no mistake about that. People saying that Tipp and Clare won 't be easy games....of course they won't!!! none of them will, but cavan have the abilities to be going into those games expecting to beat them!!!! If cavan don't get promoted out of that league i will be devastated. Its time our boys became a bit more confident in their own ability WHEN they work hard!!!!!
its also time our management went and set our team up with a game plan they can be confident playing because at times last year god help the lads they looked clueless.
As for Donegal, they've went for an even more conservative manager in a time when they need a more open approach. this wont work for them. A promoted Cavan team has more than enough to trouble and beat a one dimensional Donegal team. A more expansive Donegal team has the ability to bother anyone however i cant see Bonner change his philosophy that easy.

theweanling (Cavan) - Posts: 414 - 20/10/2017 15:39:48    2056607

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Replying To Inaroundehouse:  "I think if you check the stats over the years Donegal have been poor enough at home .
Did Antrim not draw with them a few years ago? Or was it Fermanagh ?
That Donegal team are on the decline . I'd fancy us for a result there quicker than I'd fancy a result in Derry. I actually think it's the best away draw we could have hoped for.
I believe we can beat them in Ballybofey .
They were very poor this year in the championship."
Not that I think it will matter too much when Donegal and Cavan meet next May but Donegal are unbeaten in Ballybofey in league or championship since the summer of 2010 (v Down as a previous poster mentioned). At the moment both teams aren't in great shape but have plenty of time to get things right. Donegal will do well to stay in Division 1 this coming season as I can see alot of experimenting with tactics during the league campaign. Cavan should be in the mix for promotion and winning a few games will give them confidence come championship. Donegal should have a few players back for 2018 that opted out for one reason or another and with some of the younger lads that little bit older we could be in decent shape come May. Too early to say. We can start making predictions after the league.

Mobot (Donegal) - Posts: 459 - 20/10/2017 16:18:44    2056617

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Replying To theweanling:  "This is what i think could happen or best case scenario......... that is the best league fixture list cavan could have hoped for. now forget about second grade competitions and all the other negative stuff being thrown around about the cavan senior panel and setup etc. but this is a league that cavan are favourites for. make absolutely no mistake about that. People saying that Tipp and Clare won 't be easy games....of course they won't!!! none of them will, but cavan have the abilities to be going into those games expecting to beat them!!!! If cavan don't get promoted out of that league i will be devastated. Its time our boys became a bit more confident in their own ability WHEN they work hard!!!!!
its also time our management went and set our team up with a game plan they can be confident playing because at times last year god help the lads they looked clueless.
As for Donegal, they've went for an even more conservative manager in a time when they need a more open approach. this wont work for them. A promoted Cavan team has more than enough to trouble and beat a one dimensional Donegal team. A more expansive Donegal team has the ability to bother anyone however i cant see Bonner change his philosophy that easy."
I would tend to agree with you on your comments about Bonner. That said, he has spoken very well in a few interviews since getting the job about how Donegal need to change their style of football as it has become too easy and predictable to play against. It's one thing saying it but its another being able to pull it off but I do think we have the players to try. I wouldn't be a massive Bonner fan but I guess us Donegal folk have no option but to give him a chance. I also agree with you on Cavan, there is no reason why they shouldn't be getting promoted and winning Division 2.

Mobot (Donegal) - Posts: 459 - 20/10/2017 16:23:59    2056619

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Replying To Mobot:  "I would tend to agree with you on your comments about Bonner. That said, he has spoken very well in a few interviews since getting the job about how Donegal need to change their style of football as it has become too easy and predictable to play against. It's one thing saying it but its another being able to pull it off but I do think we have the players to try. I wouldn't be a massive Bonner fan but I guess us Donegal folk have no option but to give him a chance. I also agree with you on Cavan, there is no reason why they shouldn't be getting promoted and winning Division 2."
I'm glad you didn't take what i said as an insult. I have a lot of close links and spend a lot of time in Donegal. So in effect they're my second team. Donegal has a lot of excellent footballers, lads that can play ball!!! Its disappointing how they have been set out to play. Our manager promised expansive football last year too and what we got was total fear and confusion.
If both teams have a good league and that means Cavan getting promoted and Donegal consolidating i think this could be a ding dong battle. Ballybofey is a really compact ground also so the atmosphere will be good. here's hoping!!

theweanling (Cavan) - Posts: 414 - 20/10/2017 17:14:36    2056647

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Replying To Mobot:  "Not that I think it will matter too much when Donegal and Cavan meet next May but Donegal are unbeaten in Ballybofey in league or championship since the summer of 2010 (v Down as a previous poster mentioned). At the moment both teams aren't in great shape but have plenty of time to get things right. Donegal will do well to stay in Division 1 this coming season as I can see alot of experimenting with tactics during the league campaign. Cavan should be in the mix for promotion and winning a few games will give them confidence come championship. Donegal should have a few players back for 2018 that opted out for one reason or another and with some of the younger lads that little bit older we could be in decent shape come May. Too early to say. We can start making predictions after the league."
Unbeaten at home for 7 years you say. But a other poster here said that if you check the stats Donegal have a poor home record. He's a very reliable source of information too. Apparently fermangh or Antrim drew with Donegal recently.

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1483 - 21/10/2017 09:00:30    2056741

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Replying To fredflint:  "Unbeaten at home for 7 years you say. But a other poster here said that if you check the stats Donegal have a poor home record. He's a very reliable source of information too. Apparently fermangh or Antrim drew with Donegal recently."
Hopefully our present manager Mattie in his 2nd year will have greater success against Donegal than the previous manager had over his 5 years.
In saying that I hope Mattie has greater success against any county than the previous manager had .. ie Monaghan, Roscommon Tyrone come to mind .
Did the previous Manager ever manage to defeat any of these in an important competitive match
Maybe our stats man Fredflint could post our success rate? Seeing he so fond of the stats.

Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 21/10/2017 11:07:20    2056766

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Replying To Inaroundehouse:  "Hopefully our present manager Mattie in his 2nd year will have greater success against Donegal than the previous manager had over his 5 years.
In saying that I hope Mattie has greater success against any county than the previous manager had .. ie Monaghan, Roscommon Tyrone come to mind .
Did the previous Manager ever manage to defeat any of these in an important competitive match
Maybe our stats man Fredflint could post our success rate? Seeing he so fond of the stats."
I said Donegal had very strong home record. You said they had a poor one. I proved you wrong and now you are deflecting to cavan record. No one was talking about cavans record. You really are showing your self up as being exceptionally childish. A sensible person would just admit they got it wrong about Donegals home record.

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1483 - 21/10/2017 11:45:14    2056771

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Replying To fredflint:  "I said Donegal had very strong home record. You said they had a poor one. I proved you wrong and now you are deflecting to cavan record. No one was talking about cavans record. You really are showing your self up as being exceptionally childish. A sensible person would just admit they got it wrong about Donegals home record."
I believe we will beat Donegal in Ballybofey. Stats of their home record won't matter.
Yes you were right Fredflint ... you feel better now!

Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 21/10/2017 15:18:33    2056814

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Replying To Inaroundehouse:  "I believe we will beat Donegal in Ballybofey. Stats of their home record won't matter.
Yes you were right Fredflint ... you feel better now!"
I hope you are right. I'll be there cheering them all going well.

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1483 - 21/10/2017 15:46:16    2056818

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