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April now for Club football, where can you play it

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Tomsmith here from County Cavan

Hello to all
I see April is now being designated for Club football or at least that is the view. Well I wonder where north of a line from County Meath to Kinvara away over in Galway could you play much Club football in April. Indeed in 2015 hail /snow fell in parts of the North east in April. I don't know what the GAA is thinking. While we have a few good fields in Cavan most are of a boggy bottom and will cut up easy.

tomsmith (Cavan) - 01/10/2017 17:40:46    2052141

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Replying To tomsmith:  "Tomsmith here from County Cavan

Hello to all
I see April is now being designated for Club football or at least that is the view. Well I wonder where north of a line from County Meath to Kinvara away over in Galway could you play much Club football in April. Indeed in 2015 hail /snow fell in parts of the North east in April. I don't know what the GAA is thinking. While we have a few good fields in Cavan most are of a boggy bottom and will cut up easy."
Club leagues start in February in Meath.

It's been common over the years for championship to be played in April. I absolutely hate it. It's too early in the year for championship in my mind. We were knocked out of championship before May Day one season, it made the rest of the season pretty crap to be honest.

I don't think the solutions the CPA have come up with fitting in the club season are particularly good to be honest.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - 01/10/2017 17:59:17    2052143

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Replying To Whammo86:  "Club leagues start in February in Meath.

It's been common over the years for championship to be played in April. I absolutely hate it. It's too early in the year for championship in my mind. We were knocked out of championship before May Day one season, it made the rest of the season pretty crap to be honest.

I don't think the solutions the CPA have come up with fitting in the club season are particularly good to be honest."
stick it in and pretend to be doing something to appease the club players, who seem now to be a distraction of the money making county scene. Soon be semi pro county players similar to rugby being financed from croke park and only playing for clubs when injured and need rehab games to get back to match fitness or until their counties exclusion from the championship or dropped from a panel

bulmccabe (Tyrone) - 01/10/2017 19:30:24    2052168

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Nothing new about. League football is played in Kildare every year in April and many other counties.

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - 02/10/2017 01:34:54    2052259

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Are NFL and NHL finals at end of March now?

RoyalBadger (Meath) - 02/10/2017 09:58:25    2052294

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Replying To RoyalBadger:  "Are NFL and NHL finals at end of March now?"
I think I read that the NFL final will be the first weekend in April and the football championship starts in early May. There does seem to be a lot of confusion about the fitures calendar for next year. For example when will the provincial finals be? They will probably be in June as the Super 8's are in July.

Green_Gold (Donegal) - 02/10/2017 10:44:04    2052315

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Look,just forget about County players playing club football until their County are out of the championship,from May till mid August all the top cOunties will be occupied by super 8's which will increase over the next few years to possibly super 16's.So just forget about it and get on with it the GAA op brass do not care.

ifindoubt (Donegal) - 02/10/2017 11:19:04    2052328

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Proper competition structure at Inter-County level solves all problems.

Dont be afraid GAA!

Ban (Westmeath) - 02/10/2017 11:46:50    2052338

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Replying To ifindoubt:  "Look,just forget about County players playing club football until their County are out of the championship,from May till mid August all the top cOunties will be occupied by super 8's which will increase over the next few years to possibly super 16's.So just forget about it and get on with it the GAA op brass do not care."
I actually think it would be easier to clone county players than come up with a solution for the club/ county fixture list

theweanling (Cavan) - 02/10/2017 16:33:42    2052469

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Replying To theweanling:  "I actually think it would be easier to clone county players than come up with a solution for the club/ county fixture list"
There's a simple solution

Define your season - run all competitions in parallel. Imagine actually having a fixture list at the beginning of the year!

Its work in soccer. Example: Premier league players play international and club, some clubs playing League, League Cup, FA Cup and Champions league all within about 10 months

Not rocket science - why try to re-invent the wheel?

Ban (Westmeath) - 02/10/2017 20:48:32    2052559

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In Mayo we have divisional matches starting in February north, south, east and west, county league matches start end March early April, championship end May, most of our pitches are swimming pools until mid June, having April as club month won't work, all that will happen is county players will go on holidays with the family, weddings involving county players or their families will take place in April, little or no club games will take place and guarantee by the time the All Ireland Final is played 99% of the counties still won't have played the club quarter finals

riverboys (Mayo) - 02/10/2017 21:10:08    2052565

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Replying To Ban:  "There's a simple solution

Define your season - run all competitions in parallel. Imagine actually having a fixture list at the beginning of the year!

Its work in soccer. Example: Premier league players play international and club, some clubs playing League, League Cup, FA Cup and Champions league all within about 10 months

Not rocket science - why try to re-invent the wheel?"
you're exactly right. it seems to be very complicated to the GAA !!!!

theweanling (Cavan) - 03/10/2017 10:09:05    2052625

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Replying To theweanling:  "you're exactly right. it seems to be very complicated to the GAA !!!!"
It can be a little tricky when you have 2 codes that you're wanting to accommodate and intercounty and club in each.

Best stab I can have at it is:

Make the season 40 weeks: start February to end of October

First 11 weeks: Provincial and All Ireland Club championship. Intercounty National leagues played alongside. Players involved in club championship don't play intercounty.

Leaves 29 weeks

Give 14 weeks to intercounty championship, club leagues can also be played.

Leave 15 weeks for club games where intercounty players are made available, county boards have the discretion to split them between hurling and football and league and championship as they see fit.

All intercounty grades are played on those weekends, a player can only line out for 1 intercounty team in a weekend.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - 03/10/2017 14:23:52    2052717

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I'll give you an example of what a junior football club player told me a few years ago, they played their first game of the year in a winter divisional game on the first Sunday in February, the last game of the year was the Sunday before Christmas, they played 30 matches in 47 weeks, only weekends without a match was a Mayo championship match or waterlogged pitches, this was a year when Mayo were beaten in the qualifiers so there was no proponents because of Mayo reaching a final, imagine if you had dual players playing both football and hurling, how would they manage it, the club month of April? Can't see it making much of a difference. Too many club matches and too many competitions, play the club championship and club league and maybe a divisional competition but call a halt to other competitions that most players and people don't care about, either that of forget about the county player playing for the club, if that happens then why would any club let their best players play for the county team which means they won't play for them, that's as bad as them playing for the neighbouring club

riverboys (Mayo) - 03/10/2017 22:26:23    2052872

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Replying To Ban:  "There's a simple solution

Define your season - run all competitions in parallel. Imagine actually having a fixture list at the beginning of the year!

Its work in soccer. Example: Premier league players play international and club, some clubs playing League, League Cup, FA Cup and Champions league all within about 10 months

Not rocket science - why try to re-invent the wheel?"
It's not really that simple though is it? Professional soccer is played during the week as much as it is at the weekends which won't work at amateur level because players have to work and go to college etc. I don't understand why people are getting so annoyed by a month being freed up. County players may actually play a league game or 2 with their clubs team for a change during this month and will be back with their county teams until they exit the championship. The county season seems to be condensed somewhat and the all ireland final is due to be played in August therefore it's up to county boards to put club fixtures in place so that club players know when the championship starts and ends. Most counties will have August onwards to play their club championships and even the counties that contest the all ireland final will have september onwards to get their championships played which is more time than is given now.It's not perfect but it's definitely a step in the right direction. I think we're gonna have to accept that county players involvments in club league games will be minimal but as long as club players know when the championship is played then that's a good start.

Mobot (Donegal) - 05/10/2017 10:43:01    2053223

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Re: Mobot (Donegal)
>> It's not really that simple though is it? Professional soccer is played during the week as much as it is at the weekends which won't work at amateur level because players have to work and go to college etc.

English Premiership soccer teams have to play a minimum of around 40 games in the season, hence the need to play during the week.

Simple solution - place a more realistic demand on GAA teams as its not professional i.e. around 15!

Ban (Westmeath) - 05/10/2017 16:45:39    2053383

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Replying To Ban:  "Re: Mobot (Donegal)
>> It's not really that simple though is it? Professional soccer is played during the week as much as it is at the weekends which won't work at amateur level because players have to work and go to college etc.

English Premiership soccer teams have to play a minimum of around 40 games in the season, hence the need to play during the week.

Simple solution - place a more realistic demand on GAA teams as its not professional i.e. around 15!"
100% I think intercounty teams need a tighter max and min number of games.

10 min, max 15 played over a period of 18 weeks. April to July.

Aug-October for club championship.

February and March for Provincial and All Ireland club. Intercounty preseason to take place alongside this without those still involved with club championship.

Club league played April to July without county players.

The season it so much more compact for everyone with the majority of games taking place during the best weather.

Not need for games in November to January at all. Let people rest up. The season is so long right now.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - 05/10/2017 17:25:11    2053397

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Replying To Whammo86:  "
Replying To Ban:  "Re: Mobot (Donegal)
>> It's not really that simple though is it? Professional soccer is played during the week as much as it is at the weekends which won't work at amateur level because players have to work and go to college etc.

English Premiership soccer teams have to play a minimum of around 40 games in the season, hence the need to play during the week.

Simple solution - place a more realistic demand on GAA teams as its not professional i.e. around 15!"
100% I think intercounty teams need a tighter max and min number of games.

10 min, max 15 played over a period of 18 weeks. April to July.

Aug-October for club championship.

February and March for Provincial and All Ireland club. Intercounty preseason to take place alongside this without those still involved with club championship.

Club league played April to July without county players.

The season it so much more compact for everyone with the majority of games taking place during the best weather.

Not need for games in November to January at all. Let people rest up. The season is so long right now."
Are you suggesting the All Ireland final will be played in July??? That will never happen. Bringing it forward to August is a good move and frees up sept and Oct for the club championships and most counties will be able to start their club championships in August if they want to but it's up to each individual county boards to decide on when to start county championships. Iv'e been involved in club championships that didn't start until end of Sept/early Oct and this is what needs to be stopped. If you know at the beginning of the season that club championship starts the first weekend of Sept then you can make plans around this to gear training towards this and even to plan holidays etc. I think people are expecting too much.

Mobot (Donegal) - 06/10/2017 11:12:37    2053517

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Replying To Mobot:  "
Replying To Whammo86:  "[quote=Ban:  "Re: Mobot (Donegal)
>> It's not really that simple though is it? Professional soccer is played during the week as much as it is at the weekends which won't work at amateur level because players have to work and go to college etc.

English Premiership soccer teams have to play a minimum of around 40 games in the season, hence the need to play during the week.

Simple solution - place a more realistic demand on GAA teams as its not professional i.e. around 15!"
100% I think intercounty teams need a tighter max and min number of games.

10 min, max 15 played over a period of 18 weeks. April to July.

Aug-October for club championship.

February and March for Provincial and All Ireland club. Intercounty preseason to take place alongside this without those still involved with club championship.

Club league played April to July without county players.

The season it so much more compact for everyone with the majority of games taking place during the best weather.

Not need for games in November to January at all. Let people rest up. The season is so long right now."
Are you suggesting the All Ireland final will be played in July??? That will never happen. Bringing it forward to August is a good move and frees up sept and Oct for the club championships and most counties will be able to start their club championships in August if they want to but it's up to each individual county boards to decide on when to start county championships. Iv'e been involved in club championships that didn't start until end of Sept/early Oct and this is what needs to be stopped. If you know at the beginning of the season that club championship starts the first weekend of Sept then you can make plans around this to gear training towards this and even to plan holidays etc. I think people are expecting too much."]Aug bank holiday. Only a couple more weeks earlier than next years

Whammo86 (Antrim) - 06/10/2017 11:59:27    2053530

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Replying To Whammo86:  "
Replying To Mobot:  "[quote=Whammo86:  "[quote=Ban:  "Re: Mobot (Donegal)
>> It's not really that simple though is it? Professional soccer is played during the week as much as it is at the weekends which won't work at amateur level because players have to work and go to college etc.

English Premiership soccer teams have to play a minimum of around 40 games in the season, hence the need to play during the week.

Simple solution - place a more realistic demand on GAA teams as its not professional i.e. around 15!"
100% I think intercounty teams need a tighter max and min number of games.

10 min, max 15 played over a period of 18 weeks. April to July.

Aug-October for club championship.

February and March for Provincial and All Ireland club. Intercounty preseason to take place alongside this without those still involved with club championship.

Club league played April to July without county players.

The season it so much more compact for everyone with the majority of games taking place during the best weather.

Not need for games in November to January at all. Let people rest up. The season is so long right now."
Are you suggesting the All Ireland final will be played in July??? That will never happen. Bringing it forward to August is a good move and frees up sept and Oct for the club championships and most counties will be able to start their club championships in August if they want to but it's up to each individual county boards to decide on when to start county championships. Iv'e been involved in club championships that didn't start until end of Sept/early Oct and this is what needs to be stopped. If you know at the beginning of the season that club championship starts the first weekend of Sept then you can make plans around this to gear training towards this and even to plan holidays etc. I think people are expecting too much."]Aug bank holiday. Only a couple more weeks earlier than next years"]I think that's far to early. You're condensing the star attraction of the GAA into a tiny season. Why would you do that? More games on at the same time means less games televised etc. Get as much publicity as possible for them.

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - 06/10/2017 13:15:29    2053558

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