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Anyone else getting tired of all this split Dublin into two Sh1 t they are the best team in the country but not unbeatable as shown in the league and Mayo should have bet them if they had better discipline and took their chances.
All these dominate teams come and go Kerry should come again with all the minor success so those that mean Kerry should be split in two aswel.

I do agree that the lesser teams are been cut off but that is not Dublins fault the GAA should be looking at strengthening the weaker teams so we can have 13 ior 14 fairly strong teams that produce competitive matches. Splitting Dublin in two will only mean that two teams from the capital will be hammering all the lesser teams which makes no sense either. Noone wants to grow wanting to play for fingal or the likes you want to play for your county the same way a lad from Leitrim or Roscommon would.

Tarismelting22 (Roscommon) - Posts: 760 - 20/09/2017 11:51:40    2048495

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Where else has 1.5 million people to draw from?"
London and New York :-)

dubdec99 (Dublin) - Posts: 180 - 20/09/2017 11:58:56    2048498

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Replying To Laois76:  "I really think the gaa should consider no substitutions and either 17 a side or the 21 a side prior to that. This would leave little space for Dublin's attack and also make the kickouts more difficult for Cluxton.

In the interest of equality in the game today. It would also be fairer on over weight people as they're would be less running in the game. And let's face it gaelic football has become a skinny fast man's game. Why should the 60% obese male population be excluded from county football?"
For the sake of the country I hope this is a joke :( sweet mother of god

Tarismelting22 (Roscommon) - Posts: 760 - 20/09/2017 12:25:42    2048518

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Where else has 1.5 million people to draw from?
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts:1353 - 20/09/2017 10:24:30

Nowhere, including Dublin.

If we're going to have a discussion don't be throwing an extra on top.
County Dublin population is around 1.34 million

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 20/09/2017 12:31:44    2048524

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Gaelic football was played for longer with 15 players and 3 subs than the current 15 and 6 subs.

This rule advantages 2 counties who will consistently have squad depth i.e. Dublin and Kerry

The rule should be changed back to what it was

centerfield (Mayo) - Posts: 360 - 20/09/2017 12:53:11    2048536

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I've argued this for a long time and its nothing to do with Dublin's success, I'm delighted for Dublin and love watching them.
In terms of over all balance increasing the amount of sub's to 5 then 6 had a huge impact on smaller counties. When counties like Carlow get down to sub 3 or 4 we are substantially weakening what we have on the field while a bigger county can maintain strenght

Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1593 - 20/09/2017 12:53:39    2048538

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Replying To Tarismelting22:  "For the sake of the country I hope this is a joke :( sweet mother of god"
For the sake of the country I hope this is a joke :( sweet mother of god
Tarismelting22 (Roscommon) - Posts:183 - 20/09/2017 12:25:42 2048518

'For the sake of the country'. Are you not being a little dramatic Tarismelting? An anoymous poster, on a GAA forum that is full of crap, posts a radical point and you speak about it like it's Brexit?

;)

Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 20/09/2017 12:54:45    2048539

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Replying To Tarismelting22:  "Anyone else getting tired of all this split Dublin into two Sh1 t they are the best team in the country but not unbeatable as shown in the league and Mayo should have bet them if they had better discipline and took their chances.
All these dominate teams come and go Kerry should come again with all the minor success so those that mean Kerry should be split in two aswel.

I do agree that the lesser teams are been cut off but that is not Dublins fault the GAA should be looking at strengthening the weaker teams so we can have 13 ior 14 fairly strong teams that produce competitive matches. Splitting Dublin in two will only mean that two teams from the capital will be hammering all the lesser teams which makes no sense either. Noone wants to grow wanting to play for fingal or the likes you want to play for your county the same way a lad from Leitrim or Roscommon would."
Yes I am anyway!
In Dublin's 4 wins in the last 5 years they've won by an average of 1.5 points. They're the greatest team of all time- in close games. They're winners, but it's a fine line and they could have easily lost them finals.
People used to say KK's 2nd team was the best in the country which was absolute rubbish too. Dublin aren't miles ahead of everyone. If Dublin is split then we need to split Kerry and Mayo as well. Either that or start joining the likes of Kildare and Meath!
O'Rourke in particular looks pretty silly from this whole debate!

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 20/09/2017 13:08:16    2048545

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Replying To centerfield:  "allowing teams to have 6 subs clearly plays into the hands of the Dubs.
If the GAA want to have a championship that is more competitive they need to revert back to the 3 sub rule.

There is no reason why players shouldn't be able to go for 70 min given the fitness levels nowadays.

i don't see any county outside of Dublin and Kerry ever producing more than 18 players of the required standard

if you had only 3 subs you would have to hold one in reserve till late in the game

The Dubs are using the subs system almost like a semi interchange system and burning teams off with their subs late in the game"
This is a list of guys that have been around the panel for a year or 2 surely we can get 6 subs and 1 or 2 starters out of them

Eoin O'Donoghue, Donal Newcombe, Caolan Crowe Serooise Akram, Seamus Cunnife, Michael Hall, Michael Plunkett, Conor Loftus Stephen Coen Shane Nally Conor Loftus Mathew Ruane, Danny Kirby Adam Gallagher, Feargal Boland and Briam Reape Playing. Each of these guys need 2/3 FBD games and at a minimum 3 league games. Obviously not all at the same time but they all need serious game time and work put into them

A lot of these guys have one minor and U21 finals and the remainder in the most part have played in Minor finals

Counties need to develop there panels - 6 subs is here to stay with pace and physicality of the modern game. That is why 6 substitutions are available its not to benfit Dublin, its just that they have developed a huge panel.

belmay (Mayo) - Posts: 172 - 20/09/2017 13:26:38    2048550

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Replying To keithlemon:  "I was referring to your original post in regards generalizations:
"Dublin have the advantage of their players not having to travel 2 or 3 hours three times a week for a place on the bench. This allows them to keep their best 24/25 players on the county setup. A luxury no other county enjoys."

I agree with you in that the commitment necessary, be it time away from home, training required or in this case travel times can all be a factor in lads being able to make it at the top level. But that doesn't mean the same factors don't effect Dublin players either."
I think you missing the point

We recognise that the Dublin players have given huge commitment and as a result are top of the pile. But other counties are giving the same commitment plus much longer travel times doing 300 mile round trips for instance on training days

belmay (Mayo) - Posts: 172 - 20/09/2017 13:42:08    2048562

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Replying To belmay:  "I think you missing the point

We recognise that the Dublin players have given huge commitment and as a result are top of the pile. But other counties are giving the same commitment plus much longer travel times doing 300 mile round trips for instance on training days"
So that's why Donegal won in 2012 and Kerry in 2014. And previous non-Dublin winners too maybe? Their players must have travelled less to training in those years. Simple fix so. Put all the Dublin players on a return trip to Athlone before and after each training session. That's surely the way to go. Stop them progressing so the rest can catch up rather than the rest progressively bringing themselves up to that level.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7344 - 20/09/2017 14:00:39    2048570

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "So that's why Donegal won in 2012 and Kerry in 2014. And previous non-Dublin winners too maybe? Their players must have travelled less to training in those years. Simple fix so. Put all the Dublin players on a return trip to Athlone before and after each training session. That's surely the way to go. Stop them progressing so the rest can catch up rather than the rest progressively bringing themselves up to that level."
If you are a student of the game you will be aware that Kerry have very few Dublin based players not sure about Donegal

belmay (Mayo) - Posts: 172 - 20/09/2017 14:31:21    2048580

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "So that's why Donegal won in 2012 and Kerry in 2014. And previous non-Dublin winners too maybe? Their players must have travelled less to training in those years. Simple fix so. Put all the Dublin players on a return trip to Athlone before and after each training session. That's surely the way to go. Stop them progressing so the rest can catch up rather than the rest progressively bringing themselves up to that level."
If you are a student of the game you will be aware that Kerry have very few Dublin based players not sure about Donegal

belmay (Mayo) - Posts: 172 - 20/09/2017 14:31:33    2048581

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Replying To belmay:  "If you are a student of the game you will be aware that Kerry have very few Dublin based players not sure about Donegal"
Kerry have some fringe players living in Dublin, but not sure how far other players have to travel to training or what their situation was like in 2014. Don't know if Donegal players had far to travel to training in 2012, either from Dublin or elsewhere. We have 4 of last Sundays starting 15 living in Dublin, not including students. The great Kerry team, which I saw in '81, had Dublin-based players trained by Micheal O Muircheartaigh. In 2014 in Limerick was it less miles to training that got Kerry over the line in Limerick? No mention before 2011 about Dubs having very little time wasted going to an from training. Had we won last Sunday no-one at all would be talking about a 3 sub limit, how far Dublin players travel to training compared to others, splitting Dublin in 2 etc. Belmay, if we're good enough to win the All Ireland we will do it and not make excuses when we don't.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7344 - 20/09/2017 16:27:53    2048640

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Where else has 1.5 million people to draw from?"
Are you including my Auntie Bridie in that 1.5 million? She's really not very good , albeit an option if required.

poguemahone (Dublin) - Posts: 365 - 20/09/2017 16:31:30    2048643

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Replying To Soma:  "It isn't unique to Dublin, some Ulster teams were convinced the black card was brought in to stop them being successful. Since its introduction Dublin have done a 3-in-a-row but it would be a foolish person who would say it is thanks to the black card. Limiting the number of subs to 3 would have some positives and some negatives and should be considered. Dublin fans saying it would have most effect on them means the current 6 sub rule is most beneficial to them. When the number of subs allowed was increased it clearly then must have made the championship more unbalanced in favour of the stronger counties and that can not be a good thing."
Was the Black card not brought in cos' SC hauled down a Monaghan player? Cannot compare trying to eradicate foul play/synical fouls with an idea (or several ideas) that folk are motioning specifically to stop Dublin being successful. This discussion and other ideas have been clear that their point is to try lessen Dublin as a team. No one called for a black card with the reason being to lessen Ulster teams. Even suggesting Ulster teams are not winning AIs cos they fear the black card is a strange one too. Suppose it must effect Cork, Meath, Galway and indeed Mayo too in that case.

poguemahone (Dublin) - Posts: 365 - 20/09/2017 16:43:03    2048648

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Replying To poguemahone:  "Are you including my Auntie Bridie in that 1.5 million? She's really not very good , albeit an option if required."
I've seen your Auntie Bridie play Poguemahone. Pretty nifty lady!

Laois76 (Laois) - Posts: 1270 - 20/09/2017 18:56:45    2048707

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I like the interchange idea. Imagine if Mayo were able to swap Boyle and Moran in and out as required rather than having to take them off at 55 minutes. It could prolong the career of certain players which would surely help the teams with smaller panels.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 20/09/2017 19:16:20    2048720

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Replying To poguemahone:  "Was the Black card not brought in cos' SC hauled down a Monaghan player? Cannot compare trying to eradicate foul play/synical fouls with an idea (or several ideas) that folk are motioning specifically to stop Dublin being successful. This discussion and other ideas have been clear that their point is to try lessen Dublin as a team. No one called for a black card with the reason being to lessen Ulster teams. Even suggesting Ulster teams are not winning AIs cos they fear the black card is a strange one too. Suppose it must effect Cork, Meath, Galway and indeed Mayo too in that case."
No it wasn't, it was voted in before Cavanaghs tackle. The idea of the card was to improve the sport and the same is true of why a change in the subs rule should be considered. It is not to stop Dublin being successful, it is to reduce some of the advantages teams with a bigger number of players to choose from have and make it a more level playing field. This rule would apply to junior club sides as much as the best intercounty teams. I have seen clubs not able to field a 2nd team because 23 or 24 lads have made an appearance for the 1st team in championship, often for only a few minutes. A change in the rule would be as helpful at club level as intercounty level.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 20/09/2017 19:32:14    2048735

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Replying To poguemahone:  "Was the Black card not brought in cos' SC hauled down a Monaghan player? Cannot compare trying to eradicate foul play/synical fouls with an idea (or several ideas) that folk are motioning specifically to stop Dublin being successful. This discussion and other ideas have been clear that their point is to try lessen Dublin as a team. No one called for a black card with the reason being to lessen Ulster teams. Even suggesting Ulster teams are not winning AIs cos they fear the black card is a strange one too. Suppose it must effect Cork, Meath, Galway and indeed Mayo too in that case."
Sorry for being pedantic but the black card was already ratified when Cavanagh committed that foul.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 20/09/2017 19:33:20    2048737

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