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Hopefully the whole commentary will be shown online.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - 22/09/2017 10:45:37    2049270

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I quite enjoyed the series, thought the lads were very respectful and complimentary of the sport in general.

Look forward to hearing their commentary when it's released next week ;)

Gleebo (Mayo) - 22/09/2017 11:42:35    2049286

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I think a one off one hour doc would have been better than 7 or 8 5-6 min episodes. that said, they did seem to take it all on board and as gleebo said were very respectful of the traditions of the gaa. looking forward to the final part on Monday..

waynoI (Dublin) - 22/09/2017 12:17:50    2049300

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Link to their commentary on O'Callaghan's goal, don't think they were expecting something so early, then again, who was? It happens a minute or two into this piece

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8hNwnEAG98

realdub (Dublin) - 22/09/2017 17:48:07    2049412

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Replying To waynoI:  "I think a one off one hour doc would have been better than 7 or 8 5-6 min episodes. that said, they did seem to take it all on board and as gleebo said were very respectful of the traditions of the gaa. looking forward to the final part on Monday.."
Wayno, I think the sponsor deliberately strung out short episodes over the summer to get more exposure. It got some great reaction on social media. Hopefully they can put some long episodes online next week including the commentary, mix all episodes and the outtakes!

GreenandRed (Mayo) - 23/09/2017 16:32:21    2049634

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Would be a good idea to get them back for the hurling final next year, now that really would blow their minds.

Unbelievable Jeff!

Gleebo (Mayo) - 23/09/2017 17:57:24    2049650

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The Final leg.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - 26/09/2017 17:26:04    2050737

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Enjoyed the episodes as they were interesting but have to say they weren't great at commentary,the only name they seem to mention was Andy Moran and there pronunciation was terrible of his surname, when you consider Kevin Moran of the same surname was a well known player for Manchester United seems a lack of effort. One thing not being able to pronounce the famous Kerry commentator but if Moran is too hard to get right they wouldn't be able to handle gaa on a permanent basis when they see some of the longer names.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - 26/09/2017 20:12:34    2050788

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "Enjoyed the episodes as they were interesting but have to say they weren't great at commentary,the only name they seem to mention was Andy Moran and there pronunciation was terrible of his surname, when you consider Kevin Moran of the same surname was a well known player for Manchester United seems a lack of effort. One thing not being able to pronounce the famous Kerry commentator but if Moran is too hard to get right they wouldn't be able to handle gaa on a permanent basis when they see some of the longer names."
Some people have different accents.

Different accents mean different sounds and emphasis.

Kevin Moran's surname was always pronounced differently by English people. Same for most names really.

Irish people do the same, we struggle with the 'th' sound for example.

Even in Ireland we have regional variants in pronouncing the same name. Packie Bonner was a great keeper but his name sounds way funnier when said by someone from Donegal!

MesAmis (Dublin) - 26/09/2017 20:20:21    2050791

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Replying To MesAmis:  "Some people have different accents.

Different accents mean different sounds and emphasis.

Kevin Moran's surname was always pronounced differently by English people. Same for most names really.

Irish people do the same, we struggle with the 'th' sound for example.

Even in Ireland we have regional variants in pronouncing the same name. Packie Bonner was a great keeper but his name sounds way funnier when said by someone from Donegal!"
Dont agree regarding moran its quite simple to say one way wherever your from, there's accents differ all over Ireland. They could never pronounce the snooker world champion from Dublin name either and one of the most obvious names they butcher in UK is Cahill, whats worse is none of these guys when interviewed pull them on it, you see spanish or italian names and they actually learn them proper where as a name like donnacha they absoultly make a hames of, for me it's just lack of effort and ignorance.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - 26/09/2017 20:52:05    2050801

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "Dont agree regarding moran its quite simple to say one way wherever your from, there's accents differ all over Ireland. They could never pronounce the snooker world champion from Dublin name either and one of the most obvious names they butcher in UK is Cahill, whats worse is none of these guys when interviewed pull them on it, you see spanish or italian names and they actually learn them proper where as a name like donnacha they absoultly make a hames of, for me it's just lack of effort and ignorance."
You think that they learn how to pronounce Spanish and Italian names because that's how you'd pronounce them too.

It sounds fine to you but not to an Italian or Spanish person as they'd notice a not dissimilar difference to the one we hear with certain names.

Same way English people will hear us pronouncing things slightly differently to them.

MesAmis (Dublin) - 26/09/2017 22:37:10    2050848

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "Dont agree regarding moran its quite simple to say one way wherever your from, there's accents differ all over Ireland. They could never pronounce the snooker world champion from Dublin name either and one of the most obvious names they butcher in UK is Cahill, whats worse is none of these guys when interviewed pull them on it, you see spanish or italian names and they actually learn them proper where as a name like donnacha they absoultly make a hames of, for me it's just lack of effort and ignorance."
If you got Marty Morrisey and John Mullane to commentate on a Premier League game you can be sure they would pronounce players names differently to English commentators. And that's a game they know and probably aware of the players, unlike Stelling and Kamars watching a game they knew nothing about and players they never heard of. If their pronunciation issues is all that bothers you then you're difficult to please.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - 26/09/2017 22:56:48    2050853

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Thirty three an a third say no more

Damothedub (Dublin) - 26/09/2017 23:02:39    2050855

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "If you got Marty Morrisey and John Mullane to commentate on a Premier League game you can be sure they would pronounce players names differently to English commentators. And that's a game they know and probably aware of the players, unlike Stelling and Kamars watching a game they knew nothing about and players they never heard of. If their pronunciation issues is all that bothers you then you're difficult to please."
But the thread is about having alternative commentators in the gaa, it's not about having Marty Morrissey and co doing soccer abroad.
if they done their homework on the semi final games as kamara suggested he had to have picked up moran name from the commentary on both matches then surely he should have got the pronunciation correct, I just don't think a commentary would work if the starting point of identifying a player to the viewers isn't properly done.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - 26/09/2017 23:19:23    2050860

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "But the thread is about having alternative commentators in the gaa, it's not about having Marty Morrissey and co doing soccer abroad.
if they done their homework on the semi final games as kamara suggested he had to have picked up moran name from the commentary on both matches then surely he should have got the pronunciation correct, I just don't think a commentary would work if the starting point of identifying a player to the viewers isn't properly done."
They did identify Andy Moran. They just pronounce his name differently. Some pronounce Keane like cane and some say it like keen. I think a lot of Irish people pronounce Mayo differently to how we pronounce it but I wouldn't be offended by that. Each to their own.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - 27/09/2017 09:02:01    2050911

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "But the thread is about having alternative commentators in the gaa, it's not about having Marty Morrissey and co doing soccer abroad.
if they done their homework on the semi final games as kamara suggested he had to have picked up moran name from the commentary on both matches then surely he should have got the pronunciation correct, I just don't think a commentary would work if the starting point of identifying a player to the viewers isn't properly done."
But to Kamara he is pronouncing it correctly. He speaks differently to you.

MesAmis (Dublin) - 27/09/2017 10:30:16    2050934

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Replying To hill16no1man:  "But the thread is about having alternative commentators in the gaa, it's not about having Marty Morrissey and co doing soccer abroad.
if they done their homework on the semi final games as kamara suggested he had to have picked up moran name from the commentary on both matches then surely he should have got the pronunciation correct, I just don't think a commentary would work if the starting point of identifying a player to the viewers isn't properly done."
To him the pronunciation is correct. Just like Ger Canning (and numerous other GAA commentators) believes Walsh is pronounced Welsh. Depending on where people are from they have different ways of pronouncing names.

GaaGaa78 (UK) - 27/09/2017 10:40:21    2050939

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Walsh
Devereux
Keane
Maher
Coughlan

Start with those ones.

m_the_d (None) - 27/09/2017 10:51:14    2050948

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "They did identify Andy Moran. They just pronounce his name differently. Some pronounce Keane like cane and some say it like keen. I think a lot of Irish people pronounce Mayo differently to how we pronounce it but I wouldn't be offended by that. Each to their own."
That's true greenandred, down here in Kerry we pronounce the name Maher the correct way which is Ma her and in tipp the say the name like Maaar .

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - 27/09/2017 12:25:45    2050974

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Replying To GaaGaa78:  "To him the pronunciation is correct. Just like Ger Canning (and numerous other GAA commentators) believes Walsh is pronounced Welsh. Depending on where people are from they have different ways of pronouncing names."
i agree on the walsh one it does my head in hearing them say welsh when the name clearly is walsh
theres no excuse for getting that one wrong as there is a word welsh but the name he is calling is clearly spelled walsh not hard to differenciate the two.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - 27/09/2017 17:07:12    2051084

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