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Some people need to wise up.
jim Gavin gives the media nothing for a very good reason, they twist even the simplest thing into something else.
Mickey harte last year after the all ireland was interviewed and the headline read harte says Tyrone would have taken dubs in final. I read the interview there was not once in the entire interview did he say that, they completely twisted anything in the interview to make a headline.
last week Mick bohan answered a question regarding Cora Staunton and again very similarly his words were turned from complimenting something and turned into a negative to stoke headlines and it worked as the mayo management refrenced it and staunton wouldn't even look at bohan when he went up to get and shook her hand after the game on Sunday.
people need to look at the facts you don't see good news as the main headlines on the rte news everyday for a reason the media thrive off negative stories so why would the manager of the most scrutinized team in the country leave his hand out to be slapped.
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 26/09/2017 10:38:31
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Replying To hill16no1man: "Some people need to wise up.
jim Gavin gives the media nothing for a very good reason, they twist even the simplest thing into something else.
Mickey harte last year after the all ireland was interviewed and the headline read harte says Tyrone would have taken dubs in final. I read the interview there was not once in the entire interview did he say that, they completely twisted anything in the interview to make a headline.
last week Mick bohan answered a question regarding Cora Staunton and again very similarly his words were turned from complimenting something and turned into a negative to stoke headlines and it worked as the mayo management refrenced it and staunton wouldn't even look at bohan when he went up to get and shook her hand after the game on Sunday.
people need to look at the facts you don't see good news as the main headlines on the rte news everyday for a reason the media thrive off negative stories so why would the manager of the most scrutinized team in the country leave his hand out to be slapped." On the sweet spot
Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1415 - 26/09/2017 12:00:06
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Ahh aul Kimmage
Exposes one man doping
While every other cyclist was at it at the same time
Yeah you're a hero!!
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 26/09/2017 12:28:57
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When Pillar was manager, and even still today when I hear him being interviewed, I cringe.
He is the stereotypical arrogant cocky Dub. Great print. Media loved him.
Tommy Lyons similarly.
Jim didnt want all that BS, keeps the head down, concentrates on the sport and doesnt give Vincent Hogan what he wants, soundbites
So now he is treated with contempt.
Can't win.
See here is the problem. The media WANT the Dubs to be bombastic. They want us to be arrogant. They want the Dubs to be the team the country loves to hate. They want a team of Mark Vaughans led by a manager like Pillar.
They dont want a team of Brian Fenton's led by Jim Gavin.
Just as an aside, when a cycling journalist and a soccer "pundit" are the most vociferous critics of a GAA team, well........
I'd love to see Joe or Cyril have a pop at Wes Hoolahan for spending his time scratching his arse on the norwich bench in the championship while the other clown tells us all what a world class footballer he is........
Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 26/09/2017 12:51:00
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Replying To jimbodub: "Ahh aul Kimmage
Exposes one man doping
While every other cyclist was at it at the same time
Yeah you're a hero!!" Jimbo, by all means take Kimmage to task for the rant against Gavin. I agree, it was a pointless exercise. But I think its unfair to ridicule him for the stance he took in whistleblowing against the drug culture in cycling. Would you ridicule the Garda whistleblowers for the stance they took in their profession? It took balls for Kimmage to do what he did, particularly at the time that he did so. Yes, most if not all were at it, which made it even more difficult for him to expose what was going on. And he paid a heavy price for doing so at the time when they all closed ranks against him. As have the Garda whistleblowers suffered similarly. By all means attack and ridicule Kimmage what he said last Sunday, but separate your anger towards him (and his demeanour last Sunday) from the honest and brave stance that he took in tackling a very serious issue in sport, at an earlier time in his career. Anyway, Jimbo, congrats on the double All-Ireland. I do enjoy your comments normally. This minor retort is very much the exception.
offyertrolley (Leitrim) - Posts: 141 - 26/09/2017 14:22:19
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Hatchet job. I personally find it odd that there's no outpouring of celebration at full time from Jim Gavin but that's just me, I'd probably be running around headless hugging everyone I could see but then again I've no All-Irelands either. This has been happening since last year now with Parkinson and his sly comments about the Dubs and no personality and all that crap, OTB have been at it for a long while now as well, they're just salty because their jobs are a bit harder when the best team in the country, the best team ever maybe, aren't out giving them in depth interviews and great soundbites to spin into some drama.
I think Jim Gavin learned pretty early on that the media aren't your friends so why bother giving them anything, we learned it pretty sharpish in Donegal once we rattled a few feathers as well. Obviously fans would love to learn more about their heroes but you know what if you meet them on the street you'll get more out of them for 5 minutes then you'll ever get from some interview where the journo has an agenda.
JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 26/09/2017 15:50:32
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Replying To JoeSoap: "Hatchet job. I personally find it odd that there's no outpouring of celebration at full time from Jim Gavin but that's just me, I'd probably be running around headless hugging everyone I could see but then again I've no All-Irelands either. This has been happening since last year now with Parkinson and his sly comments about the Dubs and no personality and all that crap, OTB have been at it for a long while now as well, they're just salty because their jobs are a bit harder when the best team in the country, the best team ever maybe, aren't out giving them in depth interviews and great soundbites to spin into some drama.
I think Jim Gavin learned pretty early on that the media aren't your friends so why bother giving them anything, we learned it pretty sharpish in Donegal once we rattled a few feathers as well. Obviously fans would love to learn more about their heroes but you know what if you meet them on the street you'll get more out of them for 5 minutes then you'll ever get from some interview where the journo has an agenda." Parkinson is in love with himself and thinks he's a rockstar personality!
Just one thing with Kimmage. I think we must separate his comments on Jim Gavin fro his exposing of doping in cycling.
Credit where credit is due he had serious courage to face up to the Armstrong bullying machine. I think his career and experiences in cycling and sport have left him bitter however. And also he's of an age, late 50s where he has become cynical.
He has no God given right to know the inner workings of Jim Gavin's mind. Jim Gavin only has a duty to his team and by all accounts is a gentleman in social company.
Kimmage just seems totally frustrated that he can't peel back the layers of the onion and find the real Jim Gavin. Kimmage obviously has a sense of self importance.
Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 26/09/2017 16:00:44
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Replying To Laois76: "Parkinson is in love with himself and thinks he's a rockstar personality!
Just one thing with Kimmage. I think we must separate his comments on Jim Gavin fro his exposing of doping in cycling.
Credit where credit is due he had serious courage to face up to the Armstrong bullying machine. I think his career and experiences in cycling and sport have left him bitter however. And also he's of an age, late 50s where he has become cynical.
He has no God given right to know the inner workings of Jim Gavin's mind. Jim Gavin only has a duty to his team and by all accounts is a gentleman in social company.
Kimmage just seems totally frustrated that he can't peel back the layers of the onion and find the real Jim Gavin. Kimmage obviously has a sense of self importance." You know Parkinson better than me and he's definitely fond of himself but I like his podcasts. I think Off the Ball lost a lot when he left. He doesn't take himself too seriously. He might have slagged the Dubs for not celebrating as much as he thought they should but he definitely gives credit to their football and their achievements.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7343 - 26/09/2017 17:59:31
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Replying To hill16no1man: "Some people need to wise up.
jim Gavin gives the media nothing for a very good reason, they twist even the simplest thing into something else.
Mickey harte last year after the all ireland was interviewed and the headline read harte says Tyrone would have taken dubs in final. I read the interview there was not once in the entire interview did he say that, they completely twisted anything in the interview to make a headline.
last week Mick bohan answered a question regarding Cora Staunton and again very similarly his words were turned from complimenting something and turned into a negative to stoke headlines and it worked as the mayo management refrenced it and staunton wouldn't even look at bohan when he went up to get and shook her hand after the game on Sunday.
people need to look at the facts you don't see good news as the main headlines on the rte news everyday for a reason the media thrive off negative stories so why would the manager of the most scrutinized team in the country leave his hand out to be slapped." Spot on. Kimmage wants Gavin to show more emotion full stop. He wants him to be weeping at Mayo's loss, cracking jokes with the sports hacks and to partner with Cluxton as the Dublin 'chuckle brothers' when they lay waste to the opposition. He craves subject matter, something to contort to make a story, anything at all. In the absence of 'material' he picks on the character of the individuals. Poor, poor form but it has his Twitter machine buzzing and he knows that there's no such thing as bad publicity whether it's pursuing Sky and Froome or lambasting David Walsh for supporting same. Rough Ride is a decent book though even if it's author seems to be desperately craving the public's attention these days.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 26/09/2017 18:07:58
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Well it kicked off between Like Fitzgerald and Kimmage in twitter today with Fitzgerald inviting him down to the office to discuss it further.
Anyone in the vicinity of that office it might be worth a trip down :)
tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1336 - 26/09/2017 18:17:07
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Replying To Joxer: "Spot on. Kimmage wants Gavin to show more emotion full stop. He wants him to be weeping at Mayo's loss, cracking jokes with the sports hacks and to partner with Cluxton as the Dublin 'chuckle brothers' when they lay waste to the opposition. He craves subject matter, something to contort to make a story, anything at all. In the absence of 'material' he picks on the character of the individuals. Poor, poor form but it has his Twitter machine buzzing and he knows that there's no such thing as bad publicity whether it's pursuing Sky and Froome or lambasting David Walsh for supporting same. Rough Ride is a decent book though even if it's author seems to be desperately craving the public's attention these days." It's ironic that Kimmage said Gavin lacked empathy, by comparing their league final defeat to us going 66 years without Sam, while he himself became a Mayo fan ten minutes ago.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7343 - 26/09/2017 19:18:10
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Replying To Liamwalkinstown: "When Pillar was manager, and even still today when I hear him being interviewed, I cringe.
He is the stereotypical arrogant cocky Dub. Great print. Media loved him.
Tommy Lyons similarly.
Jim didnt want all that BS, keeps the head down, concentrates on the sport and doesnt give Vincent Hogan what he wants, soundbites
So now he is treated with contempt.
Can't win.
See here is the problem. The media WANT the Dubs to be bombastic. They want us to be arrogant. They want the Dubs to be the team the country loves to hate. They want a team of Mark Vaughans led by a manager like Pillar.
They dont want a team of Brian Fenton's led by Jim Gavin.
Just as an aside, when a cycling journalist and a soccer "pundit" are the most vociferous critics of a GAA team, well........
I'd love to see Joe or Cyril have a pop at Wes Hoolahan for spending his time scratching his arse on the norwich bench in the championship while the other clown tells us all what a world class footballer he is........" In a nutshell Liam, great post!
DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 932 - 26/09/2017 19:49:05
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Replying To cjx: "Gavin plays it hard, and deliberately it seems, does not present publicly as an attractive individual, as he comes across soulless in the media, Cluxton the same. This is not the real issue though. There has been thuggery to some extent in GAA forever but I believe that it is decreasing as such. But it is being replaced by what I see as worse. The sneaky, cynical, soulless, win at all costs , total disrespect for rules and the other team, way the game of football is now being played is the issue. In addition there is little or no sportsmanship left as the highest levels (it is closely tied in with this soulless cynicism of win at all costs). Football is a game and as such has rules to define it and make it function/work but to really make any game work well and be attractive in a good-hearted society a reasonable level of sportsmanship is also essential (or most parents, I believe mostly mothers, will not let children take part in what becomes a war where the lack of sportsmanship and empathy/common feeling for the other team as people and thus respect for rules and opposition as individuals (or in other words the true spirit of the game) means this is just an exercise is crude warfare (dystopian is the in word!) and a game with no joy and no happiness or positive sharing. We surely wants a positive happy GAA and membership in the community together. Surely we want a positive happy strong, physically tough but essentially fair rivalry we can all be proud of and gain from. There will always be rivalry which gets out of hand but if GAA does not enforce the rules and base their work on developing and maintaining an underlying positive philosophy on which GAA must be based it will die in the long run. Gavin in his behaviour in public and the cynical win at any cost actions of his team at the end in particular of the final this year stand, in real terms, for nothingness and emptiness (nihilism) and long term vicious slow death for GAA as an organization. The answer is enforce the rules fairly and even handedly at all levels (stop turning a blind eye and twisting and squirming about discipline pushed by media that love viscous controversy) and inculcate/ensure an atmosphere of sportsmanship, respect, sharing and joyous common purpose to keep GAA as what it should be; one of the most positive encouraging body's in Ireland.
To stay relevant and worthy of Ireland stop the vicious heartless win at all cost soulless attitudes now in the GAA or fade into the morass of destructive gang war not a game any more just a media driven pseudo-sporting Mafia." What the f*€& are you on about?
DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 932 - 26/09/2017 19:55:26
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I don't think Parkinson is to be taken seriously as I'm not sure he's all there.
heard a story of him in 2003 after laois won Leinster going to a nightclub in kildare that night to celebrate which involved him getting thrown out for causing a row.now I don't think you would need to be a rocket scientist to see it would end up that way, seems an odd thing to do after winning a trophy that has alluded laois for a long time to go to the team you beat county to celebrate so if 100% true he can hardly be the poster boy for how to celebrate.
hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 26/09/2017 20:00:44
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Replying To Liamwalkinstown: "When Pillar was manager, and even still today when I hear him being interviewed, I cringe.
He is the stereotypical arrogant cocky Dub. Great print. Media loved him.
Tommy Lyons similarly.
Jim didnt want all that BS, keeps the head down, concentrates on the sport and doesnt give Vincent Hogan what he wants, soundbites
So now he is treated with contempt.
Can't win.
See here is the problem. The media WANT the Dubs to be bombastic. They want us to be arrogant. They want the Dubs to be the team the country loves to hate. They want a team of Mark Vaughans led by a manager like Pillar.
They dont want a team of Brian Fenton's led by Jim Gavin.
Just as an aside, when a cycling journalist and a soccer "pundit" are the most vociferous critics of a GAA team, well........
I'd love to see Joe or Cyril have a pop at Wes Hoolahan for spending his time scratching his arse on the norwich bench in the championship while the other clown tells us all what a world class footballer he is........" Stupid post. They are not journalists. Wooly and kimmage are
Malonemagic (Laois) - Posts: 766 - 26/09/2017 21:03:14
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Ewan McKenna writes for a paper no one reads so he stirs sxit on Twitter ----.
Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 26/09/2017 21:06:51
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Replying To cjx: "Gavin plays it hard, and deliberately it seems, does not present publicly as an attractive individual, as he comes across soulless in the media, Cluxton the same. This is not the real issue though. There has been thuggery to some extent in GAA forever but I believe that it is decreasing as such. But it is being replaced by what I see as worse. The sneaky, cynical, soulless, win at all costs , total disrespect for rules and the other team, way the game of football is now being played is the issue. In addition there is little or no sportsmanship left as the highest levels (it is closely tied in with this soulless cynicism of win at all costs). Football is a game and as such has rules to define it and make it function/work but to really make any game work well and be attractive in a good-hearted society a reasonable level of sportsmanship is also essential (or most parents, I believe mostly mothers, will not let children take part in what becomes a war where the lack of sportsmanship and empathy/common feeling for the other team as people and thus respect for rules and opposition as individuals (or in other words the true spirit of the game) means this is just an exercise is crude warfare (dystopian is the in word!) and a game with no joy and no happiness or positive sharing. We surely wants a positive happy GAA and membership in the community together. Surely we want a positive happy strong, physically tough but essentially fair rivalry we can all be proud of and gain from. There will always be rivalry which gets out of hand but if GAA does not enforce the rules and base their work on developing and maintaining an underlying positive philosophy on which GAA must be based it will die in the long run. Gavin in his behaviour in public and the cynical win at any cost actions of his team at the end in particular of the final this year stand, in real terms, for nothingness and emptiness (nihilism) and long term vicious slow death for GAA as an organization. The answer is enforce the rules fairly and even handedly at all levels (stop turning a blind eye and twisting and squirming about discipline pushed by media that love viscous controversy) and inculcate/ensure an atmosphere of sportsmanship, respect, sharing and joyous common purpose to keep GAA as what it should be; one of the most positive encouraging body's in Ireland.
To stay relevant and worthy of Ireland stop the vicious heartless win at all cost soulless attitudes now in the GAA or fade into the morass of destructive gang war not a game any more just a media driven pseudo-sporting Mafia." This is up there with a legendary post from the Wexford lad who was 'tired and emotional 'after ' being defeated by Kilkenny in the Leinster championship. He was by his own admission drunk. But in a funny way, his post made more sense than this. I honestly haven't a clue what this post is saying.
avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 26/09/2017 21:23:04
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Whose Paul Kimmage
Brianmac78 (Dublin) - Posts: 1168 - 26/09/2017 21:24:42
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I honestly didn't mind his comments on off the ball, he usually always has something nasty to say about something. But he is being a cheeky so and so on twitter, makes Eamon Dunphy look like the don of journalism
Hill16Army (Dublin) - Posts: 88 - 26/09/2017 21:32:26
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Replying To avonali: "This is up there with a legendary post from the Wexford lad who was 'tired and emotional 'after ' being defeated by Kilkenny in the Leinster championship. He was by his own admission drunk. But in a funny way, his post made more sense than this. I honestly haven't a clue what this post is saying." I understand what the poster is saying, basically that Dublin's win at all costs approach and the cynical way they closed out the game is going to be the death of Gaelic football, I think you could accuse lots of teams of that though, if Mayo had played that way when they were 2 points up near the finish Sam could well be in Mayo tonight.
not saying I agree with it but that's the gist of it I think.
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2746 - 26/09/2017 22:40:03
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